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Crush
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11/7/2013 9:20pm
If you don't have the money to buy new, if you're budget is lower, maybe think about a 450, try test one?

There are a HEAP of roached 250effs around that haven't been looked after and a rebuild will cost, well probably most of the cost of the bike.
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11/7/2013 10:12pm
A used 250F? Sick

There are a lot of new leftovers out there for some pretty good deals. Do a search on Cycle Trader.
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11/7/2013 10:16pm
While you want a 4 Stroke, I want to get back in to the 2 Stroke world...
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11/7/2013 10:35pm
Nice fish. What'd it weigh ?

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11/8/2013 12:41am
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Nice fish. What'd it weigh ?
I don't know but it had at least 3 pounds of bullshit in its belly.


Maybe somebody should tell him the trend is back to the 2 stroke. But if he wants a used 250F I would recommend that he try to find a local pros to buy. That way he knows it can go fast and it's broken inCool
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11/8/2013 5:11am Edited Date/Time 11/8/2013 5:14am
You know, you can add a flywheel weight to your 2-stroke and smooth out the power. Another option would be to keep your 2-stroke find a locked up 250F for cheap and put it together yourself. You could ride the 2-stroke until you get the 250F built. Then you will have a pretty good 250F plus know a little on how to work on it.
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11/8/2013 7:19am
an aggressive B rider and you never tried a 250f/don't know how they jump?? hmmmmm

In conclusion, get another 2 stroke. haha
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11/8/2013 7:58am
step away from the 4 stroke! kidding. do not buy a used 250f unless you know the seller and the history of the bike. time bomb.
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11/8/2013 8:02am Edited Date/Time 11/8/2013 9:04am
don't have the money to buy new? then i'm assuming you don't have the money to buy a used 250f and replace the motor once it grenades (and it will sooner or later)

refresh your 250, put a new top end on her, some new plastic, maybe even bleach/bedazzle her tail-pipe. don't get a divorce, bro...
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11/8/2013 8:43am
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an aggressive B rider and you never tried a 250f/don't know how they jump?? hmmmmm

In conclusion, get another 2 stroke. haha
Just curious what you mean by that. What's strange about that? I guess it is uncommon, yes. But are you suspicious of something.

Just wondering what your perspective is on that being that I'm a mid-back A rider and have a grand total of about 15 minutes of seat time on a 4 stroke MX bike and haven't ridden one in over 5 years.

I do notice that it's a different language when talking to 4 stroke guys about certain sections or obstacles. Whenever I mention hitting jumps with the throttle closed and dragging the brakes I get the weirdest looks. haha. I guess that's stuff that doesn't work quite so well on 4 strokes.

I get the impression that there is a lot to relearn if I want to move to a 4 stroke.
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seth505 wrote:
an aggressive B rider and you never tried a 250f/don't know how they jump?? hmmmmm

In conclusion, get another 2 stroke. haha
E-man811 wrote:
Just curious what you mean by that. What's strange about that? I guess it is uncommon, yes. But are you suspicious of something. Just wondering what...
Just curious what you mean by that. What's strange about that? I guess it is uncommon, yes. But are you suspicious of something.

Just wondering what your perspective is on that being that I'm a mid-back A rider and have a grand total of about 15 minutes of seat time on a 4 stroke MX bike and haven't ridden one in over 5 years.

I do notice that it's a different language when talking to 4 stroke guys about certain sections or obstacles. Whenever I mention hitting jumps with the throttle closed and dragging the brakes I get the weirdest looks. haha. I guess that's stuff that doesn't work quite so well on 4 strokes.

I get the impression that there is a lot to relearn if I want to move to a 4 stroke.
O ya I didn't mean to call him out or whatever just thought it was weird. I'm definitely no hero on a bike but I can jump on 4strokes and ride them similar to my 2strokes. You definitely ride them slightly different but they aren't night/day differences to learn how to ride them fast.

I agree that it is still a different language though. Infact I hate how alot of the lines/corners develop on tracks now that there are a lot of 4strokes.
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11/8/2013 12:25pm
Can I buy your 250?

Don't buy a used four-stroke. NEVER buy a used 250F.

Since when is being aggressive mean you will be on the rev limiter a lot?
11/8/2013 12:36pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2015 11:46am
Grizz wrote:
Can I buy your 250? Don't buy a used four-stroke. NEVER buy a used 250F. Since when is being aggressive mean you will be on the...
Can I buy your 250?

Don't buy a used four-stroke. NEVER buy a used 250F.

Since when is being aggressive mean you will be on the rev limiter a lot?
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11/8/2013 12:44pm
As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital.

Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no issues buying another used 250f if I found a good by. Heck, my last used one was an 09 KX250f that had been ridden by a pro at a few SX. I bought it for the right price rode the shit back out of it and sold it 2 years later for $200 less than I bought it for. Nothing but regular maintenance. I do way less maintenance on my thumpers than when I was riding 250 2-strokes.

This board is full if non-riders who love to spout their interweb expertise................
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11/8/2013 12:55pm Edited Date/Time 11/8/2013 1:00pm
Tracktor wrote:
As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital. Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no...
As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital.

Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no issues buying another used 250f if I found a good by. Heck, my last used one was an 09 KX250f that had been ridden by a pro at a few SX. I bought it for the right price rode the shit back out of it and sold it 2 years later for $200 less than I bought it for. Nothing but regular maintenance. I do way less maintenance on my thumpers than when I was riding 250 2-strokes.

This board is full if non-riders who love to spout their interweb expertise................
funny little jam...

a kid i grew up racing with recently got into riding again. he went and bought a brand new yamaha 450, it's been a great bike for him. i sold my 450 and went back to two strokes because i simply wouldn't be able to afford to rebuild it IF it blew. preventative. so anyway, my buddy's dad grills me about switching back and i told him all my reasons. he argued with me tooth and nail about the reliability, cost, etc of the bangers. so he goes and buys his grand-son a used YZ250f and brings it by to show it off. the thing was titties, super clean, new exhaust, suspension work, all that jazz. his g-son rides it for about a year, performs regular maintenance (check valves, oil changes, air-filters), and siezes that pig up at the end of the year.

that was 3 years ago, it's still sitting in his garage broken because he can't afford to rebuild it.

say it all you like, rebuilding a completely blown (top and bottom) 250 smoker is not even in the same ballpark of rebuilding a 4-stroke.

i'll never tell someone what to buy and what not to buy. 4-strokes as you said are easier to ride and easier to jump (mainly because one doesn't need to be able to corner anymore to jump any jump at the local track)
11/8/2013 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2015 11:46am
Tracktor wrote:
As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital. Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no...
As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital.

Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no issues buying another used 250f if I found a good by. Heck, my last used one was an 09 KX250f that had been ridden by a pro at a few SX. I bought it for the right price rode the shit back out of it and sold it 2 years later for $200 less than I bought it for. Nothing but regular maintenance. I do way less maintenance on my thumpers than when I was riding 250 2-strokes.

This board is full if non-riders who love to spout their interweb expertise................
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11/8/2013 12:56pm
Jumping is much easier, IMO. Larger powerband so you don't have to be as precise and can time stuff much easier. I immediately felt more comfortable on a thumper. .........................
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11/8/2013 1:10pm
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As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital. Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no...
As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital.

Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no issues buying another used 250f if I found a good by. Heck, my last used one was an 09 KX250f that had been ridden by a pro at a few SX. I bought it for the right price rode the shit back out of it and sold it 2 years later for $200 less than I bought it for. Nothing but regular maintenance. I do way less maintenance on my thumpers than when I was riding 250 2-strokes.

This board is full if non-riders who love to spout their interweb expertise................
peelout wrote:
funny little jam... a kid i grew up racing with recently got into riding again. he went and bought a brand new yamaha 450, it's been...
funny little jam...

a kid i grew up racing with recently got into riding again. he went and bought a brand new yamaha 450, it's been a great bike for him. i sold my 450 and went back to two strokes because i simply wouldn't be able to afford to rebuild it IF it blew. preventative. so anyway, my buddy's dad grills me about switching back and i told him all my reasons. he argued with me tooth and nail about the reliability, cost, etc of the bangers. so he goes and buys his grand-son a used YZ250f and brings it by to show it off. the thing was titties, super clean, new exhaust, suspension work, all that jazz. his g-son rides it for about a year, performs regular maintenance (check valves, oil changes, air-filters), and siezes that pig up at the end of the year.

that was 3 years ago, it's still sitting in his garage broken because he can't afford to rebuild it.

say it all you like, rebuilding a completely blown (top and bottom) 250 smoker is not even in the same ballpark of rebuilding a 4-stroke.

i'll never tell someone what to buy and what not to buy. 4-strokes as you said are easier to ride and easier to jump (mainly because one doesn't need to be able to corner anymore to jump any jump at the local track)
No shit? Rebuilding a 2-stroke is cheaper than a thumper? Wonders never cease...No ones has ever argued the obvious.

