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Hello. I am very dedicated to mx and want to get in shape for racing. I was wanting to know what the best kind of training to do besides riding because i am public schooled and cant ride all the time. Any advice will help.
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Squats Bro. Lots of squats.
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Have you done any reading at RacerX Virtual Trainer? Go to http://www.racerxvt.com/ and browse around. TONS of info.

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Does a heart rate monitor need to be purchased?
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GMONEY322 wrote:
Does a heart rate monitor need to be purchased?
If you want to check your heart rate
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I think a heart rate monitor would be quite useful. For specific training you really need to be training in heart rate zones. I'd be interested to see what my heart rate is doing at the start of a race and then how it changes throughout the race. With the nervousness and excitement of sitting on the line and heading into the first turn I would imagine my heartrate would be sky high and that it might actually come down as the race goes on. If that is the case then in training you would probably want to be going at a high intensity right from the very beginning (after a warmup obviously) to simulate a race scenario. It would be less useful to start off the exercise at a low intensity and then increase as you went. Just like there would be no point training for a marathon by doing 100m sprints.

Has anyone here used a heart rate monitor in a race, what did it show?
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Do laps till you run out of gas on the hottest days when the track is roughest and the rest is easy!
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Weights and Mountain biking with plenty of of uphills.
Ride as much and as long as you can. Do long motos.
And of course, get to your target weight.
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Radical wrote:
Weights and Mountain biking with plenty of of uphills. Ride as much and as long as you can. Do long motos. And of course, get to...
Weights and Mountain biking with plenty of of uphills.
Ride as much and as long as you can. Do long motos.
And of course, get to your target weight.
Do not use weights.
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Running is free
Knee replacements are not.
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Stretching. Lots of stretching.
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Swimming is one of the best cardo exercises, in my opinion. I'm also a big fan of the rowing machine.
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You do not want bulk so lift light weights and lots of reps. Do these aerobically. You need long lean muscles. As previously noted stretching is very important for flexibility. Flexibility will help minimize broken bones when u make an error.

The Mtn or road bike is good for endurance and yes use a HR Monitor...do not go anaerobic in our training. Google this.

Ride your dirt bike as much as you can - it's suppose to be fun and fun leads to successSmile
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Running is free
Grizz wrote:
Knee replacements are not.
For someone criticizing you aren't offering any input.....
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IWreckALot wrote:
Hire Aldon Baker. Best bang for your buck.
hahaha... that made me laugh.

Read this thread from top to bottom. Fuckin pack of assholes all of us! haha...
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Grizz obviously is anti-training.

You can run. (Watch proper running techniques on youtube) dont run like a gorilla

Ride a bike or rowing machine. I choose a bike or rowing machine for cardio over running.

You can lift weights (not powerlifter style) however weights are fantastic in a solid mx program(see Ryno or Aldon train their riders)

Pushups and pull-ups are also great (your own bodyweight is great resistance)

Strong core

Strong legs

Strong cardio

Experiment with different exercises that kick your butt in all areas mentioned above. What works for one guy may not work for you.

Putting in motos several times a week gets your comfort, bike skills, and bike conditioning built up.

You can take my suggestions or leave them, but figured i'd put a little something to think about.
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If I were your trainer:

IQ: Moto Intelligence- practice, race, watch video and pro (DVD such as Semics, hire riding coaching (Ryan Hughes, Tony D, Donnie Hansen, Gary Bailey, Local Pro etc)

EQ: Emotional Intelligence- being in the moment (breathing exercises - limit forearm pump and crashing and increase attention), eliminating past (mistakes, crashes, passes), ownership, riding without personal handicap

BQ: Body Quotient - Rest, diet, fitness. No gluten, no processed foods, high quality meat, raw foods, plenty of water. Fitness 3 to 4 times a week circuit training. Concentrate on core and leg strength, Cardio 20 to 30 minutes

