will ac92 win races next year?

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Edited Date/Time 8/4/2013 12:51pm
with some hair on his nuts and a few races under his belt, will he be the next RC or 800? i say he becomes a big winner!
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8/2/2013 10:55pm
I'd say so, especially in SX
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8/2/2013 11:52pm
The next 800?

Not sure if serious?
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micahb339 wrote:
The next 800?

Not sure if serious?
serious. 800 was never beat coming into the pros like AC....but he never made it. so will AC be bubba/RC, or just a good pro like mike? sick or not, i thought he'd at least grab some holeshots and pull for some laps by now like bell did last year....but we haven't seen that type of raw speed yet....which scares me.
8/3/2013 1:17am
Looks like he may well be overshadowed by guys like Webb,Martin and Bell etc,It's a good job he didn't stay Sandbagging in the Amateur ranks to scoop up even more titles or he'd have been left further behind

Definitely a dissapointment this year,he won't have to face some of the big names next year and that will move him up a few slots,it might bring him on more and he'll grow in stature and confidence,he's a talented kid afterall

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8/3/2013 1:59am
Looks like he may well be overshadowed by guys like Webb,Martin and Bell etc,It's a good job he didn't stay Sandbagging in the Amateur ranks to...
Looks like he may well be overshadowed by guys like Webb,Martin and Bell etc,It's a good job he didn't stay Sandbagging in the Amateur ranks to scoop up even more titles or he'd have been left further behind

Definitely a dissapointment this year,he won't have to face some of the big names next year and that will move him up a few slots,it might bring him on more and he'll grow in stature and confidence,he's a talented kid afterall
16, and getting top 10 in a stack field?
Yup, what a disappointment.

No where near on the bandwagon for this kid, thought everyone who thought he would come out getting wins or even top 5s was stupid but to say his is a disappointment is really stupid.
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8/3/2013 2:39am
Looks like he may well be overshadowed by guys like Webb,Martin and Bell etc,It's a good job he didn't stay Sandbagging in the Amateur ranks to...
Looks like he may well be overshadowed by guys like Webb,Martin and Bell etc,It's a good job he didn't stay Sandbagging in the Amateur ranks to scoop up even more titles or he'd have been left further behind

Definitely a dissapointment this year,he won't have to face some of the big names next year and that will move him up a few slots,it might bring him on more and he'll grow in stature and confidence,he's a talented kid afterall
S.Loyer wrote:
16, and getting top 10 in a stack field? Yup, what a disappointment. No where near on the bandwagon for this kid, thought everyone who thought...
16, and getting top 10 in a stack field?
Yup, what a disappointment.

No where near on the bandwagon for this kid, thought everyone who thought he would come out getting wins or even top 5s was stupid but to say his is a disappointment is really stupid.
Roczen did it at 15, I know I know in that second rated championship and at 17 in that other series
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8/3/2013 2:40am
The kid is really still..." A kid ". I think to really make it in this sport you definitely have to have some strength and fitness behind your riding. I don't thing AC has any of that going on right now.....I mean hell , he looks 12! I'd give him some time because compared to the other kids that just moved up , they look a good 5yrs older....even though they aren't.

I see AC as being a great rider in the future , but I think even next year he may still struggle a "little". But when that kid starts growing some "man muscles".......he'll be a threat.
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8/3/2013 3:43am
I think if he can finish the nationals strong and healthy then i would call it a success. They probably expected a little more but AC said all along that he wanted to gain experience and learn this year. He needs to have a good solid moto where he starts toward the front and stays there for most of a moto. Must be a little humbling though, when your used to winning and all the hype he had. I believe he will win races, and be a chamionship contender in the next few years.
8/3/2013 5:13am
Looks like he may well be overshadowed by guys like Webb,Martin and Bell etc,It's a good job he didn't stay Sandbagging in the Amateur ranks to...
Looks like he may well be overshadowed by guys like Webb,Martin and Bell etc,It's a good job he didn't stay Sandbagging in the Amateur ranks to scoop up even more titles or he'd have been left further behind

Definitely a dissapointment this year,he won't have to face some of the big names next year and that will move him up a few slots,it might bring him on more and he'll grow in stature and confidence,he's a talented kid afterall
S.Loyer wrote:
16, and getting top 10 in a stack field? Yup, what a disappointment. No where near on the bandwagon for this kid, thought everyone who thought...
16, and getting top 10 in a stack field?
Yup, what a disappointment.

