Herlings going for the hattrick

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Canerat 1/18/2014 8:52am
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Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Honestly he needs to step up to some higher competition and challenge himself. Either into MX1 or USA
Yup, i agree with the above statement. Ultimately its KTMs choice at keeping him there....a HUGE pay cheque for Herlings this year to cherry pick the 250 title.

I would like to see Herlings in tthe USA but that wont happen. Herlings technically has a legit shot to go after Everts records and if TC222 breaks Everts records Herlings should snatch it for himself....all the while KTM will be paying him the big bucks.

So the question is...why go struggle against the real fast boys in the USA whilst you have your arse in the butter????
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Here come the morons

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I would venture for the most part is employer is making the majority of the career decisions be during contract negotiations or daily planning. I'm sure the employer wishes that they all had taken the doctors advise.

I am reasonably confident KTM has a global strategy they consider when the employ riders and to even consider that they do not is a bit narrow. The average rider (read buyer) does not track when a rider should move up or not and KTM understands this. Its all about 8 1/2 X 11 glossy pictures of KTM winning championships and saturating the market with these adds.

As far as being in for the money - damn right!! MX is a dangerous sport and can be very short. If his employers business model has him picking low hanging fruit so be it.
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pilotdude 1/18/2014 9:18am
1/18/2014 9:18am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2014 9:39am
TripleDigit wrote:
The best of the entire AMA failed to get near the GP guys at the last 2 MXdN,did RV dodge a bullet? Fast is fast,especially on...
The best of the entire AMA failed to get near the GP guys at the last 2 MXdN,did RV dodge a bullet?

Fast is fast,especially on "home" turf
Really? Did Tomac "fail to get near" Roczen? Did Villopoto dodge a bullet in France in 2011? Seems to me the other countries dodged an RV bullet, just like de Dyker said in his interview with Geoff.

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rebus 1/18/2014 10:22am
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TripleDigit wrote:
The best of the entire AMA failed to get near the GP guys at the last 2 MXdN,did RV dodge a bullet? Fast is fast,especially on...
The best of the entire AMA failed to get near the GP guys at the last 2 MXdN,did RV dodge a bullet?

Fast is fast,especially on "home" turf
Shhhh, you can't say something like like. The yanks still think they have the fastest outdoor riders in the world. The impression is that the last two mxon was a fluke of some kind, bad luck, and of course their star racer wasn't there. Of course, the Americans are the only country that still thinks that. All the rest know who won and who lost.
eurofighter69 1/18/2014 10:27am
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TripleDigit wrote:
The best of the entire AMA failed to get near the GP guys at the last 2 MXdN,did RV dodge a bullet? Fast is fast,especially on...
The best of the entire AMA failed to get near the GP guys at the last 2 MXdN,did RV dodge a bullet?

Fast is fast,especially on "home" turf
rebus wrote:
Shhhh, you can't say something like like. The yanks still think they have the fastest outdoor riders in the world. The impression is that the last...
Shhhh, you can't say something like like. The yanks still think they have the fastest outdoor riders in the world. The impression is that the last two mxon was a fluke of some kind, bad luck, and of course their star racer wasn't there. Of course, the Americans are the only country that still thinks that. All the rest know who won and who lost.
Oh man,you put your ass in the beehive.Woohoo Laughing Silly
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Glory 1/18/2014 10:31am
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Enough!

Herlings will show ya'll who is the man in Latvia in september Cool
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pilotdude 1/18/2014 11:26am
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TripleDigit wrote:
The best of the entire AMA failed to get near the GP guys at the last 2 MXdN,did RV dodge a bullet? Fast is fast,especially on...
The best of the entire AMA failed to get near the GP guys at the last 2 MXdN,did RV dodge a bullet?

Fast is fast,especially on "home" turf
rebus wrote:
Shhhh, you can't say something like like. The yanks still think they have the fastest outdoor riders in the world. The impression is that the last...
Shhhh, you can't say something like like. The yanks still think they have the fastest outdoor riders in the world. The impression is that the last two mxon was a fluke of some kind, bad luck, and of course their star racer wasn't there. Of course, the Americans are the only country that still thinks that. All the rest know who won and who lost.
Ask de Dyker. He seems to have a pretty good grasp on things.
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Crush 1/18/2014 11:42am
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Aussie_power_sports wrote:
Honestly he needs to step up to some higher competition and challenge himself. Either into MX1 or USA
Crush wrote:
Yep.
DP#201 wrote:
hmm… I don't see the competition any stronger in the US lites this year, than the MX2 WC. And i makes sense that he is not...
hmm… I don't see the competition any stronger in the US lites this year, than the MX2 WC. And i makes sense that he is not riding MX1 this year, as he is still only 18 yrs old. He will gain some more confidence this year, and hopefully he can beat Cairoli when he moves up to the big boys. Would be a dream scenario for him..
For the record, I'm for him moving up to the 450s... I don't think Herlings should goto the US because he can't ride supercross, he'll break himself.

