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7/17/2013 11:40pm Edited Date/Time 7/17/2013 11:40pm
Cairoli set the fastest lap all weekend, the fastest race time all weekend, won every moto... and when Herlings caught him, he stepped it up and...
Cairoli set the fastest lap all weekend, the fastest race time all weekend, won every moto... and when Herlings caught him, he stepped it up and Herlings couldn't make the pass!
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Yep. I only saw it on tv but he looked like he had that last moto well under control.
PressPassP wrote:
We got into this in another thread,I'd agree with the OP: I'm a huge Cairoli fan but his laptimes basically got slower over the whole race...
We got into this in another thread,I'd agree with the OP:
I'm a huge Cairoli fan but his laptimes basically got slower over the whole race, laps 11/12/13 slowest of all(possibly a breather but Herlings was longtime into 2nd place so possibly lapped traffic) then picked up to near his previous pace but still slower at the end

Herlings was in a heap in the 1st turn,lost a huge chunk of time while AC holeshot and laid an amazing 1st laptime helped no doubt by the partially-groomed track,a 1.54.7 (his next fastest virtually 1.56 dead on 1st lap 1st Moto!) JH84 back to back Motos,ploughed through 38 riders,getting roosted,taking unfavoured line choices was still chopping into that lead then dropped 3 seconds on lap 15 when him and Guanari clashed just as he was almost on AC,Herlings ran out of steam

At the end IMO Cairoli just had enough,Herlings charge left him plain out of gas,without that crash the race was his for the taking,who on earth can give AC that much advantage and get that close,Cairoli was rubber-necking all Moto,he knew the score,dead last to 2nd was the most impressive MXdN ride I've ever seenSmile

Tony's definately going to have some company
Yeah this is pretty much my analysis exactly.

AC did what he had to do but it's ridiculous to not make an allowance for JH being in basically dead last and then somehow, by some miracle, STILL finding a way up to Cairoli. There's basically no other rider on the planet that could've got that near to Tony under those circumstances. Of course credit to Tony for doing what he had to, we all know he's a superb sand rider. But if both guys had the same good start that day or even with Jeffrey just in the top 15 - imo it's a JH win.
7/17/2013 11:44pm
MotoX85 wrote:
So why doesn't he move up and "actually" race cairoli? If I was the FMOTP, I would definitely want to do everything to prove it. He...
So why doesn't he move up and "actually" race cairoli? If I was the FMOTP, I would definitely want to do everything to prove it. He wont, and neither of them will not come to the US. Both would be lucky to break top 5 in MX and the main in SX.
The reason is simple: Herlings won't move up to MX1 until Cairoli fades or retires because he doesn't rate his chances of winning. He'd rather race...
The reason is simple: Herlings won't move up to MX1 until Cairoli fades or retires because he doesn't rate his chances of winning. He'd rather race lesser competition.
kongols wrote:
Cairoli moved up at age of 23. Herlings is 18.
So what?
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7/17/2013 11:59pm Edited Date/Time 7/17/2013 11:59pm
Cairoli vs Herlings at Lierop would be something!
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7/18/2013 12:00am
The reason is simple: Herlings won't move up to MX1 until Cairoli fades or retires because he doesn't rate his chances of winning. He'd rather race...
The reason is simple: Herlings won't move up to MX1 until Cairoli fades or retires because he doesn't rate his chances of winning. He'd rather race lesser competition.
kongols wrote:
Cairoli moved up at age of 23. Herlings is 18.
So what?
No sane person moves up at age of 18. Only if you can not get a decent ride.

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7/18/2013 12:11am
kongols wrote:
Cairoli moved up at age of 23. Herlings is 18.
So what?
kongols wrote:
No sane person moves up at age of 18. Only if you can not get a decent ride.
Why? He's an adult. Until the rules changed recently he would have HAD to have moved up regardless of his age.
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7/18/2013 12:13am
I think KTM does not want him move up to MX1.

