Need some bike cleaning help.

jeffro503
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I picked up a used 2005 KX 125 project bike that needs a lot ( I mean a lot! ) of help. The first thing I need to do is get this sucker cleaned up good enough so I can actually see what the hell I'm looking at. I plan on dumping a little coin into it ( just not for a while yet ) so I can at least get it out on to the track and test her out.

But for now.....I have chain lube and exhaust build up that is extremely nasty! It's embedded into the pours of the cast aluminum , like the cylinder , head , Brake calipers (.....oh who am I kidding , basically every single metal part on the bike! What can I use to help "pull " some of this grimy stuff out of the metal? Simple green seems to of gotten rid of the build up....bu it really isn't doing anything for the baked in areas?

What do you guys use for stuff like this?

BTW....did I mention she is a project bike? Diamond in the rough under all that ugly though! Looks like shit.....but she is still tight on all the bearings , motor and tranny still really good. Still has the stock chain and sprockets as well. No bolt ( except for the seat bolts ) have ever been touched on this thing........just looks terrible!




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2/25/2014 1:31pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2014 1:40pm
Baking soda blasting. If that doesn't work for everything than maybe try ultrasonic cleaning. For the baking soda blasting there is a ton of info online on how to set up your own system. Basically just need the soda, a compressor, and an air gun. Not much else to it. Also you could try some aluminum wheel cleaner or some degreaser. Be careful about any cleaner with acid as it could stain the aluminum.
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2/25/2014 2:08pm
Scotch bright and SOS pad on the motor with soap and water. This is about the easiest approach but is time consuming. Did the same thing last year, lots and lots of time but overall its worth it in the end. Good luck!
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2/25/2014 2:15pm
Try a scotch pad with simple green or some engine degrease it'll help get that coat off but in the end it'll be a ton of elbow grease and time.
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2/25/2014 2:22pm
So what do you guys use to help "prevent " the stuff soaking into the metal in the first place? A good coat of WD40? That's what I've used on all my bikes and it seems to really work. But this bike doesn't seem like it ever had that done. And they just let the baked on oil and so forth bake on there for years.

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I have used WD40 and cooking oil but what I found that work is a coat of car engine shiner, creates a good lasting coat. You can get it at Advanced Auto.
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2/25/2014 2:35pm
Wow that thing needs some TLC! But great pick up and nothing like a project bike that comes out just as you envisioned it.

Blasting everything you can would be a good start but I don't know what to use to keep it from building up that way.

Like Brap said, try the engine shiner. I may have to give that a go as well.

While I wash my bike I use scotch bright pads on pretty much everything I can to help get some of that stuff off. I always wash my bike with my tank and sub-frame off which helps get into areas that aren't so easy with that stuff on.
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I've found a cleaner that I will not be without for bikes like that. It's called DuraGloss and I get it at my local hardware store. It's an acid used for cleaning aluminum 18 wheeler beds. It works great on cutting stuff like that but you'll still need a stiff bristled brush and a scotchbrite pad. WARNING: start with it mixed 50/50 with water. It's an acid. I will cause any unfinished steel to rust and most finished items to oxidize if you use it straight or leave it on long. I've used it on a 2006 KX250f with great success. Just make sure you rinse it well and often, then wash again with simplegreen after.
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2/25/2014 2:46pm
How the fuck do people let their bikes get so bad?!?!
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This is what I use, I just spray my engine and all the parts that are prone for stains and as far as my Works pipe goes I use a scotch pad after every few rides and vegetable oil as a barrier from rust.

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2/25/2014 2:58pm
Crush wrote:
How the fuck do people let their bikes get so bad?!?!
I am not sure Crush. With this bike at first glance....I almost told the guy "No way " just on the basis of what it looked like. But I didn't , and actually took a good 20-30 mins and checked out every nut , bolt , bearing , spokes and so forth on her before I started to make my offer. I made a 4hr round trip to look at this bike mainly for the price he was asking ( and I knew I could knock him down more ). It looked like shit on the outside.....but what I liked was , there was hardly any frame wear , no bolts were stripped ( or even touched ) and the dang thing still has the stock chain and sprockets. The sprockets are actually still in good shape.....which told me the bike really didn't have much time on it.

And for what I planned on wanting to do.....all the shitty cosmetic / looks of the thing didn't matter....because I planned on going through the entire thing from top to bottom. Going to be a completely different bike when I'm done.
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2/25/2014 3:02pm
So.....with using a scotch bright pad.....what should I use as a cleaner along side the scotch bright pad?

Rallendude : That stuff is something I may try if I can't get a few other things to work first. Sounds like a little nasty to work with and so forth.

And Brap and you other guys.....thanks for the info on the engine protector and shine. I will give that stuff a try once I get her cleaned up.
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Yeah you can see there are reasons to do it if that is the bike you were after... I just don't get how people ride a bike over and over without ever cleaning it up.

Dirty bikes are harder to see what's wrong with, and without ever cleaning it and looking close up, how do you know if everything is good?!?

Having said that, i've seen clean bikes with spokes so loose the nipples aren't actually screwed into the rim so who knows.
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2/25/2014 3:11pm
Check out my thread in the Race Shop, There's a ton of info in the giant text blob in it.
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2/25/2014 3:14pm
A small pump sprayer with simple green and really hot water works well too.
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Crush wrote:
Yeah you can see there are reasons to do it if that is the bike you were after... I just don't get how people ride a...
Yeah you can see there are reasons to do it if that is the bike you were after... I just don't get how people ride a bike over and over without ever cleaning it up.

Dirty bikes are harder to see what's wrong with, and without ever cleaning it and looking close up, how do you know if everything is good?!?