But given your inflammatory comment about the US lites not being more comp (Which it is way way way deeper than GPs) and your handle I won't bother arguing....

He can cherrypick another title but there will be no running away in 2015, Cairoli is waiting– and for my money he'll win.
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ayearinmx 1/18/2014 11:55am
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I honestly don't get this theory about how shallow this MX2 class supposedly is... but then again, I actually know who all the riders are Whistling

the only reason people think it is shallow is because Herlings is that good, (which he is) and they never hear any other names winning..... Ferris proved that the guys behind Herlings are top quality riders and quite frankly its embarrassing to see how often they are dismissed, simply because they can't beat Herlings
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KG171 1/18/2014 11:57am
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Glory wrote:
Enough!

Herlings will show ya'll who is the man in Latvia in september Cool
Yep
TripleDigit 1/18/2014 12:14pm
1/18/2014 12:14pm Edited Date/Time 1/18/2014 12:16pm
TripleDigit wrote:
The best of the entire AMA failed to get near the GP guys at the last 2 MXdN,did RV dodge a bullet? Fast is fast,especially on...
The best of the entire AMA failed to get near the GP guys at the last 2 MXdN,did RV dodge a bullet?

Fast is fast,especially on "home" turf
pilotdude wrote:
Really? Did Tomac "fail to get near" Roczen? Did Villopoto dodge a bullet in France in 2011? Seems to me the other countries dodged an RV...
Really? Did Tomac "fail to get near" Roczen? Did Villopoto dodge a bullet in France in 2011? Seems to me the other countries dodged an RV bullet, just like de Dyker said in his interview with Geoff.
Great ride,Barcia's 3rd the year before was great too,didn't expect Baggett to get lapped twice at Lommel though,or Cairoli and Herlings to nearly do the same to Dungey,maybe RV took note of that regarding 2013?
In 2011 the top 3 in MX1 either weren't there or hardly turned a wheel,quite a suprise that a couple of 250 guys stepped up to put it to RVWhistling

Hey I'm just kidding with you Mr Pilot,don't take it seriously,in all honesty in 2011,2012 and 2013 we've been robbed of all the top guys in there racing together one way or another,hopefully everyone will be there this year Smile
2strokerider 1/18/2014 12:24pm
1/18/2014 12:24pm
ayearinmx wrote:
I honestly don't get this theory about how shallow this MX2 class supposedly is... but then again, I actually know who all the riders are :whistle...
I honestly don't get this theory about how shallow this MX2 class supposedly is... but then again, I actually know who all the riders are Whistling

the only reason people think it is shallow is because Herlings is that good, (which he is) and they never hear any other names winning..... Ferris proved that the guys behind Herlings are top quality riders and quite frankly its embarrassing to see how often they are dismissed, simply because they can't beat Herlings
hit the nail on the head!
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burnside 1/18/2014 12:31pm
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ayearinmx wrote:
I honestly don't get this theory about how shallow this MX2 class supposedly is... but then again, I actually know who all the riders are :whistle...
I honestly don't get this theory about how shallow this MX2 class supposedly is... but then again, I actually know who all the riders are Whistling

the only reason people think it is shallow is because Herlings is that good, (which he is) and they never hear any other names winning..... Ferris proved that the guys behind Herlings are top quality riders and quite frankly its embarrassing to see how often they are dismissed, simply because they can't beat Herlings
2strokerider wrote:
hit the nail on the head!
I think its fair to say had Herlings raced Stateside last year theres no way he would have won as many races.