MQ: Moral Quotient - race with in the rules, be fair, no dirty riding
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bd wrote:
If I were your trainer: IQ: Moto Intelligence- practice, race, watch video and pro (DVD such as Semics, hire riding coaching (Ryan Hughes, Tony D, Donnie...
If I were your trainer:

IQ: Moto Intelligence- practice, race, watch video and pro (DVD such as Semics, hire riding coaching (Ryan Hughes, Tony D, Donnie Hansen, Gary Bailey, Local Pro etc)

EQ: Emotional Intelligence- being in the moment (breathing exercises - limit forearm pump and crashing and increase attention), eliminating past (mistakes, crashes, passes), ownership, riding without personal handicap

BQ: Body Quotient - Rest, diet, fitness. No gluten, no processed foods, high quality meat, raw foods, plenty of water. Fitness 3 to 4 times a week circuit training. Concentrate on core and leg strength, Cardio 20 to 30 minutes

MQ: Moral Quotient - race with in the rules, be fair, no dirty riding
Lol!
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Running is free
Grizz wrote:
Knee replacements are not.
mx510 wrote:
For someone criticizing you aren't offering any input.....
If that's not input then I don't know what is!
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Grizz wrote:
Do not use weights.
Why?
Because you will most likely do it wrong and be fucked even more. My advice would be to completely stay away from weights if you aren't an expert at using them specifically for motocross training (If you're not Aldon Baker or an equivalent trainer, don't do it).
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Camp332 wrote:
Grizz obviously is anti-training. You can run. (Watch proper running techniques on youtube) dont run like a gorilla Ride a bike or rowing machine. I choose...
Grizz obviously is anti-training.

You can run. (Watch proper running techniques on youtube) dont run like a gorilla

Ride a bike or rowing machine. I choose a bike or rowing machine for cardio over running.

You can lift weights (not powerlifter style) however weights are fantastic in a solid mx program(see Ryno or Aldon train their riders)

Pushups and pull-ups are also great (your own bodyweight is great resistance)

Strong core

Strong legs

Strong cardio

Experiment with different exercises that kick your butt in all areas mentioned above. What works for one guy may not work for you.

Putting in motos several times a week gets your comfort, bike skills, and bike conditioning built up.

You can take my suggestions or leave them, but figured i'd put a little something to think about.
Well, you said what I should have said. If you can bike or use a rowing machine, do that instead of running. For me personally running hurts my knees to much.

It's all about cardio and riding as much as possible for the average local racer.
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Grizz wrote:
Do not use weights.
Why?
Grizz wrote:
Because you will most likely do it wrong and be fucked even more. My advice would be to completely stay away from weights if you aren't...
Because you will most likely do it wrong and be fucked even more. My advice would be to completely stay away from weights if you aren't an expert at using them specifically for motocross training (If you're not Aldon Baker or an equivalent trainer, don't do it).
Weights are used for training for all sports. The stronger you are the better. Go for 8-12 reps to failure on most exercises, not 20-30 reps, unless you want to spend all day in the gym.
When you can do 12 reps, add 5 lbs. Always lift until failure. The exception is when working forearms. Go for 12-16 reps.
Same goes for cardio. Spending an hour on a treadmill is boring and not going to increase your endurance like riding a mountain bike for 30 minutes at a high intensity level, with plenty of hill climbs.