Having said that, i've seen clean bikes with spokes so loose the nipples aren't actually screwed into the rim so who knows.
Believe me man....I know!

This thing ( since it's never been worked on a day in it's life ).......was probably sold brand new to some kid that road in a field. It then got sold to some yahho , who terrorized camp sites and logging roads. It still has really , really good compression on the motor and the tranny shifts smooth. But I'm tearing her down to replace the broken case , inspect he crank and top end before I even ride it. I'll do a little riding on her to test her out.....then she's getting torn down to the bare frame for about a 3 - 4 month total rebuild on every single nut and bolt that needs it. The motor should be a ripper too once I get it back from Gorr.
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2/25/2014 3:27pm
Brake cleaner and a stiff brush then maybe soda blast after. I've used WD40 on vintage bike with 40 year old crust on them.
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2/25/2014 3:30pm
Now I'm not saying you have to do this but you should Wink
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Brap wrote:
Now I'm not saying you have to do this but you should ;) [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/10224/s1600_003020808newera.jpg?1294265137[/img]
Now I'm not saying you have to do this but you should Wink
Agreed!!!
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Get rid of that black stuff and get some flo green plastics!
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Crush wrote:
Get rid of that black stuff and get some flo green plastics!
I'm gonna assume he pealed all the Metal Mulisha stickers off before he took the pictures haha!
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2/25/2014 3:48pm
I've done a few restores over the years-

General Cleaning - Nothing beats Totally Awesome from the Dollar Store. Clear bottle yellow liquid. Same chemical makeup as high end Malco cleaner.

For the aluminum get some acid like Napa Aluminum brightener but keep it away from steel.

Soda blasting is the best for the deep ingrained stains. Go to Harbour Freight and pick up a 50-100 bag of the heavy grain soda and a cheap hand held blast bottle. Or you can spring for a higher end one but for one bike it's probably not worth it.

Have fun it's always more cool to pick up a project and redo than buy one already done, IMO. I just did it with a '97 CR125..........
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2/25/2014 4:32pm
Brap wrote:
Now I'm not saying you have to do this but you should ;) [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/10224/s1600_003020808newera.jpg?1294265137[/img]
Now I'm not saying you have to do this but you should Wink
Crush wrote:
Agreed!!!
Well sorry guys.....I'm not going that route....even though that is a bad ass Stewie bike!

I'm looking at something kind of like this look. Only being with the flo green plastics , Red anodized parts , with black powder coated Frame and so forth. Want something a little unique and a little different from others with my own custom graphics and so forth.
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Tracktor wrote:
I've done a few restores over the years- General Cleaning - Nothing beats Totally Awesome from the Dollar Store. Clear bottle yellow liquid. Same chemical makeup...
I've done a few restores over the years-

General Cleaning - Nothing beats Totally Awesome from the Dollar Store. Clear bottle yellow liquid. Same chemical makeup as high end Malco cleaner.

For the aluminum get some acid like Napa Aluminum brightener but keep it away from steel.

Soda blasting is the best for the deep ingrained stains. Go to Harbour Freight and pick up a 50-100 bag of the heavy grain soda and a cheap hand held blast bottle. Or you can spring for a higher end one but for one bike it's probably not worth it.

Have fun it's always more cool to pick up a project and redo than buy one already done, IMO. I just did it with a '97 CR125..........
Thanks Tractor! I don't live that far away from a dollar store....will swing by and pick some of that stuff up!
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Damn it....i forgot to post the other pic!!

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2/25/2014 4:40pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2014 4:41pm
Cleaners like Totally Awesome, White Lightning, Purple Power and Super Clean have a very high Ph and will strip anodize. I never use them because they can ruin your bike if you aren't careful. Same goes with the acid based cleaners

I would start a deep clean by soaking all the greasy grunge with WD40 and use a tooth brush to get it all loosened up. Then soak the bike in Shout, which has a neutral Ph, and use a larger soft plastic bristle to work on the dirt stains before hosing it off with water. At this point you will have a clean bike and be down to the permanent stains in the cast aluminum and metal surfaces, which will require more Shout and scotchbrite.
2/25/2014 4:46pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2014 4:48pm
A match and gasoline will clean it correctly. Next time don't buy a chick bike

I've been using Shout on my bikes. I heard CamP rave about it years ago and it works great...and I wash all my gear with it too.
2/25/2014 4:50pm
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Cleaners like Totally Awesome, White Lightning, Purple Power and Super Clean have a very high Ph and will strip anodize. I never use them because they...
Cleaners like Totally Awesome, White Lightning, Purple Power and Super Clean have a very high Ph and will strip anodize. I never use them because they can ruin your bike if you aren't careful. Same goes with the acid based cleaners

I would start a deep clean by soaking all the greasy grunge with WD40 and use a tooth brush to get it all loosened up. Then soak the bike in Shout, which has a neutral Ph, and use a larger soft plastic bristle to work on the dirt stains before hosing it off with water. At this point you will have a clean bike and be down to the permanent stains in the cast aluminum and metal surfaces, which will require more Shout and scotchbrite.
Exactly what I do thanks to you. Shout works great.
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Exactly what I do thanks to you. Shout works great.
Glad to help. A friend turned me on to Shout about 10 years ago and I retired all the other cleaners that actually make your bike look worse over time.
2/25/2014 5:05pm
I think Newmann recommends going over bikes vigorously with a wire brush.

Wink

Nah, just kidding.
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Jeffro, this ought to be a pretty sweet re-build. Looking forward to seeing it unfold so be sure to keep us posted with lots of pics.

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