No where near on the bandwagon for this kid, thought everyone who thought he would come out getting wins or even top 5s was stupid but to say his is a disappointment is really stupid.
4 top 10 finishes
5 top 15 finishes
1 top 20 finish

If I'm correct,and yes it was stupid for people to say top 5 but with all the hype I think its a dissapointment when other rookies are beating him on lesser equipment and backing that's all,still an achievement don't get me wrong
8/3/2013 5:15am Edited Date/Time 8/3/2013 5:16am
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jeffro503 wrote:
The kid is really still..." A kid ". I think to really make it in this sport you definitely have to have some strength and fitness...
The kid is really still..." A kid ". I think to really make it in this sport you definitely have to have some strength and fitness behind your riding. I don't thing AC has any of that going on right now.....I mean hell , he looks 12! I'd give him some time because compared to the other kids that just moved up , they look a good 5yrs older....even though they aren't.

I see AC as being a great rider in the future , but I think even next year he may still struggle a "little". But when that kid starts growing some "man muscles".......he'll be a threat.
Right on, I can't stand his interviews, with his babybutt skin and baby voice.

He needs to hit the gym.
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8/3/2013 5:17am
steed 2.0 wrote:
Roczen did it at 15, I know I know in that second rated championship and at 17 in that other series
Roczen isn't even as good as that Herrings kid in Europe.
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8/3/2013 5:31am
steed 2.0 wrote:
Roczen did it at 15, I know I know in that second rated championship and at 17 in that other series
slipdog wrote:
Roczen isn't even as good as that Herrings kid in Europe.
they both have the same level, choose your flavor

with regard to AC

The first time I met Ryan Villopoto was at the Ponca City Amateur National in 2005. I had heard a lot of buzz surrounding him. Ryan was touted as “The Next Big Thing.” History has proven that having that label isn’t always a good thing. The motocross industry is constantly searching for the next big name - a cash cow, so to speak. While Villopoto had a lot of hype as he was about to enter the pro scene, for much of his amateur career he was in the shadow of Mike Alessi. The two had a fierce rivalry until Alessi turned pro (at the Millville National in 2004). With Mike “Believe The Hype” Alessi out of the amateur ranks, Villopoto tore up Ponca City and Loretta Lynn’s. I still remember watching Ryan fly around the Ponca City circuit. After the weekend of racing was over I went up and introduced myself. Ryan was a shy kid with messy red hair and a build similar to a young Ricky Carmichael. He was quiet off the bike, but fierce when the gate dropped.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/RYAN-VILLOPOTOS-ASCENSION-TO-TH…
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8/3/2013 5:36am
He's at least winning some bench races!
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8/3/2013 5:47am
Anyone remember a few years ago when the AMA changed the minimum age rule to 18 and AC's dad was quoted as saying "we'll just go to Europe and race the GP's then"?

I wonder how that would've worked out...
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8/3/2013 6:55am
I think he will be a late bloomer and start winning in 2-3 years. I also think he and his camp are doing ir the right way.

They took plenty of time off for his illness.
He is consistently running around the top ten and staying upright.
He is not getting hole shots and wadding it up riding over his head to stay out front ala Zach Bell.

He is full of talent and has his head on straight, he may not be another RC-RV but I believe he will win
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8/3/2013 7:22am
How has he been a big disappointment? Its slightly obvious hes a little bit smaller than some of these guys. In 70+ mins of racing that will add up on your body.


