Should Kenny ride 250 Nationals in 2014?

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ty159 9/5/2013 5:12am
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slipdog wrote:
Cliff Notes version: Roczen staying on a 250 - He's only 20, has plenty of time, he should definitely stay in the 250 class. Herlings staying...
Cliff Notes version:

Roczen staying on a 250 - He's only 20, has plenty of time, he should definitely stay in the 250 class.

Herlings staying on a 250 - He's scared to race Cairoli, what a pussy!

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HAR! That's apparently how it works around here....

Personally I think Roczen will be just fine on 450s. I think the second half of the outdoors showed him the importance of training like an animal, and he will be prepared next year....

As far as Herlings, I think it was a KTM decision. They want both GP titles next year and Keeping Herlings in MX2 is their best way toachieve that, plus personally think Herlings would beat TC222 for the title. He'll, I think Herlings is the one GP champ who could actually challenge any rider in any series for the title, whatever the displacement! That kid has skills!
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Jroc 9/5/2013 5:13am
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Maybe he doesn't want to switch back and forth between the 450 and 250 since he has to race 450's in supercross.
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Derpin' DJ 9/5/2013 5:31am
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I think he'll suit the 450 better. He doesn't rev the tits off his 250F like most other 250F guys.

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TeamGreen 9/5/2013 6:16am
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Xeno wrote:
Where would he ride a 125? In the parking lot? What's Musquin doing? (Not right now- next year). If Marvin stays on a 250, then the...
Where would he ride a 125? In the parking lot?

What's Musquin doing? (Not right now- next year). If Marvin stays on a 250, then the dude from Deutschland should ride the 350-450 pumpkin pie bike.
History, my friend...

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Not hammered as in a result...

As in the class is stacked and he'll have to claw past everyone of those guys who is are arguably faster or fitter than he is... as opposed to the 250 class where he's just been faster than the rest...

Truth is if he was as fit as Eli he might have won the last two titles... The 450 is only gonna magnify the difference.
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jamma10 9/5/2013 8:20am
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Roczen is a proven top ten 450 rider already and only 19 years old. It'll be easier for him to get fitter than it will be other riders to get better.
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Park Boys 9/5/2013 9:31am
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Wright_36 wrote:
Other than hangtown if you couldn't see that Tomac was way faster than Roczen you are blind. Where other than hangtown did roczen ever catch and...
Other than hangtown if you couldn't see that Tomac was way faster than Roczen you are blind. Where other than hangtown did roczen ever catch and pass, or pull away from tomac?
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RedBud Moto 2, technically
Thunder Valley Moto 1, Tomac was on him Damn near the while race and couldn't do nothing about it.
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DrSweden 9/5/2013 9:39am
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I'm confused by the rush. Seems "90%" chance of getting a 250 title if he stays, and what, maybe only 20% if he moves up the first year. I 250 trophy looks good on the shelf, and makes history and cash while running top five is just a trying facility for maybe clinch the title 2015...
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Mickolobe7 9/5/2013 10:58am
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Kroc should stay on the 250 and get 2 more titles under his belt then move up! I agree with RC on moving up to fast.
mototed 82 9/5/2013 11:15am
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how about we put this thread on ice for a while , the kids got a "full" series of supercross in the big boy class to survive first
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Wright_36 9/5/2013 11:44am
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Park Boys wrote:
Thunder Valley Moto 1, Tomac was on him Damn near the while race and couldn't do nothing about it.
First moto tomac had trouble getting around roczen. Second moto roczen started right behind tomac, and tomac beat him by what? Like 25 seconds
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GuyB 9/5/2013 11:51am
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Another year in the 250s wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But I think that ship has sailed already, and it sounds like he'll be stepping up his training game for the 450 class, and has said he prefers the 450 out of KTM's available options.
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englishman 9/5/2013 11:54am
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Another year in the 250s wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But I think that ship has sailed already, and it sounds like he'll...
Another year in the 250s wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But I think that ship has sailed already, and it sounds like he'll be stepping up his training game for the 450 class, and has said he prefers the 450 out of KTM's available options.
You sound pretty sure , maybe you should stamp it ?
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stewie94 9/5/2013 12:51pm
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Kenny needs to stay down. He seems to be very up and down when it comes to confidence. He should stay down, train his ass off...
Kenny needs to stay down. He seems to be very up and down when it comes to confidence. He should stay down, train his ass off and do everything in his power to not only win 2 titles next year but completely dominate. Then he can move up to the 450s with some confidence and swagger. This year he had nothing for Tomac and if he moves up he will be a top 5 guy with a podium here and there but not a title threat and by the end of next year he would be mentally crushed and then the talk of him returning to the GPs will be well underway. Roger needs to talk some sense into him.
what???? he beat tomac in sx..............was the points leader for half the mx series ............... what are talking about?? him & tomac were dead even equal till tomac start to catch fire late or midway thru & that millvile crash ( like reed in '11 )
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GuyB wrote:
Another year in the 250s wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But I think that ship has sailed already, and it sounds like he'll...
Another year in the 250s wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But I think that ship has sailed already, and it sounds like he'll be stepping up his training game for the 450 class, and has said he prefers the 450 out of KTM's available options.
this.
wouldnt be a bad choice to race the 250 again obviously BUT I think he would really be more motivated about training when he races around P5-7 in the big class (winning races in the little class probably wont do much for his progress).
Also he is 19 years old, almost 2 years younger than Barcia and Tomac. He learns extremely fast and he will have two more years to improve, I bet he's on a higher level by then than Barcia and Tomac are now...
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DownSouth 9/5/2013 1:02pm
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Mickolobe7 wrote:
Kroc should stay on the 250 and get 2 more titles under his belt then move up! I agree with RC on moving up to fast.
He could not get 2 more 250 titles even if he wanted to. Roczen pointed out of 250 SX because he raced it for 3 years and won a championship so he is off to the 450 class by rule. He can still race 250 MX outdoors if he chooses to.
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Imo way too many guys stay too long in the 250s.... then by the time they hit the 450s all that youthful enthusiasm is gone, plus they've been injured multiple times and simply aren't as fast as they once were....