As for them being easier to ride - So what? My 125 is fun to ride but my 250f is my "go to" bike any day of the week. It always makes me smile. I doubt that for clearing a jump out of a corner it has a huge advantage on a 250 2-stroke, though.........
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11/8/2013 2:43pm
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No shit? Rebuilding a 2-stroke is cheaper than a thumper? Wonders never cease...No ones has ever argued the obvious. As for them being easier to ride...
No shit? Rebuilding a 2-stroke is cheaper than a thumper? Wonders never cease...No ones has ever argued the obvious.

As for them being easier to ride - So what? My 125 is fun to ride but my 250f is my "go to" bike any day of the week. It always makes me smile. I doubt that for clearing a jump out of a corner it has a huge advantage on a 250 2-stroke, though.........
i only pointed it out as you seemed a little oblivious to the fact that like your 2-strokes, the 4-strokes require maintenance as well. sometimes shit happens though and rebuilds become necessary (no matter the number of strokes). hence pointing out how much more expensive they are.

the 4-broke force is strong with this one
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11/8/2013 2:55pm
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Jumping is much easier, IMO. Larger powerband so you don't have to be as precise and can time stuff much easier. I immediately felt more comfortable...
Jumping is much easier, IMO. Larger powerband so you don't have to be as precise and can time stuff much easier. I immediately felt more comfortable on a thumper. .........................
Which also allows a rider to go much faster than their skill set will allow and when things go bad like crashing it is usually way worse ......thats been my experience. Its not like that for everyone but i feel safer on my 2 stroke BECAUSE i need to be razor sharp with my precision otherwise I have to back it down.....on a thumper you dont really notice that.

IMO a good 2 stroke rider is a much better rider than someone that can go as fast on a thumper....not meaning that as a diss its just the way it seems to me
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11/8/2013 3:12pm
Grizz wrote:
Can I buy your 250? Don't buy a used four-stroke. NEVER buy a used 250F. Since when is being aggressive mean you will be on the...
Can I buy your 250?

Don't buy a used four-stroke. NEVER buy a used 250F.

Since when is being aggressive mean you will be on the rev limiter a lot?
CBailey306 wrote:
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Always thought you were to lug four strokes. I know Barcia would hit the rev limiter on his 250F. Most do not. I have never ridden a four stroke MX bike. Strictly two stroke.... however, my appetite to try one has increased. Want to ride a 2014 Y250F and CRF250R. Contemplating going four stroke.

Some differences:

+ Engine breaking on four stroke (however, less than a few years ago)
+ Weight
+ Power Delivery
+ Gyro effect

http://www.motosport.com/blog/2-stroke-vs-4-stroke-dirt-bike-how-they-m…

250F vs 250T: http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/YOU-ASKED-FOR-IT-MOTOCROSS-ACTI…
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11/8/2013 3:39pm Edited Date/Time 11/8/2013 3:56pm
I think peelout's advice is the best - don't get a divorce from the 2t. If your prepared to have and extra $1000 - $1500 to rebuild it after it locks up, then go for it. However if it was me, I wouldn't let go of the 2-stroke until after you've ridden the 250f for awhile. If you're planning on selling the 2t to get the 4t, try and get some money set back to fix it when it grenades. But, I would get a manual and do the work yourself.
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11/8/2013 4:03pm
We are buying a 250 two stroke for practice/local races etc to supplement our 2013 YZ 250f. My son got to where be didn't want to ride his 125 cause he loves riding his 250f so much. My point is, I can work on the two stroke and every time he rides/races his 250f I'm always worried it's gonna blow up. If you can afford both, then get a 250f as they really are fun but I don't think I would make it my everyday rider unless you have an unlimited bank account. Us getting the two stroke just makes me sleep better, FWIW.
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11/8/2013 4:13pm
Tracktor wrote:
As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital. Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no...
As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital.

Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no issues buying another used 250f if I found a good by. Heck, my last used one was an 09 KX250f that had been ridden by a pro at a few SX. I bought it for the right price rode the shit back out of it and sold it 2 years later for $200 less than I bought it for. Nothing but regular maintenance. I do way less maintenance on my thumpers than when I was riding 250 2-strokes.

This board is full if non-riders who love to spout their interweb expertise................
Of course the four stroke will last forever putting around in 2nd gear, you were obviously fouling your plug regularly on your two stroke riding like that. Hence the "higher" cost of running the two strokeWhistling


What a bullshit statement. No one that has any clue of riding/racing would say that a two stroke costs more on maintenance then a 250f. That person that bought your '09 more then likely is pissed at the amount of money he's had to throw at it when it blew up. To keep a 250f running constantly and trouble free you have to change the top end around every 80hrs, adjust valves regularly, and replace the crank bearing (around 200hrs) about the same amount as you would a two stroke (minus valves). Otherwise it's a ticking time bomb. Plus doing all said work is a hell of a lot more money/labour intensive than doing that work on a 2 stroke.
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11/8/2013 4:28pm
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As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital. Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no...
As always the 2-stroke stupid is thick at Vital.

