PC bikes are not great...

whiskeythrottle101
Edited Date/Time 1/13/2014 6:47am
It's not just the riders anymore I believe it's the bikes now. The PC looks really bad in the whoops and can you see the bikes under powered?
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bobby397 1/11/2014 9:01pm
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It's the riders.
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Bowers (200 pounds) made it work last year against super skinny Musquin and lil' Hahn....
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The PC bikes are fine. I don't know what is up with Wilson but he has been underwhelming to say the least. Durham has had a lot of injuries and that has taken his speed away in my opinion. He just doesn't look the same. Hill needs a start to show what he is capable of.

Honestly, the other teams have just caught up. Rockstar KTM, Factory KTM, TLD, Geico, and even Star have upped their game. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that many of these teams are not reliant on PC to build their engines anymore. They either have factory help or they are in-house.
whiskeythrottle101 1/11/2014 9:34pm
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The PC bikes are fine. I don't know what is up with Wilson but he has been underwhelming to say the least. Durham has had a...
The PC bikes are fine. I don't know what is up with Wilson but he has been underwhelming to say the least. Durham has had a lot of injuries and that has taken his speed away in my opinion. He just doesn't look the same. Hill needs a start to show what he is capable of.

Honestly, the other teams have just caught up. Rockstar KTM, Factory KTM, TLD, Geico, and even Star have upped their game. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that many of these teams are not reliant on PC to build their engines anymore. They either have factory help or they are in-house.
Dean doesnt race the track...he races other guys...doing look backs...block passes....A1 him and Osborne had a good race...but the race was ahead of them

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whiskeythrottle101 wrote:
It's not just the riders anymore I believe it's the bikes now. The PC looks really bad in the whoops and can you see the bikes...
It's not just the riders anymore I believe it's the bikes now. The PC looks really bad in the whoops and can you see the bikes under powered?
You're whacked out wiskey, maybe on Whiskey. I'm pretty certain Mitch and crew know what they're doing. You can't be serious? C'mon man, use your noggin!
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Harry_Gray 1/11/2014 10:01pm
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The only thing that I saw this evening that I would consider suspect would be D. Durham's bike through the whoops. Seemed like he was struggling through them. Might be a setup issue. Other bikes/riders looked fine IMO.
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Trav138 1/11/2014 10:07pm
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Durham seems way off pace. He doesn't look comfortable out there compared to the top guys, Hill has the speed but his starts hurt him. Wilson will come around soon. But its not the bikes.
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kongols 1/11/2014 10:09pm
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They were great when they were making engines for 80% of teams out there. Now that all of those teams are on their own program....
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hartebreak 1/11/2014 10:10pm
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Mitch has been building championship bikes for over 2 decades, the dude knows what he is doing. But perhaps having all of his work done in house could be a bit limiting to development? I dunno, but I'm sure Mitch will get this figured out. I know the days of PC getting to cherry pick the best riders each year are over. TLD, Geico, KTM are now attracting good talent as well.
whiskeythrottle101 1/11/2014 10:19pm
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kongols wrote:
They were great when they were making engines for 80% of teams out there. Now that all of those teams are on their own program....
hahhahaha
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Xeno 1/11/2014 10:22pm
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Disagree whiskythrottle. I actually think Anderson would be even faster on Mitch's bike.
whiskeythrottle101 1/11/2014 10:24pm
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Disagree whiskythrottle. I actually think Anderson would be even faster on Mitch's bike.
Did you see Durham's bike in the whoops?
Also, take alook at the PC bike's acceleration
And no PC bike has got a holeshot yet

Kong may be on to something...Mitch detuned his competitors engines? its a valid claim
whiskeythrottle101 1/11/2014 10:25pm
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oh and television is not showing mitch or doing interviews with him....hmmm
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Xeno 1/11/2014 10:28pm
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I watched very closely when I was at Anaheim I. Anderson is wringing the life out of that pumpkin while the PC bikes gain on him coming out of turns. His riding is making the difference.

Put Anderson on the green machine and he will holeshot and ride away.
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zook11 1/11/2014 10:36pm
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Bikes are good. It's just Deano is a little overrated in Supercross IMO. He's been waaaay off the pace in both mains. He was even getting beat by Wharton and Hahn last year In SX. Hope he's gets everything figured out.
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joneal621 1/11/2014 10:36pm
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Since the Achilles tendon DD doesn't seam able to put his weight back on his heals in the whoops. But I don't think we can count PC out just yet.
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Xeno wrote:
Disagree whiskythrottle. I actually think Anderson would be even faster on Mitch's bike.
whiskeythrottle101 wrote:
Did you see Durham's bike in the whoops? Also, take alook at the PC bike's acceleration And no PC bike has got a holeshot yet Kong...
Did you see Durham's bike in the whoops?
Also, take alook at the PC bike's acceleration
And no PC bike has got a holeshot yet

Kong may be on to something...Mitch detuned his competitors engines? its a valid claim
surely not, deano just looks like his fitness or starts aren't were it should be
Travis_Hudson 1/11/2014 11:02pm
1/11/2014 11:02pm
I think the PC bikes are great still!.......I just think the other guys are catching up to them about now, all the top team bikes are really fast right now, you can see it.