And what if Kroc stays 250 next year and gets smoked by ac, or Webb, or one of the other young riders? Then his confidence is totally gone for the 450s...
Motocross83 9/5/2013 1:46pm
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Imo way too many guys stay too long in the 250s.... then by the time they hit the 450s all that youthful enthusiasm is gone, plus...
Imo way too many guys stay too long in the 250s.... then by the time they hit the 450s all that youthful enthusiasm is gone, plus they've been injured multiple times and simply aren't as fast as they once were....

And what if Kroc stays 250 next year and gets smoked by ac, or Webb, or one of the other young riders? Then his confidence is totally gone for the 450s...
Anything's possible, but on paper that isn't likely. Ken should be able to get the better of guys like AC and Webb in 2014 (if he decided to race 250s once more I mean).

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Drtbykr 9/5/2013 3:38pm
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yes he should. Slower you move up it seems the longer you are in the game.
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loftyair 9/5/2013 7:11pm
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His best bet is to go home. He might win a c-ship there. He is done here, faster guys ahead and behind him. Not that he isn't fast. With holeshots in 450cc sx, he might end up 3rd at best in individual races. Most likely 5th or so on average. Outdoors he will be even worse, except for the occasional good start races. I don't want him to go home, I love seeing foreigners come over here, give it there best, and still get beat. THat's what makes guys like Bayle, Pourcel, Pichon, Albertyn, Reed, and Langston so great, they did it! But the good 'ole USA needs to continue to dominate this sport. Seems americans rest on laurels a bit, but when we get beat, a bunch of kids come out and dominate again.
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PressPassP 9/5/2013 10:53pm
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loftyair wrote:
His best bet is to go home. He might win a c-ship there. He is done here, faster guys ahead and behind him. Not that he...
His best bet is to go home. He might win a c-ship there. He is done here, faster guys ahead and behind him. Not that he isn't fast. With holeshots in 450cc sx, he might end up 3rd at best in individual races. Most likely 5th or so on average. Outdoors he will be even worse, except for the occasional good start races. I don't want him to go home, I love seeing foreigners come over here, give it there best, and still get beat. THat's what makes guys like Bayle, Pourcel, Pichon, Albertyn, Reed, and Langston so great, they did it! But the good 'ole USA needs to continue to dominate this sport. Seems americans rest on laurels a bit, but when we get beat, a bunch of kids come out and dominate again.
He's certainly not "done" over there after just 2 full seasons in the 250 class,with a liifestyle and culture change,he looked far more like the real deal in the 1st half of the season,Tomac simply came together like nobody imagined,Roczen's every bit as talented as most of those guys you mentioned but certainly hasn't consistently ridden at all like the kid at the MXdN in France before he left Europe

