Does everyone who wins use drugs ?

Nicknku wrote:

EPO helps raise hematocrit levels which will help increase endurance, steroids and HGH will help with recovery so athletes can train harder for longer more frequently.

Nicknku wrote:

EPO helps raise hematocrit levels which will help increase endurance, steroids and HGH will help with recovery so athletes can train harder for longer more frequently.

Socket946 wrote:

There is a point of diminishing returns with EPO, Tyler Hamliton had said EPO was GREAT if you had a low natural Hematocrit level, and doped...

There is a point of diminishing returns with EPO, Tyler Hamliton had said EPO was GREAT if you had a low natural Hematocrit level, and doped into the 50's-60's...Anything more, and the body didn't do anything with the extra.

A normal person is in the 30's if I remember correctly.

slipdog wrote:

A 2oz shot of Propylene Oxide will super oxygenate your fuel system and give you unbelievable power.

yz414 wrote:

say perhaps to drugs

ForToo wrote:

I would be willing to bet, however, that many riders use supplements that improve focus and concentration. Nootropics come to mind, I have been using one...

I would be willing to bet, however, that many riders use supplements that improve focus and concentration. Nootropics come to mind, I have been using one (phenylpiracetam) that definitely helps me focus/concentrate when I need a brain boost. I certainly would use it for racing, especially at the level these guys ride at.

Piston Slap wrote:

Amphetamines? Caffine? Stimulants?

Blood oxygenators........

vanillaice782 wrote:

This witch hunt has reached a new level of retardation. Blood oxygenators? Did you google performance enhancing drugs and include the first thing that came up...

This witch hunt has reached a new level of retardation. Blood oxygenators? Did you google performance enhancing drugs and include the first thing that came up to make your list longer? I googled too because I have never heard of a blood oxygenator. It's a total scam. There is no pill you can take that is going to oxygenate your blood better and somehow translates into faster lap times. Read on Blood oxygenators

One time I did hear Eli Tomac mention that he was going to drink some coffee before his main event. They should have tested him for lethal levels of performance enhancing caffeine!!!

slipdog wrote:

A 2oz shot of Propylene Oxide will super oxygenate your fuel system and give you unbelievable power.

vanillaice782 wrote:

Crack will too.

corsair wrote:

You could give Allessi every PED you could think of, and he's not going to finish any better. I think PEDs in motocross are a red...

You could give Allessi every PED you could think of, and he's not going to finish any better. I think PEDs in motocross are a red herring. To much depends on outright talent. I personally do not care who does or does not use what, I don't believe it makes enough of a material difference either way.

I expect plenty of disagreement with that, but it is how I see it.

SMITH201 wrote:

Anyone who thinks PEDs are not being used in MX is kidding themselves. To ride at this level and fight through the injuries week in ans...

Anyone who thinks PEDs are not being used in MX is kidding themselves. To ride at this level and fight through the injuries week in ans week out, you need "help". Im sure Blood doping is being done, especially for outdoors. A few years ago Pingree himself stated in one of his articles in RacerX regarding PEDs, that people would shocked at what he has seen in the RV refrigerators of some of the top riders. Well, HGH is kept refrigerated. HGH needs to be taken almost daily and greatly helps in recovery from muscle stress and injuries. If you are a top rider, or even a rider pushing for results to keep good rides, then you will do anything it takes to stay out there, keep getting results, and win championships. Its happening in EVERY sport. Most know how to beat the random testing, but then you gotta worry about the finger pointers and people singing like a canary to ease their own punishment. Just like A-Rod now. He never failed a test. Neither did Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, etc. I watched Mike and Mike in the morning on ESPN not too long ago and Mike Golic himself admitted he took HGH as a player. He was injured during training camp and had to do something to keep playing and keep his spot on the roster, so he took HGH.

When its all you know and its your lively hood, then you will do whatever it takes.

500guy wrote:

So you got proof or you just think ? You telling me all these years no disgruntled Girl friend, trainer or friend hasn't stepped up and...