I wonder how good another year in that class even is for Herlings development wise. You'd think Roczen is learning and progressing a lot more in the position he's at now...
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COAL-TRAIN 1/18/2014 12:32pm
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Crush wrote:
Yep.
Bennydic wrote:
Yep x 2
zook11 wrote:
Yep x3

But I can't blame him, I wouldn't wanna race cairoli either.
x4...lot easier to go fast when your comfortable and know you have no comp. Put some fast guys on his heels for a whole series and we will see. Happens all the time...some fast guy from Europe is supposed to be the next best but history shows things are quite different when you come over to the US and face the best weekend after weekend. No knock on the GP guys...but we all really know where the most competitive series is and Herlings aint racing it.
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COAL-TRAIN 1/18/2014 12:42pm
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ayearinmx wrote:
I honestly don't get this theory about how shallow this MX2 class supposedly is... but then again, I actually know who all the riders are :whistle...
I honestly don't get this theory about how shallow this MX2 class supposedly is... but then again, I actually know who all the riders are Whistling

the only reason people think it is shallow is because Herlings is that good, (which he is) and they never hear any other names winning..... Ferris proved that the guys behind Herlings are top quality riders and quite frankly its embarrassing to see how often they are dismissed, simply because they can't beat Herlings
2strokerider wrote:
hit the nail on the head!
burnside wrote:
I think its fair to say had Herlings raced Stateside last year theres no way he would have won as many races. I wonder how good...
I think its fair to say had Herlings raced Stateside last year theres no way he would have won as many races.

I wonder how good another year in that class even is for Herlings development wise. You'd think Roczen is learning and progressing a lot more in the position he's at now...
Im a proud American MX fan. I love it when these dudes that are supposed to be the next great hope to win an AMA championship come over here and get beat like Roczen did by Tomac this year...its satisfying to watch.
That said I have become a fan of Roczen....he continues to press forward and push himself and I believe he has a chance at winning in the 450's indoors and out. Now compare that to Herlings who is still riding a 250 in Europe and cant ride supercross...silly when you really think about it.
Motocross Illustrated 1/18/2014 12:47pm
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That's so dumb to say why would he come to the U.S.. Because it's were the top MX series is and he has won everything in...
That's so dumb to say why would he come to the U.S.. Because it's were the top MX series is and he has won everything in the GPs. He has all the right to not come and be happy with what he's won but a majority of racers would take the opportunity to challenge for the ultimate championship and be noted for winning at the highest level. Again, he can do whatever he likes and he's a badass on the bike but I think most racers that would dominate like him in the GPs would love to take it to the top level where ever it may be. It's kinda like having the opportunity to race the A class but choosing to keep winning the B class championships forever because I don't want to leave my comfort one.
No disrespect to AC, just saying most would take the opportunity to at least try. If he's happy then that's all that matters but to question "why would he come to the US?" is retarded.
jamma10 wrote:
Exactly the same could be said for all the mollycoddled American riders who stay in their comfort zone.

Which Motocross series is best is totally subjective.
I agree. Some big names in USA, but are they faster than the GP guys? I think it's pretty similar, but saying that American fans and media think you are taking the piss out of them and putting down the AMA series, which is pretty hypocritical of them.

GP riders AMA riders are all fast and there is nothing in it.
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jamma10 1/18/2014 12:51pm
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Bennydic wrote:
Yep x 2
zook11 wrote:
Yep x3

But I can't blame him, I wouldn't wanna race cairoli either.
COAL-TRAIN wrote:
x4...lot easier to go fast when your comfortable and know you have no comp. Put some fast guys on his heels for a whole series and...
x4...lot easier to go fast when your comfortable and know you have no comp. Put some fast guys on his heels for a whole series and we will see. Happens all the time...some fast guy from Europe is supposed to be the next best but history shows things are quite different when you come over to the US and face the best weekend after weekend. No knock on the GP guys...but we all really know where the most competitive series is and Herlings aint racing it.
...but all know who the best riders in the world are and Herlings IS one of them, no matter where he races.

Pretty much every "fast guy from Europe" who has gone over HAS won a championship of some kind, and if they haven't won a championship then they've narrowly missed out on one - Tortelli.

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eurofighter69 1/18/2014 12:56pm
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Bennydic wrote:
Yep x 2
zook11 wrote:
Yep x3

But I can't blame him, I wouldn't wanna race cairoli either.
COAL-TRAIN wrote:
x4...lot easier to go fast when your comfortable and know you have no comp. Put some fast guys on his heels for a whole series and...
x4...lot easier to go fast when your comfortable and know you have no comp. Put some fast guys on his heels for a whole series and we will see. Happens all the time...some fast guy from Europe is supposed to be the next best but history shows things are quite different when you come over to the US and face the best weekend after weekend. No knock on the GP guys...but we all really know where the most competitive series is and Herlings aint racing it.
Send us Roczen and Musquin back to europe and we have top competition on real motocross tracks!And if Villopoto,your superman,will have no competition anymore in the US,send him also to europe.
Sorry,it's a stupide post,but i want to put myself on the same level with you.Evil
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Jamie_Munro wrote:
Pretty sure Cairoli came over with the U.S gp (but I am sure you already knew that as you are obviously an expert) I think Alessi...
Pretty sure Cairoli came over with the U.S gp (but I am sure you already knew that as you are obviously an expert) I think Alessi was the only TOP TIER rider at the time with the balls to step in, any hardcore GP fan could call the Americans out based on this....I WONT.