1. Decarli would not like if Herlings took away the title for Cairoli (we all know Herlings is capable of doing that).

2. MX2 Title would be uncertain, With Cairoli in MX1 and Herlings in MX2, they basicly bought both titles for 2014 (without injuries).
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So what?
kongols wrote:
No sane person moves up at age of 18. Only if you can not get a decent ride.
Why? He's an adult. Until the rules changed recently he would have HAD to have moved up regardless of his age.
nfm. And no, he would not move up, he would move to America. As I said, no sane person moves up at age of 18 if you`re not desperate or forced to do it.
7/18/2013 12:30am
kongols wrote:
No sane person moves up at age of 18. Only if you can not get a decent ride.
Why? He's an adult. Until the rules changed recently he would have HAD to have moved up regardless of his age.
kongols wrote:
nfm. And no, he would not move up, he would move to America. As I said, no sane person moves up at age of 18 if...
nfm. And no, he would not move up, he would move to America. As I said, no sane person moves up at age of 18 if you`re not desperate or forced to do it.
I see.

But it doesn't quite chime with his preach to his Twitter followers that they should ''Think big, believe big, act big, and the results will be big''. Does it?
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7/18/2013 12:43am
I see. But it doesn't quite chime with his preach to his Twitter followers that they should ''Think big, believe big, act big, and the results...
I see.

But it doesn't quite chime with his preach to his Twitter followers that they should ''Think big, believe big, act big, and the results will be big''. Does it?
How so? Nevermind, don`t answer it. I see everything I need to know.
7/18/2013 1:41am
gross generalisation and typical:

you guys who aren't from his country, who are they?

I am ultra National and would much rather the English take the win but it's not going to happen anytime soon. Maybe in a year or 2 if our 2nd and 3rd rider step up we can get a podium and that would be very cool Cool and i think it's about f'ing time.

For me I like the underdog in a fight, always have. In fact every weekend i root for anybody other than the favourite regardless of the odds whether it's the AMA or the GP's, the UFC, F1 whatever.
F.F.S. I was rooting for the French the other day - the fucking French Laughing hahahaha my Ancestors will be turning in their graves but it's only for the sake of sport and to see sport take place so I don't mind - it's not war after all.

I think you will find a lot of fans in MX concerning the MXDN are the same, it's not that they want USA to lose - moreso that they want others to win - there is a distinction between the phrases.
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7/18/2013 2:12am
gross generalisation and typical: [i]you guys who aren't from his country, who are they? [/i] I am ultra National and would much rather the English take...
gross generalisation and typical:

you guys who aren't from his country, who are they?

I am ultra National and would much rather the English take the win but it's not going to happen anytime soon. Maybe in a year or 2 if our 2nd and 3rd rider step up we can get a podium and that would be very cool Cool and i think it's about f'ing time.

For me I like the underdog in a fight, always have. In fact every weekend i root for anybody other than the favourite regardless of the odds whether it's the AMA or the GP's, the UFC, F1 whatever.
F.F.S. I was rooting for the French the other day - the fucking French Laughing hahahaha my Ancestors will be turning in their graves but it's only for the sake of sport and to see sport take place so I don't mind - it's not war after all.

I think you will find a lot of fans in MX concerning the MXDN are the same, it's not that they want USA to lose - moreso that they want others to win - there is a distinction between the phrases.
I know i've posted this several times already Smile
Now we are off topic anyway, what's the story behind the new Circuit of Wales? interesting $378M in current economy!

7/18/2013 2:22am
The reason is simple: Herlings won't move up to MX1 until Cairoli fades or retires because he doesn't rate his chances of winning. He'd rather race...
The reason is simple: Herlings won't move up to MX1 until Cairoli fades or retires because he doesn't rate his chances of winning. He'd rather race lesser competition.
7/18/2013 2:34am
gross generalisation and typical: [i]you guys who aren't from his country, who are they? [/i] I am ultra National and would much rather the English take...
gross generalisation and typical:

you guys who aren't from his country, who are they?