Best bet used would be the YZ250f they are damn near bullet proof. I would have no issues buying another used 250f if I found a good by. Heck, my last used one was an 09 KX250f that had been ridden by a pro at a few SX. I bought it for the right price rode the shit back out of it and sold it 2 years later for $200 less than I bought it for. Nothing but regular maintenance. I do way less maintenance on my thumpers than when I was riding 250 2-strokes.

This board is full if non-riders who love to spout their interweb expertise................
malachi177 wrote:
Of course the four stroke will last forever putting around in 2nd gear, you were obviously fouling your plug regularly on your two stroke riding like...
Of course the four stroke will last forever putting around in 2nd gear, you were obviously fouling your plug regularly on your two stroke riding like that. Hence the "higher" cost of running the two strokeWhistling


What a bullshit statement. No one that has any clue of riding/racing would say that a two stroke costs more on maintenance then a 250f. That person that bought your '09 more then likely is pissed at the amount of money he's had to throw at it when it blew up. To keep a 250f running constantly and trouble free you have to change the top end around every 80hrs, adjust valves regularly, and replace the crank bearing (around 200hrs) about the same amount as you would a two stroke (minus valves). Otherwise it's a ticking time bomb. Plus doing all said work is a hell of a lot more money/labour intensive than doing that work on a 2 stroke.
Make up whatever shit helps you justify your argument and makes you feel better. It's always amusing. I have 7 actively race 2-strokes in my shop and one thumper ( not counting three pitbikes). I keep up on maintenance on all of them and the 2-strokes require more day to day work. Nowhere did I state that full rebuilds, etc were cheaper, quite the opposite. Maybe get off being stuck on stupid & learn to read wee bit better?

As for two-strokes being safer because they are more dangerous? Do you people even read what you type?

Just because you can't afford to ride a 4-stroke doesn't make them an inferior bike. Ride what you want but at least learn to give objective advice....................
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11/8/2013 4:36pm
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Make up whatever shit helps you justify your argument and makes you feel better. It's always amusing. I have 7 actively race 2-strokes in my shop...
Make up whatever shit helps you justify your argument and makes you feel better. It's always amusing. I have 7 actively race 2-strokes in my shop and one thumper ( not counting three pitbikes). I keep up on maintenance on all of them and the 2-strokes require more day to day work. Nowhere did I state that full rebuilds, etc were cheaper, quite the opposite. Maybe get off being stuck on stupid & learn to read wee bit better?

As for two-strokes being safer because they are more dangerous? Do you people even read what you type?

Just because you can't afford to ride a 4-stroke doesn't make them an inferior bike. Ride what you want but at least learn to give objective advice....................
bro,

given your screen-name and your stance on 4-strokes, your opinion on this matter carries the weight of a gnats fart with me.

no worries, ride whatever color, size, stroke you want and enjoy it.

chicks dig it though and aren't we all just trying to get to the harry end of a gut?
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11/8/2013 4:39pm
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Make up whatever shit helps you justify your argument and makes you feel better. It's always amusing. I have 7 actively race 2-strokes in my shop...
Make up whatever shit helps you justify your argument and makes you feel better. It's always amusing. I have 7 actively race 2-strokes in my shop and one thumper ( not counting three pitbikes). I keep up on maintenance on all of them and the 2-strokes require more day to day work. Nowhere did I state that full rebuilds, etc were cheaper, quite the opposite. Maybe get off being stuck on stupid & learn to read wee bit better?

As for two-strokes being safer because they are more dangerous? Do you people even read what you type?

Just because you can't afford to ride a 4-stroke doesn't make them an inferior bike. Ride what you want but at least learn to give objective advice....................
peelout wrote:
bro, given your screen-name and your stance on 4-strokes, your opinion on this matter carries the weight of a gnats fart with me. no worries, ride...
bro,

given your screen-name and your stance on 4-strokes, your opinion on this matter carries the weight of a gnats fart with me.

no worries, ride whatever color, size, stroke you want and enjoy it.

chicks dig it though and aren't we all just trying to get to the harry end of a gut?
U mad Bro? Am I supposed to give a shit what you think of my opinion due to a Vital screen name? That makes me chuckle, but not out loud.......................

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