I don't have all day to lift, so my philosophy is to get to the point.
Train hard, get in, get the work done, get out. Training hard at a high intensity will build muscular endurance. It's different than simply building cardio. Your body will be able to handle the rigors of MX better than if you spin on a bike with no hills for an hour.
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Why?
Grizz wrote:
Because you will most likely do it wrong and be fucked even more. My advice would be to completely stay away from weights if you aren't...
Because you will most likely do it wrong and be fucked even more. My advice would be to completely stay away from weights if you aren't an expert at using them specifically for motocross training (If you're not Aldon Baker or an equivalent trainer, don't do it).
Radical wrote:
Weights are used for training for all sports. The stronger you are the better. Go for 8-12 reps to failure on most exercises, not 20-30 reps...
Weights are used for training for all sports. The stronger you are the better. Go for 8-12 reps to failure on most exercises, not 20-30 reps, unless you want to spend all day in the gym.
When you can do 12 reps, add 5 lbs. Always lift until failure. The exception is when working forearms. Go for 12-16 reps.
Same goes for cardio. Spending an hour on a treadmill is boring and not going to increase your endurance like riding a mountain bike for 30 minutes at a high intensity level, with plenty of hill climbs.

I don't have all day to lift, so my philosophy is to get to the point.
Train hard, get in, get the work done, get out. Training hard at a high intensity will build muscular endurance. It's different than simply building cardio. Your body will be able to handle the rigors of MX better than if you spin on a bike with no hills for an hour.
Do you race often? Because lifting how you just explained it does not work at all for sprinting quick laps or long 30 minute motos. It just doesn't work. Why put your arms through unnecessary stress when you aren't riding. Strength is not nearly important in motocross as cardio.

Proof:



Coty is probably the smallest dude I've seen on a big bike and he can throw it around pretty damn well.
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Why?
Grizz wrote:
Because you will most likely do it wrong and be fucked even more. My advice would be to completely stay away from weights if you aren't...
Because you will most likely do it wrong and be fucked even more. My advice would be to completely stay away from weights if you aren't an expert at using them specifically for motocross training (If you're not Aldon Baker or an equivalent trainer, don't do it).
Radical wrote:
Weights are used for training for all sports. The stronger you are the better. Go for 8-12 reps to failure on most exercises, not 20-30 reps...
Weights are used for training for all sports. The stronger you are the better. Go for 8-12 reps to failure on most exercises, not 20-30 reps, unless you want to spend all day in the gym.
When you can do 12 reps, add 5 lbs. Always lift until failure. The exception is when working forearms. Go for 12-16 reps.
Same goes for cardio. Spending an hour on a treadmill is boring and not going to increase your endurance like riding a mountain bike for 30 minutes at a high intensity level, with plenty of hill climbs.

I don't have all day to lift, so my philosophy is to get to the point.
Train hard, get in, get the work done, get out. Training hard at a high intensity will build muscular endurance. It's different than simply building cardio. Your body will be able to handle the rigors of MX better than if you spin on a bike with no hills for an hour.
However, this is just my personal opinion and what works best for me. Everyone is different.
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*triple post because of internet lag
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9/18/2013 9:52pm Edited Date/Time 9/18/2013 9:55pm
Hi Grizz,

I raced 10 races 2 years ago at 49. I'm 51 now and about to race another series or two.

I mountain bike with crazy dudes who love to climb hills fast. We'll ride for an hour and a half sometimes and guaranteed we're in and out of the aerobic zone.
This type of cardio training is far more intense than running, or cycling on streets, or a treadmill. When I ride like this my resting heart rate when I wake is in the 40's. It works.

Also, you need a good deal of strength for endurance. It also comes into play when you hit the rough stuff, or happen to crash. It's just always good to be strong.
But, I do see skinny dudes (or women) who can tear it up and run lap after lap because of great form. They aren't expending as much energy and don't need as much strength because their weight is distributed such that there isn't much pull or push forward or backward. I'm not there yet. Working on it, but it takes time to get those skills down.

By doing intense cardio and intense weight training, 2 years ago, at 49 years old, my I was doing 50 minute motos on the main or national tracks at Pala. Most of the young dudes were out there for 15 or 20.

Yes, I'm stoked that I can do that, and proud of myself for getting to that point, but my reason for telling you this is to prove that intense weight training plus intense mountain biking plus riding the track full out as often as you can really works!

Plus, when you train like that, you feel like a million bucks!

Looking forward to hearing how others are training.

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