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colonel 1/12/2014 3:01am
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Its the riders not the bikes.
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Mx286 1/12/2014 9:37am
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The PC bikes are fine, their riders seem to be struggling a bit.

Everyone caught back up when they stopped using PC parts.
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If Durham wouldn't have cleaned everyone out on the restart, he would have been battling for 4th in the LCQ. He has to make sure that didn;t happen. Nothing like sweeping a little wide to clear out your comp, especially when your boss Peyton is watching.

Nothing wrong with the "bikes"

Peyton says the 4 stroke is killing his budget, maybe hes not paying enough and the talent is going elsewhere. Geico, Yamaha and KTM seem to have the "new" up and comers.
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Chris O'Neal 1/12/2014 12:59pm
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Anyone that thinks those bikes aren't good is out of their mind! Durham looks so bad threw the whoops because he wasn't riding good through them and his body position wasn't far enough back, on the balls of this toes. Wilson was going good threw them and was way back on the bike. Anderson and Seely are just better riders than everyone on PC's team except for Wilson. Once he is back to 100% it will be a different story.

Back in 2008, I talked to Austin Stroupe and he won a National at Glen Helen. I asked him did he do anything different this year and he said no, but this PC bike is so much better than any bike he ever rode and he said it felt like cheating cause it was making all the difference. Wonder how Durham would be doing on a bike the public could buy?
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Chris O'Neal wrote:
Anyone that thinks those bikes aren't good is out of their mind! Durham looks so bad threw the whoops because he wasn't riding good through them...
Anyone that thinks those bikes aren't good is out of their mind! Durham looks so bad threw the whoops because he wasn't riding good through them and his body position wasn't far enough back, on the balls of this toes. Wilson was going good threw them and was way back on the bike. Anderson and Seely are just better riders than everyone on PC's team except for Wilson. Once he is back to 100% it will be a different story.

Back in 2008, I talked to Austin Stroupe and he won a National at Glen Helen. I asked him did he do anything different this year and he said no, but this PC bike is so much better than any bike he ever rode and he said it felt like cheating cause it was making all the difference. Wonder how Durham would be doing on a bike the public could buy?
Durnham was doing really got on his privateer honda back in 2011 i believe? When he rode a awesome race at High Point. After that its look like he is not been the same rider anymore.. Allot of injuries and lost some speed..

He rode the best on that eleven mods honda!!
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colonel 1/13/2014 3:04am
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The bikes can look bad cause the riders maybe have not got a good idea on how to set them up properly and dont have that experience at the top level of SX etc.
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If Durham wouldn't have cleaned everyone out on the restart, he would have been battling for 4th in the LCQ. He has to make sure that...
If Durham wouldn't have cleaned everyone out on the restart, he would have been battling for 4th in the LCQ. He has to make sure that didn;t happen. Nothing like sweeping a little wide to clear out your comp, especially when your boss Peyton is watching.

Nothing wrong with the "bikes"

Peyton says the 4 stroke is killing his budget, maybe hes not paying enough and the talent is going elsewhere. Geico, Yamaha and KTM seem to have the "new" up and comers.
I think you're onto something about not paying enough.

In the past Mitch's machines were so far ahead of the majority of other teams that the young riders would sign a PC contract for less money because they knew that it would it give them a good platform to launch their career and secure a profitable 450 contract.

Now the other teams have:
1. Stepped up their programs and have machines that are as good or not far off PC.
2. taken out their cheque books and signed the young and the fast.

Let's see what happens when we head East!

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GeorgiePorgie 1/13/2014 3:57am
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You're high. Those PC kawasakis are probably the best bikes on the track.

It sure as shit isn't the bikes fault PC isn't on the podium.
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Mx_Pain 1/13/2014 4:08am
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Wow... Whiskeytrottle1, must be a blessing too be born with the gift of telling acceleration, throttle position and suspension settings just by looking at television. Maybe you should start a hotline for race team to call for tips which u can charge heavily. Smile

Blame the rider not the bike.
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Markee 1/13/2014 4:26am
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A bike that can throw a 6'1" man through that triple, triple, triple section before the finish is doing just fine.
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BobbyM 1/13/2014 4:31am
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whiskeythrottle101 wrote:
It's not just the riders anymore I believe it's the bikes now. The PC looks really bad in the whoops and can you see the bikes...
It's not just the riders anymore I believe it's the bikes now. The PC looks really bad in the whoops and can you see the bikes under powered?
Maybe they all got browns motor mods.
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GrapeApe 1/13/2014 4:35am
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It's not the bikes or the pay, they are losing the battle in the amateur ranks. Team Green used to spit out Horizon Award winners and prodigies year after year, and they would graduate to PC. With the exception of Adam C, they no longer get the best talent. Honda and Yamaha have them covered on US talent, and KTM now gets the former world champs instead of PC.

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