When was the last time any U.S rider made a visit to the gp tracks? They dont, you wanna know why? Because they are not internet warriors with a point to prove, they dont sit at home calling the gp riders pussies or slow or of a lesser value talent wise. They are focused on what they want to achieve at home.

It's a bit early in the year for this sort of talk but Zach came over and went back a much better rider, that's all I'm saying.

davistld - you are in the middle of a bad quote unfortunately, it's not aimed at you.
I totally agree with you. Can't see why we Always end up in "my daddy is stronger than yours"

There are a lot of great dads out there, with great jobs. Let's just leave it there.
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burnside 1/18/2014 1:57pm
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Im a proud American MX fan. I love it when these dudes that are supposed to be the next great hope to win an AMA championship...
Im a proud American MX fan. I love it when these dudes that are supposed to be the next great hope to win an AMA championship come over here and get beat like Roczen did by Tomac this year...its satisfying to watch.
That said I have become a fan of Roczen....he continues to press forward and push himself and I believe he has a chance at winning in the 450's indoors and out. Now compare that to Herlings who is still riding a 250 in Europe and cant ride supercross...silly when you really think about it.
Well, he won a 250 SX Champsionship Wink and no shame in being pipped to the title by Tomac no matter where you're from.

I agree though, something to be said about seeking out the toughest competition. Think Decoster is on record saying something similar about himself...
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PressPassP 1/18/2014 1:58pm
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2strokerider wrote:
hit the nail on the head!
burnside wrote:
I think its fair to say had Herlings raced Stateside last year theres no way he would have won as many races. I wonder how good...
I think its fair to say had Herlings raced Stateside last year theres no way he would have won as many races.

I wonder how good another year in that class even is for Herlings development wise. You'd think Roczen is learning and progressing a lot more in the position he's at now...
COAL-TRAIN wrote:
Im a proud American MX fan. I love it when these dudes that are supposed to be the next great hope to win an AMA championship...
Im a proud American MX fan. I love it when these dudes that are supposed to be the next great hope to win an AMA championship come over here and get beat like Roczen did by Tomac this year...its satisfying to watch.
That said I have become a fan of Roczen....he continues to press forward and push himself and I believe he has a chance at winning in the 450's indoors and out. Now compare that to Herlings who is still riding a 250 in Europe and cant ride supercross...silly when you really think about it.
I don't think some people quite understand how tough it is to do what Roczen's done,to leave home,leave your family,leave a series you've grown up around most of your racing life and people you're familiar working with etc etc and take on the "other" series where automactically he's out of his comfort zone and all the "locals" are right at home with all the aforementioned all going for them

Roczen was superb in France for example(and always good when he's returned to Europe) when up against the best of the best the AMA in,RV and RD,suppose he'd stayed in Europe and any of the top AMA guys come and took him and Herlings on in the GP's,they'd have probably fared the same as Kenny did in the US or worse
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It reminds me of when James was dominating on his half bike and people wanted him to move up before Ricky was on the downside. I have a motocross action with Ryno basically saying that James will wax Ricky and needs to move up so beating him still means something rather than waiting for him to get old. We all know how that worked out. People are writing Tony off too quickly as well in my opinion. But yeah, as a fan I'd like to see the two best GP racers face each other. Just for my own selfish reasons.
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Jefro98 wrote:
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Great pis. That was the moto where RV gave his gate to Baggett and started in 13 yes? And by the end of the moto was right on top of Herlings...on a track he had never seen before? Yep, thought so. Tell the whole story.
Jamie_Munro 1/18/2014 3:08pm
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Bad argument dude.

JH would have been about 5 years old
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Great pis. That was the moto where RV gave his gate to Baggett and started in 13 yes? And by the end of the moto was...
Great pis. That was the moto where RV gave his gate to Baggett and started in 13 yes? And by the end of the moto was right on top of Herlings...on a track he had never seen before? Yep, thought so. Tell the whole story.
Yes,i agree but Villopoto was on top of his carreer and 17 year old Herlings rode the first time the big bike in a big race.Thanks to let know as.....

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