Roczen has to give the 450 class a good shot now he's got settled over there,he's still very young and will learn and improve on the big bike,he's got too be at around say Canard's level right now anyway,who knows where he'll end up

Personally I can't see him getting too near a Championship on a return over here though,he hasn't got the mettle of the real top guys yet and some of those 250 guys he raced with already have a season or 2 under their belts now on the 450,not forgetting Herlings will be moving up too,and like many I belieıve he's faster already and a genuine MX1 title contender right now

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loftyair wrote:
His best bet is to go home. He might win a c-ship there. He is done here, faster guys ahead and behind him. Not that he...
His best bet is to go home. He might win a c-ship there. He is done here, faster guys ahead and behind him. Not that he isn't fast. With holeshots in 450cc sx, he might end up 3rd at best in individual races. Most likely 5th or so on average. Outdoors he will be even worse, except for the occasional good start races. I don't want him to go home, I love seeing foreigners come over here, give it there best, and still get beat. THat's what makes guys like Bayle, Pourcel, Pichon, Albertyn, Reed, and Langston so great, they did it! But the good 'ole USA needs to continue to dominate this sport. Seems americans rest on laurels a bit, but when we get beat, a bunch of kids come out and dominate again.
he is done?! :D
He just won an SX Championship against Tomac (not because of Tomac crashing out, because Roczen had 0 pts at one race as well, Tomac actually scored a point or two after his crash because he was in the main event)
Then he led half of the outdoors and finished second in the end. I dont know how whats bad here (he got beat by Tomac, where are the faster guys behind him??)
Oh and he is NINETEEN, where was Tomac back at this age? He got 4th in the championship outdoors without winning a single race... he should have retired by then huh?
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jamma10 9/6/2013 2:58am
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loftyair wrote:
His best bet is to go home. He might win a c-ship there. He is done here, faster guys ahead and behind him. Not that he...
His best bet is to go home. He might win a c-ship there. He is done here, faster guys ahead and behind him. Not that he isn't fast. With holeshots in 450cc sx, he might end up 3rd at best in individual races. Most likely 5th or so on average. Outdoors he will be even worse, except for the occasional good start races. I don't want him to go home, I love seeing foreigners come over here, give it there best, and still get beat. THat's what makes guys like Bayle, Pourcel, Pichon, Albertyn, Reed, and Langston so great, they did it! But the good 'ole USA needs to continue to dominate this sport. Seems americans rest on laurels a bit, but when we get beat, a bunch of kids come out and dominate again.
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Funyun 9/6/2013 7:35am
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loftyair wrote:
His best bet is to go home. He might win a c-ship there. He is done here, faster guys ahead and behind him. Not that he...
His best bet is to go home. He might win a c-ship there. He is done here, faster guys ahead and behind him. Not that he isn't fast. With holeshots in 450cc sx, he might end up 3rd at best in individual races. Most likely 5th or so on average. Outdoors he will be even worse, except for the occasional good start races. I don't want him to go home, I love seeing foreigners come over here, give it there best, and still get beat. THat's what makes guys like Bayle, Pourcel, Pichon, Albertyn, Reed, and Langston so great, they did it! But the good 'ole USA needs to continue to dominate this sport. Seems americans rest on laurels a bit, but when we get beat, a bunch of kids come out and dominate again.
Didn't the "foreigners" take both 2nd and 3rd place in MX, and almost take both SX titles this year on 250s?
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1-forty-8 9/6/2013 9:08am
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Even if he doesn't win next year on a 450 the kid will get stronger. Once RV retires after 2015 the door is open for a new king. I say move up and learn and be ready for that opportunity, it ain't going to be easy, but you got to be in it to win it.

Time to get serious Mr Roczen.
motokid202 9/11/2013 6:18pm
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kenny cant stay back in 250s... he won the 250SX West Championship.. thats why Tickle had to move up in 2012 and Hahn has to move up this upcomming year. idk how bagget gets to stay back... hes been pro since 09 and won a outdoor championship

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