Reeds wins prove Works Honda's are poor?

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Honda guys can't buy a start and bikes seem to handle poorly. Reeds wins on the KX seem to prove he was correct about his bike last year? They don't have a veteran rider to help set up the bike either.
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Barcia won on that bike last year and Canard came really close to winning as well.
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Are you retarded by choice or...?
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Frog #1 2/2/2014 12:32pm
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Ask Reed!
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No it proves reed as a rider is more comfortable on a kawi . Everyone says the yamaha is crap but braytons hauling ass on it .

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newmann 2/2/2014 12:37pm
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Of course, Reed did good on his Honda after trying to get that POS Kawi to handle by filling the frame with cement and putting magic rocks on the seat. Kawi was so bad he went and bought his own Honda's.
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kiwifan 2/2/2014 12:45pm
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No, sure he didnt get on (allegedly) with the Honda chassis in 2013...but there were several reasons why 2014 is better than 2013...

1. for 2013 he did VERY little off season testing due to his injuries
2. for 2013 he did VERY little off season training due to his injuries
3. he was definately ill during most of 2013, that impacted his riding ability
4. for 2014 he was healthy pre season and did a lot of testing and setup
5. he didnt get on with the 2013 Honda (due to 1, 2 and 3 above?)
6. he is comfortable on the 2014 Kawasaki

It is NO surprise at ALL that 2014 is a better year but just because the Honda didnt suit him and the Kawasaki doesnt does NOT mean the Honda is a POS

Of course if he was on a KTM he would be leading the points, but I disgress :-)
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mxpappy711 2/2/2014 12:47pm
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Reed hated the Kaw a few years ago. I know it is different now, but not that much different. RV won on the old one. Set up is more important I think.
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Frog #1 wrote:
Honda guys can't buy a start and bikes seem to handle poorly. Reeds wins on the KX seem to prove he was correct about his bike...
Honda guys can't buy a start and bikes seem to handle poorly. Reeds wins on the KX seem to prove he was correct about his bike last year? They don't have a veteran rider to help set up the bike either.
I don't this it means squat. Reed didn't like the bike and he likes the KX....that simple.
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A honda should get a win before the season is over.
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JonnyDH84 wrote:
No it proves reed as a rider is more comfortable on a kawi . Everyone says the yamaha is crap but braytons hauling ass on it...
No it proves reed as a rider is more comfortable on a kawi . Everyone says the yamaha is crap but braytons hauling ass on it .
I haven't heard anyone complain about the new Yamaha.

I think it was David Bailey who said he thought it would take Yamaha a few years to get it as good as the other bikes, seems like they did.

Chad is just more comfortable on the Kawasaki than the Honda. That is ok, there is probably a lot of top guys that prefer one bike or the other.
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Frog #1 wrote:
Ask Reed!
Reed was heavily distracted last year and not in shape....... AND YOU THINK HE COULD COMPETE WITH A VILLO?

Reed brought his "A" game this year
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What someone else hates, someone else might love and vice versa.
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munsch121 wrote:
I don't this it means squat. Reed didn't like the bike and he likes the KX....that simple.
Exactly! Being comfortable on your bike through setup is as important as raw speed and fitness these days.
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newmann 2/2/2014 2:16pm
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Sometimes, being happy with your contract makes you faster than being happy with your bike. Not saying Reed ever fell into that category.....
scrubbin627 2/2/2014 2:39pm
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It proves Reed didn't like the '13 works Honda. Doesn't mean its poor just didn't suit him
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scrubbin627 wrote:
It proves Reed didn't like the '13 works Honda. Doesn't mean its poor just didn't suit him
Barcia won 2 races on the bike as a rookie. Chad admitted to being sick and not in shape. That had to have affected his results more than his choice of bike. That being said, I bet Chad would have preferred his Kawi this year, over his Honda, no matter what kind of shape he's in.
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scrubbin627 wrote:
It proves Reed didn't like the '13 works Honda. Doesn't mean its poor just didn't suit him
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Barcia won 2 races on the bike as a rookie. Chad admitted to being sick and not in shape. That had to have affected his results...
Barcia won 2 races on the bike as a rookie. Chad admitted to being sick and not in shape. That had to have affected his results more than his choice of bike. That being said, I bet Chad would have preferred his Kawi this year, over his Honda, no matter what kind of shape he's in.
Good point, although because he is healthy this season he could of setup the Honda to suit him....we will never know