So you got proof or you just think ?

You telling me all these years no disgruntled Girl friend, trainer or friend hasn't stepped up and offered one shred of proof ?

Bauer thinks there is a flying Spaghetti monster , I've never seen it.

slipdog wrote:

A 2oz shot of Propylene Oxide will super oxygenate your fuel system and give you unbelievable power.

slipdog wrote:

A 2oz shot of Propylene Oxide will super oxygenate your fuel system and give you unbelievable power.

TheNewOriginal wrote:

By "shot" do you mean like a "shot" glass, or a syringe? I have some Polly from our drag boat racing days. Do you think it...

By "shot" do you mean like a "shot" glass, or a syringe? I have some Polly from our drag boat racing days. Do you think it will still be effective after being stored for 15+ years? Can you mix it with something to make it taste better? Thanks in advance.

SMITH201 wrote:

Anyone who thinks PEDs are not being used in MX is kidding themselves. To ride at this level and fight through the injuries week in ans...

Anyone who thinks PEDs are not being used in MX is kidding themselves. To ride at this level and fight through the injuries week in ans week out, you need "help". Im sure Blood doping is being done, especially for outdoors. A few years ago Pingree himself stated in one of his articles in RacerX regarding PEDs, that people would shocked at what he has seen in the RV refrigerators of some of the top riders. Well, HGH is kept refrigerated. HGH needs to be taken almost daily and greatly helps in recovery from muscle stress and injuries. If you are a top rider, or even a rider pushing for results to keep good rides, then you will do anything it takes to stay out there, keep getting results, and win championships. Its happening in EVERY sport. Most know how to beat the random testing, but then you gotta worry about the finger pointers and people singing like a canary to ease their own punishment. Just like A-Rod now. He never failed a test. Neither did Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, etc. I watched Mike and Mike in the morning on ESPN not too long ago and Mike Golic himself admitted he took HGH as a player. He was injured during training camp and had to do something to keep playing and keep his spot on the roster, so he took HGH.

When its all you know and its your lively hood, then you will do whatever it takes.

500guy wrote:

So you got proof or you just think ? You telling me all these years no disgruntled Girl friend, trainer or friend hasn't stepped up and...

So you got proof or you just think ?

You telling me all these years no disgruntled Girl friend, trainer or friend hasn't stepped up and offered one shred of proof ?

Bauer thinks there is a flying Spaghetti monster , I've never seen it.

ForToo wrote:

I would be willing to bet, however, that many riders use supplements that improve focus and concentration. Nootropics come to mind, I have been using one...

I would be willing to bet, however, that many riders use supplements that improve focus and concentration. Nootropics come to mind, I have been using one (phenylpiracetam) that definitely helps me focus/concentrate when I need a brain boost. I certainly would use it for racing, especially at the level these guys ride at.

Sandberm wrote:

So where do you buy that stuff ? It appears to be some Iron Curtain designed stuff. Caffeine without the jitters. And how do you trust...

So where do you buy that stuff ? It appears to be some Iron Curtain designed stuff. Caffeine without the jitters.

And how do you trust what you are getting wont kill you/screw you up?

SMITH201 wrote:

Anyone who thinks PEDs are not being used in MX is kidding themselves. To ride at this level and fight through the injuries week in ans...

Anyone who thinks PEDs are not being used in MX is kidding themselves. To ride at this level and fight through the injuries week in ans week out, you need "help". Im sure Blood doping is being done, especially for outdoors. A few years ago Pingree himself stated in one of his articles in RacerX regarding PEDs, that people would shocked at what he has seen in the RV refrigerators of some of the top riders. Well, HGH is kept refrigerated. HGH needs to be taken almost daily and greatly helps in recovery from muscle stress and injuries. If you are a top rider, or even a rider pushing for results to keep good rides, then you will do anything it takes to stay out there, keep getting results, and win championships. Its happening in EVERY sport. Most know how to beat the random testing, but then you gotta worry about the finger pointers and people singing like a canary to ease their own punishment. Just like A-Rod now. He never failed a test. Neither did Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, etc. I watched Mike and Mike in the morning on ESPN not too long ago and Mike Golic himself admitted he took HGH as a player. He was injured during training camp and had to do something to keep playing and keep his spot on the roster, so he took HGH.