As far as next year, i can see him winning racing for sure. I said it all along, top 10-15 this year and will make huge gains in the off season with a year under his belt. I just hope he stays safe during rookie year of sx. thats the hardest part.

and what about MAKING IT comment...As far as im concerned, hes
made it into the pro ranks and successful at doing it...." hes done what millions of people have just dreamed of doing....
8/3/2013 7:39am
Another factor compared to previous amateur sensations, is that there are more competitive teams these days in that class. Just a few short years ago scoring a PC ride was the dream signing for every aspiring Pro, the deal that could make all the difference. Nowadays Geico Honda and KTM are easily as good as PC, perhaps surpassing Mitch a little bit even. Not that it has anything to do with his results now - of course it's an awesome bike. I just mean in comparison to getting the same ride, say 6 yrs ago etc.

But anyway I still think Adam will come round ahead of any other rookie this year, but it's going to take him a while longer. He was seriously ill this year and that's taken its toll. Some of these things can take months to get over. As a further result from that he also didn't start racing until Budds Creek, by which point those guys are in their groove and usually beginning to peak. By his own admission he has one good moto in him, one race, that's it. To build up the fitness will take time. He's not doing badly considering. So yes, I think he'll win something next year but he has to get his physical conditioning in order.
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8/3/2013 8:56pm
Looks like he may well be overshadowed by guys like Webb,Martin and Bell etc,It's a good job he didn't stay Sandbagging in the Amateur ranks to...
Looks like he may well be overshadowed by guys like Webb,Martin and Bell etc,It's a good job he didn't stay Sandbagging in the Amateur ranks to scoop up even more titles or he'd have been left further behind

Definitely a dissapointment this year,he won't have to face some of the big names next year and that will move him up a few slots,it might bring him on more and he'll grow in stature and confidence,he's a talented kid afterall
S.Loyer wrote:
16, and getting top 10 in a stack field? Yup, what a disappointment. No where near on the bandwagon for this kid, thought everyone who thought...
16, and getting top 10 in a stack field?
Yup, what a disappointment.

No where near on the bandwagon for this kid, thought everyone who thought he would come out getting wins or even top 5s was stupid but to say his is a disappointment is really stupid.
steed 2.0 wrote:
Roczen did it at 15, I know I know in that second rated championship and at 17 in that other series
I'm sorry but when did AC become Roczen? I must of missed that.
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8/3/2013 11:11pm
As long as stays with Aldon and RV, he is going to be fine.....
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S.Loyer wrote:
16, and getting top 10 in a stack field? Yup, what a disappointment. No where near on the bandwagon for this kid, thought everyone who thought...
16, and getting top 10 in a stack field?
Yup, what a disappointment.

No where near on the bandwagon for this kid, thought everyone who thought he would come out getting wins or even top 5s was stupid but to say his is a disappointment is really stupid.
steed 2.0 wrote:
Roczen did it at 15, I know I know in that second rated championship and at 17 in that other series
S.Loyer wrote:
I'm sorry but when did AC become Roczen? I must of missed that.
He was labeled as "The Next Big Thing" like Roczen or Alessi, he's better off without this label IMO
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jeffro503 wrote:
The kid is really still..." A kid ". I think to really make it in this sport you definitely have to have some strength and fitness...
The kid is really still..." A kid ". I think to really make it in this sport you definitely have to have some strength and fitness behind your riding. I don't thing AC has any of that going on right now.....I mean hell , he looks 12! I'd give him some time because compared to the other kids that just moved up , they look a good 5yrs older....even though they aren't.

I see AC as being a great rider in the future , but I think even next year he may still struggle a "little". But when that kid starts growing some "man muscles".......he'll be a threat.
What jeffro said..keeping in mind,while ac's developing,so are the other kids of similar age.
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Another factor compared to previous amateur sensations, is that there are more competitive teams these days in that class. Just a few short years ago scoring...
Another factor compared to previous amateur sensations, is that there are more competitive teams these days in that class. Just a few short years ago scoring a PC ride was the dream signing for every aspiring Pro, the deal that could make all the difference. Nowadays Geico Honda and KTM are easily as good as PC, perhaps surpassing Mitch a little bit even. Not that it has anything to do with his results now - of course it's an awesome bike. I just mean in comparison to getting the same ride, say 6 yrs ago etc.