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IMO Reed has never looked as solid in the whoops as he does this year! the only bike that ever came close to this years bike was when he was on the Suzuki.
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All of Team Honda (450's) has had sub-par results for years now. A few wins here and there, but nothing like the "Good ol' Days".
Dunno what is really behind that? Bad luck, injuries, bike issues, poor Corporate decisions?
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wait i thought he retired?
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str8shooter wrote:
IMO Reed has never looked as solid in the whoops as he does this year! the only bike that ever came close to this years bike...
IMO Reed has never looked as solid in the whoops as he does this year! the only bike that ever came close to this years bike was when he was on the Suzuki.
No way Bro. 03-04 YZ250... He destroyed whoops on that thing!

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kiwifan 2/2/2014 6:02pm
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Bineano wrote:
All of Team Honda (450's) has had sub-par results for years now. A few wins here and there, but nothing like the "Good ol' Days". Dunno...
All of Team Honda (450's) has had sub-par results for years now. A few wins here and there, but nothing like the "Good ol' Days".
Dunno what is really behind that? Bad luck, injuries, bike issues, poor Corporate decisions?
you missed one reason dude...riders..... for example RV has been on top of his game last 3-4 years...hard to beat, can have the best bike out there but if you dont have equal or more the talent that RV has....
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If you listen to last week's Chatter Box from Oakland, he talks about how the same Showa air fork that he disliked last year uses pretty much the same settings, but now it works better due to the different weight bias on the Kawi.
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The thing that is commonly overlooked here is the tiny difference it takes to beat another rider - or the entire field - and the differences in a bike that have an effect on a rider's results. There seems to be an attitude amongst some that a win is "Kicking Ass" and a second or a third is having your "Ass handed to you".

So Reed is having a better year this year. An infinite number of factors are involved and it would be, in part, due to him being able to set up the Kawi to suit him better. Does that make it a better bike than the KTM of Roczen, Villo's Kawi or last years Honda? Possibly - but the difference could be down to a fraction of 1% . . . in just one area of the entire setup.

Last night Reed rode in a clinical fashion where everyone racing had to be careful to not do what Cole Seely did. He was better than the others by .05 of a percent - and got the win. Did the others get a "Ass whoopin'? NO. They're freakin heros just to do a lap of a track like that at speed and just lacked the little something to be right at the front. Setup, fitness, luck, attitude, looking at the years as a whole . . . and possibly just a tiny bit, a very tiny bit less of just one little thing.

But that's all it takes . . . to win or come second . . . or third or tenth.
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GuyB wrote:
If you listen to last week's Chatter Box from Oakland, he talks about how the same Showa air fork that he disliked last year uses pretty...
If you listen to last week's Chatter Box from Oakland, he talks about how the same Showa air fork that he disliked last year uses pretty much the same settings, but now it works better due to the different weight bias on the Kawi.
Good stuff GuyB.
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GuyB wrote:
If you listen to last week's Chatter Box from Oakland, he talks about how the same Showa air fork that he disliked last year uses pretty...
If you listen to last week's Chatter Box from Oakland, he talks about how the same Showa air fork that he disliked last year uses pretty much the same settings, but now it works better due to the different weight bias on the Kawi.
The Rock wrote:
Good stuff GuyB.
Ya that was pretty interesting. Wonder if Honda's geometry is going to steer them back to the spring fork... Chad pretty much said the weight bias meant you had to run a higher pressure - I guess to get it to keep it's stroke position? But doing that negated the benefits, which I understand is an extreme suppleness and almost reverse pressure over small bumps. Interesting!
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wow123 2/3/2014 2:46am
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I would say he tested every bike looking for the one with the frame that suited him most, cause almost everything else can be 'works' and tuned to his liking.
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GuyB wrote:
If you listen to last week's Chatter Box from Oakland, he talks about how the same Showa air fork that he disliked last year uses pretty...
If you listen to last week's Chatter Box from Oakland, he talks about how the same Showa air fork that he disliked last year uses pretty much the same settings, but now it works better due to the different weight bias on the Kawi.
The Rock wrote:
Good stuff GuyB.
X2

Reed also has an amazing group of people around him on that team that have that Kawi running & handling topnotch.
He looked amazing in the whoops - rarely did we see any swapping from him like the other bikes out there.
He was all dialed in and used great settings.
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Underground 2/3/2014 2:49pm
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wasn't there an issue with Reed wanting use different year frame on the 2010 Kawie that was one of the reasons he left back then

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