Electric Bikes May Have a Use

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Edited Date/Time 12/11/2013 7:30pm
Since it's the offseason, I figured this might be a fun discussion. For the record, I have never ridden an electric bike, so this is all just based off of speculation. It seems like electric bikes are a long ways off of racing in SX or MX, but what about endurocross? I know what everyone is thinking, "electric bikes! Screw that it will never replace gas bikes!". That might be true, and normally I would agree with that, but I think there are a lot of things going for them in this type of racing. I know one guy raced one in the trials class and did pretty well. Here are some advantages.

1. They do not stall, and there is no clutch to cover
2. Since electric motors make instant torque, this could help get over logs and other obstacles
3. Races are relatively short, so battery life would not likely be a problem
4. Lighter? Not sure about this one or not, but it could be eventually with how fast battery technology is advancing.

I'm no expert on this, but what do you guys think? Could be an interesting concept.
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12/9/2013 9:32pm
There was a KTM video with AC and Stefan Everts racing around a small SX track on electric bikes. To me it looked like a freaking blast! I'm all in favor of electric bikes.
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12/9/2013 10:15pm
With ktm all but dominating the offroad market, it might happen soon. I figure that would be a great way for them to introduce an all new type of motorcycle, and what better way to prove it's worth than by showing it can survive an endurocross race? I don't really ever see myself buying one, just because I feel like not having the noise and vibrations would take something away from riding and racing, but I do think the concept is interesting.
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12/10/2013 6:37am
My hope is that we don't try to build electric bikes to compete with the gas engines we have now but for it to start a whole new trend and market. How cool would it be to have an "electirc" mx bike track in your city limits or better yet be able to MX in your back yard even...

the possibilities are endless given the cost of one comes down...
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12/10/2013 7:14am
brocster wrote:
My hope is that we don't try to build electric bikes to compete with the gas engines we have now but for it to start a...
My hope is that we don't try to build electric bikes to compete with the gas engines we have now but for it to start a whole new trend and market. How cool would it be to have an "electirc" mx bike track in your city limits or better yet be able to MX in your back yard even...

the possibilities are endless given the cost of one comes down...
I think you hit the nail on the head here. It seems like the flack about electric bikes comes when you try to compare them to gas bikes. Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of a gas bike ripping. But I like the possibilities of more riding spots with easier access better.

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12/10/2013 7:19am
If I could afford one, I would have one.....Small hard enduro track in back yard.......
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12/10/2013 7:40am
speaking of which, does anyone have any experience with the oset bikes? I was thinking about getting one for my son because we live in town and even the pw50 kinda pisses some neighbors off. I try to have him ride when people are weed eating and mowing so people don't notice it, haha.
12/10/2013 8:03am
I'd love to have one so I could hit my old riding spots! Surrounded by houses now so riding a gas bike is impossible...
12/10/2013 8:38am Edited Date/Time 12/10/2013 8:39am
I too think that electric bikes will be a great away to change the sport at a local level for the better.
The expectations and old ways of thinking just need to change some.
Louder doesn’t always mean fast, faster doesn’t always mean better.

The main reasons people don’t ride race as much as they use to.
a. No place to ride
b. To dangerous
c. To high of initial cost
d. Maintenance cost and complexity of it

Electric bikes have the potential to solve all of these in about 5-8 years.

More ridding areas, slower speeds, smaller jumps, less injuries, less and easier maintenance.
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12/10/2013 4:17pm
Interesting points guys. I didn't really think too much about it, but they could open up the possibility of inner city mx tracks and backyard tracks in housing areas. I might not be a huge fan of electric powered cars or anything, but the benefits when it comes to noise are hard to ignore.
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12/10/2013 5:42pm
It'd be fun to have a little backyard sx track in town.
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12/10/2013 6:30pm
For those of you that refuse to accept electric bikes, there's always this compressed air powered bike...






Built on a loaner Yamaha WR250, the O2 Pursuit looks like any other off-road bike, but its power comes from compressed air stored in a scuba diving tank hidden under the bodywork. It is powered by DiPietro air rotary engine. Range is reportedly 60 miles and it has been clocked at 87 mph. (credit: HuskyEd)
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12/10/2013 8:22pm
Damn, that's pretty cool!
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12/10/2013 8:28pm Edited Date/Time 12/10/2013 8:30pm
A couple of years back I spent some time on the Zero MX and street line. The products were good - like a powerful downhill bike.

Still not as strong as a normal MX bike, but fun and pretty good.

The biggest benefits are the lack of noise and no maintenance to the motor / drivetrain.