But anyway I still think Adam will come round ahead of any other rookie this year, but it's going to take him a while longer. He was seriously ill this year and that's taken its toll. Some of these things can take months to get over. As a further result from that he also didn't start racing until Budds Creek, by which point those guys are in their groove and usually beginning to peak. By his own admission he has one good moto in him, one race, that's it. To build up the fitness will take time. He's not doing badly considering. So yes, I think he'll win something next year but he has to get his physical conditioning in order.
Or maybe he's simply just not as good as others and never will be??? Maybe he will end up like #800 and NEVER be that champion rider. Nobody ever thinks of that as a possibility. They just ASSUME he's going to be a champion because of his amateur career. How'd that work out for "the hype"? You HAVE to think about it from both views. It could happen that it never pans out for him. The other "rookies' are doing SOOOOOOOO much better. Illness, young, not big enough, doesn't matter.
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8/4/2013 2:12am
Another factor compared to previous amateur sensations, is that there are more competitive teams these days in that class. Just a few short years ago scoring...
Another factor compared to previous amateur sensations, is that there are more competitive teams these days in that class. Just a few short years ago scoring a PC ride was the dream signing for every aspiring Pro, the deal that could make all the difference. Nowadays Geico Honda and KTM are easily as good as PC, perhaps surpassing Mitch a little bit even. Not that it has anything to do with his results now - of course it's an awesome bike. I just mean in comparison to getting the same ride, say 6 yrs ago etc.

But anyway I still think Adam will come round ahead of any other rookie this year, but it's going to take him a while longer. He was seriously ill this year and that's taken its toll. Some of these things can take months to get over. As a further result from that he also didn't start racing until Budds Creek, by which point those guys are in their groove and usually beginning to peak. By his own admission he has one good moto in him, one race, that's it. To build up the fitness will take time. He's not doing badly considering. So yes, I think he'll win something next year but he has to get his physical conditioning in order.
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Or maybe he's simply just not as good as others and never will be??? Maybe he will end up like #800 and NEVER be that champion...
Or maybe he's simply just not as good as others and never will be??? Maybe he will end up like #800 and NEVER be that champion rider. Nobody ever thinks of that as a possibility. They just ASSUME he's going to be a champion because of his amateur career. How'd that work out for "the hype"? You HAVE to think about it from both views. It could happen that it never pans out for him. The other "rookies' are doing SOOOOOOOO much better. Illness, young, not big enough, doesn't matter.
Or maybe the kid is 16 and just a kid.
And just maybe only riding a big bike for a year he isn't up to par on it.
and maybe that class has a field full of talent right now.

And more than likely that kid will win eventually and will probably be a champion.

Coming from a dude who thought all the hype on this kid was stupid, looking at the stack field and how long he had been on a big bike.
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8/4/2013 3:23am
micahb339 wrote:
The next 800?

Not sure if serious?
hammertime wrote:
serious. 800 was never beat coming into the pros like AC....but he never made it. so will AC be bubba/RC, or just a good pro like...
serious. 800 was never beat coming into the pros like AC....but he never made it. so will AC be bubba/RC, or just a good pro like mike? sick or not, i thought he'd at least grab some holeshots and pull for some laps by now like bell did last year....but we haven't seen that type of raw speed yet....which scares me.
Rv beat 800 a bunch of times on 80s. I think villo even beat Alessi when he was on a yz 80 at a couple amateur nats.
8/4/2013 4:07am
micahb339 wrote:
The next 800?