When its all you know and its your lively hood, then you will do whatever it takes.

500guy wrote:

So you got proof or you just think ? You telling me all these years no disgruntled Girl friend, trainer or friend hasn't stepped up and...

So you got proof or you just think ?

You telling me all these years no disgruntled Girl friend, trainer or friend hasn't stepped up and offered one shred of proof ?

Bauer thinks there is a flying Spaghetti monster , I've never seen it.

BobbyM wrote:

Do you really need peds with 15 minute mains?

vanillaice782 wrote:

Crack will too.

Piston Slap wrote:

You an expert on crack use? Chill out on the internet policing and "blood oxygenators" Francis. You got your information from the "Livestrong" website? That's really...

You an expert on crack use?

Chill out on the internet policing and "blood oxygenators" Francis.

You got your information from the "Livestrong" website? That's really a reputable source......

I misspoke, sorry.........I actually meant this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin

"the primary reason athletes may use ESAs is to improve oxygen delivery to muscles, which directly improves their endurance capacity."

It's a long way from what I said, I agree, but the idea is the same .

PS

BobbyM wrote:

Do you really need peds with 15 minute mains?

vanillaice782 wrote:

Crack will too.

Piston Slap wrote:

You an expert on crack use? Chill out on the internet policing and "blood oxygenators" Francis. You got your information from the "Livestrong" website? That's really...

You an expert on crack use?

Chill out on the internet policing and "blood oxygenators" Francis.

You got your information from the "Livestrong" website? That's really a reputable source......

I misspoke, sorry.........I actually meant this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin

"the primary reason athletes may use ESAs is to improve oxygen delivery to muscles, which directly improves their endurance capacity."

It's a long way from what I said, I agree, but the idea is the same .

PS

vanillaice782 wrote:

Well next time RV takes his shirt off we will all just have to look for track marks because if he has been blood doping since...

Well next time RV takes his shirt off we will all just have to look for track marks because if he has been blood doping since he started training with Aldon I bet he would have a lot of scars from all those needles and syringes.

jstein639 wrote:

There's a lot of PEDs on the market that aren't needle related. I think the people most likely to take PEDs would be the guys on...

There's a lot of PEDs on the market that aren't needle related. I think the people most likely to take PEDs would be the guys on the bubble of getting on a team/ making a living. In baseball all we heard about was the few star players taking them, but the majority were journeyman players looking to make it and get a decent contract for themselves. I don't think it's rampant in moto at all, but I think that it's silly to think no one has tried it.

jstein639 wrote:

There's a lot of PEDs on the market that aren't needle related. I think the people most likely to take PEDs would be the guys on...

There's a lot of PEDs on the market that aren't needle related. I think the people most likely to take PEDs would be the guys on the bubble of getting on a team/ making a living. In baseball all we heard about was the few star players taking them, but the majority were journeyman players looking to make it and get a decent contract for themselves. I don't think it's rampant in moto at all, but I think that it's silly to think no one has tried it.

vanillaice782 wrote:

But I thought they were blood doping and taking hgh? That's all I keep reading about. If anyone is doing any of this they are going...

But I thought they were blood doping and taking hgh? That's all I keep reading about. If anyone is doing any of this they are going to be doing it right by injecting it right in. If RV is doing it he should have track marks. Granted you can find veins almost anywhere but if he loads up with virgin blood before racing the nationals he should have a pretty decent amount of scarring after all the years that he has been winning.

Ever heard of the first pass effect? If you take illegal "PEDs" orally the vast majority of them are going to be absorbed by the GI system and won't help you too much. If you are going to cheat like that and want to get anything out of it you will inject it right in. They could be taking hormones and all that junk that they sell at supplement stores but that is all perfectly legal.