It was a fun day, and I would see how having these in the back yard would be alot of fun.

The downfalls were 30 minute battery life, mountain bike like suspension and components, as well as the high cost to entry.

For $10k or whatever it was, I would much prefer a new CRF250 and a few thousand in extra bolt on parts and maybe a new skid lid and boots.

But the day will come when they are as good as a run of the mill MX or off road bike. Battery life is the biggest obstacle - but factor in Moore's Law, and I bet in 5 years those things are a potential game changer.
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12/10/2013 10:37pm
Here is a sweet vid of a kid on an ele bike. A lil tweeking and gear it for moto and it would be fun. just has to cost less then new 4t and I bet people will be on board
http://youtu.be/fTQ9YhgrGn4
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12/11/2013 5:32am
I'd think they'd be very good for the trails. Oh, and on the kitchen counter as a blender.
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12/11/2013 6:45am
Give me 40hp/25ft-lb with 35 min run time, typical modern MX ergos and suspension, make it weigh less than 235lbs, price it under $7500 and I'll buy one.
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12/11/2013 10:39am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2013 10:40am
In theory, your above thoughts on how an electric bike would open up riding areas seems logical. However, just go ask the BMX crowd how accepting communities are of their attempts at urban BMX. Believe me, they get their ass shut down left and right. It's still a niche sport and has a bad rap of being "extreme". Any organized community can get you shut down with barely any effort.

If you doubt it, just ask Chad Reed. I know he's on gas engines, but all the money in the world couldn't sway one grumpy old neighbor's request in some po dunk town in the middle of nowhere FL. He lost access to a property he likely spent millions on and the community didn't give two shits.

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12/11/2013 10:46am
nytsmaC wrote:
Give me 40hp/25ft-lb with 35 min run time, typical modern MX ergos and suspension, make it weigh less than 235lbs, price it under $7500 and I'll...
Give me 40hp/25ft-lb with 35 min run time, typical modern MX ergos and suspension, make it weigh less than 235lbs, price it under $7500 and I'll buy one.
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12/11/2013 5:53pm
nytsmaC wrote:
Give me 40hp/25ft-lb with 35 min run time, typical modern MX ergos and suspension, make it weigh less than 235lbs, price it under $7500 and I'll...
Give me 40hp/25ft-lb with 35 min run time, typical modern MX ergos and suspension, make it weigh less than 235lbs, price it under $7500 and I'll buy one.
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Haha, been down the 500 road when I was younger. It's not for me. I just want something I can do motos on behind the house without getting the neighbors upset. I have prime acreage to build a track but most of the neighbors are horse people and I know it wouldn't last long with a traditional noisy MX bike. It's expensive to build a track so before I do I want to be sure that I'll be able to get a lot of use out of it. Electric is probably the best answer.
12/11/2013 6:00pm
There is a vid floating around the Internet if an electric moto bike running a hate scramble or a GP. I want to say it maintained its speed the entire race ....
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12/11/2013 6:07pm
nytsmaC wrote:
Give me 40hp/25ft-lb with 35 min run time, typical modern MX ergos and suspension, make it weigh less than 235lbs, price it under $7500 and I'll...
Give me 40hp/25ft-lb with 35 min run time, typical modern MX ergos and suspension, make it weigh less than 235lbs, price it under $7500 and I'll buy one.
jtomasik wrote:
nytsmaC wrote:
Haha, been down the 500 road when I was younger. It's not for me. I just want something I can do motos on behind the house...
Haha, been down the 500 road when I was younger. It's not for me. I just want something I can do motos on behind the house without getting the neighbors upset. I have prime acreage to build a track but most of the neighbors are horse people and I know it wouldn't last long with a traditional noisy MX bike. It's expensive to build a track so before I do I want to be sure that I'll be able to get a lot of use out of it. Electric is probably the best answer.
Horses love dirt bikes. To bad most of thier owners don't. My neighbors horses alway lined the fence to watch when were riding.
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12/11/2013 6:36pm
That ktm is pretty cool. Imagine being able to ride an endurocross course with instant torque and no clutch to worry about. Impossible to stall and more power than you could use. I don't think I would like to ride one on an mx track, but think of the possibilities for training and practicing as well. Endurocross tracks don't take up a lot or room, and his would take the noise issue out of the equation making them a possibility in larger backyards or other property.
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12/11/2013 6:45pm
I had an electric motor on a commuter bicycle I rode around town... the torque of the electric is so sweet. I can only imagine how a purpose built mx bike would pull.

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