Not sure if serious?
hammertime wrote:
serious. 800 was never beat coming into the pros like AC....but he never made it. so will AC be bubba/RC, or just a good pro like...
serious. 800 was never beat coming into the pros like AC....but he never made it. so will AC be bubba/RC, or just a good pro like mike? sick or not, i thought he'd at least grab some holeshots and pull for some laps by now like bell did last year....but we haven't seen that type of raw speed yet....which scares me.
Rv beat 800 a bunch of times on 80s. I think villo even beat Alessi when he was on a yz 80 at a couple amateur...
Rv beat 800 a bunch of times on 80s. I think villo even beat Alessi when he was on a yz 80 at a couple amateur nats.
Think your mistaken Fish, according to Tony, RV "NEVER" beat them. I also believe that AC might have benefited from an aditional year in the minors before going pro. A little more time to grow and mature, before joining the big dog fight.
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8/4/2013 6:42am
RV did beat Alessi at a few races. I like AC but if he doesnt start winning next year I dont think he will be an RV/RC. Both of them were small when they came in. I remember Langston saying when RV came to PC and he practiced with him he was shocked at how fast he was and knew he would be his competition. I dont remember what he finished his first race but I know he finished 3rd at Glen Helen in 05 at one of his first races.
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8/4/2013 6:56am
Dungey didn't win a championship until 09. His 3rd full year as a pro. I say leave him alone and let him and his team/crew do their thing.
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8/4/2013 7:46am
Another factor compared to previous amateur sensations, is that there are more competitive teams these days in that class. Just a few short years ago scoring...
Another factor compared to previous amateur sensations, is that there are more competitive teams these days in that class. Just a few short years ago scoring a PC ride was the dream signing for every aspiring Pro, the deal that could make all the difference. Nowadays Geico Honda and KTM are easily as good as PC, perhaps surpassing Mitch a little bit even. Not that it has anything to do with his results now - of course it's an awesome bike. I just mean in comparison to getting the same ride, say 6 yrs ago etc.

But anyway I still think Adam will come round ahead of any other rookie this year, but it's going to take him a while longer. He was seriously ill this year and that's taken its toll. Some of these things can take months to get over. As a further result from that he also didn't start racing until Budds Creek, by which point those guys are in their groove and usually beginning to peak. By his own admission he has one good moto in him, one race, that's it. To build up the fitness will take time. He's not doing badly considering. So yes, I think he'll win something next year but he has to get his physical conditioning in order.
MX7MX wrote:
Or maybe he's simply just not as good as others and never will be??? Maybe he will end up like #800 and NEVER be that champion...
Or maybe he's simply just not as good as others and never will be??? Maybe he will end up like #800 and NEVER be that champion rider. Nobody ever thinks of that as a possibility. They just ASSUME he's going to be a champion because of his amateur career. How'd that work out for "the hype"? You HAVE to think about it from both views. It could happen that it never pans out for him. The other "rookies' are doing SOOOOOOOO much better. Illness, young, not big enough, doesn't matter.
S.Loyer wrote:
Or maybe the kid is 16 and just a kid. And just maybe only riding a big bike for a year he isn't up to par...
Or maybe the kid is 16 and just a kid.
And just maybe only riding a big bike for a year he isn't up to par on it.
and maybe that class has a field full of talent right now.

And more than likely that kid will win eventually and will probably be a champion.

Coming from a dude who thought all the hype on this kid was stupid, looking at the stack field and how long he had been on a big bike.
And it's just been a year this weekend correct. I say this because we saw him at some LLQ's last year and he was qualifying on an 85 and a supermini for Loretta's. So he must have gotten on the big bike about this time last year. This kid raced how many amateur events on a big bike? Did he even race one? I looked at all the big spring races and his name was not in any of them.

To expect a kid to come out and win against this field with less than a year on the big bike? He never raced one time at lorettas on anything larger than a big wheel 85? WTF
8/4/2013 8:38am
We will see if he was right in moving up straight from super mini next week when the Loretta graduates join in at Unadilla. If they show the speed and flash we was expecting from him with all his hype coming into this year, it will look a bad decision on his part moving up so soon.

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