I am ultra National and would much rather the English take the win but it's not going to happen anytime soon. Maybe in a year or 2 if our 2nd and 3rd rider step up we can get a podium and that would be very cool Cool and i think it's about f'ing time.

For me I like the underdog in a fight, always have. In fact every weekend i root for anybody other than the favourite regardless of the odds whether it's the AMA or the GP's, the UFC, F1 whatever.
F.F.S. I was rooting for the French the other day - the fucking French Laughing hahahaha my Ancestors will be turning in their graves but it's only for the sake of sport and to see sport take place so I don't mind - it's not war after all.

I think you will find a lot of fans in MX concerning the MXDN are the same, it's not that they want USA to lose - moreso that they want others to win - there is a distinction between the phrases.
steed 2.0 wrote:
I know i've posted this several times already :) Now we are off topic anyway, what's the story behind the new Circuit of Wales? interesting $378M...
I know i've posted this several times already Smile
Now we are off topic anyway, what's the story behind the new Circuit of Wales? interesting $378M in current economy!

who knows where the Welsh are getting their money just lately..............all I know is we keep getting poorer Angry Sad

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7/18/2013 2:35am
The reason is simple: Herlings won't move up to MX1 until Cairoli fades or retires because he doesn't rate his chances of winning. He'd rather race...
The reason is simple: Herlings won't move up to MX1 until Cairoli fades or retires because he doesn't rate his chances of winning. He'd rather race lesser competition.
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Or he could still just be 18, still younger than most of his competition in the 250 class and doesn't want to rush his career.

Why doesn't an American come over to give HIM some competition?
7/18/2013 2:41am
The reason is simple: Herlings won't move up to MX1 until Cairoli fades or retires because he doesn't rate his chances of winning. He'd rather race...
The reason is simple: Herlings won't move up to MX1 until Cairoli fades or retires because he doesn't rate his chances of winning. He'd rather race lesser competition.
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jamma10 wrote:
Or he could still just be 18, still younger than most of his competition in the 250 class and doesn't want to rush his career. Why...
Or he could still just be 18, still younger than most of his competition in the 250 class and doesn't want to rush his career.

Why doesn't an American come over to give HIM some competition?
mate you can't go asking that sort of question......hahaaaa

7/18/2013 2:59am
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So why doesn't he move up and "actually" race cairoli? If I was the FMOTP, I would definitely want to do everything to prove it. He...
So why doesn't he move up and "actually" race cairoli? If I was the FMOTP, I would definitely want to do everything to prove it. He wont, and neither of them will not come to the US. Both would be lucky to break top 5 in MX and the main in SX.
looks like the dumbing down is working Smile and the butt hurt is still strong :p
desalle/strijbos came over on weekends off and were competitive on borrowed half assed bikes

the three top guys a few years ago in mx2 were KR94/MM25/JH84......do i need to say any more

'Both would be lucky to break top 5 in MX and the main in SX' - this was probably said about Ken and Marvin
7/18/2013 3:09am
I think since Herlings never raced in a championship against the best americans,it's all about speculations.On sandtracks,he is the master for sure but on hard tracks imo there are a few who are on the same level or even better.I will predict that Herlings will have tough competition at the next MXDN since it is not his favorite track.
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7/18/2013 4:21am Edited Date/Time 7/18/2013 4:24am
I think since Herlings never raced in a championship against the best americans,it's all about speculations.On sandtracks,he is the master for sure but on hard tracks...
I think since Herlings never raced in a championship against the best americans,it's all about speculations.On sandtracks,he is the master for sure but on hard tracks imo there are a few who are on the same level or even better.I will predict that Herlings will have tough competition at the next MXDN since it is not his favorite track.
Herling probably isn't the best rider on the planet, but he's certainly one of them. Lets leave it at that.
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7/18/2013 4:33am
MotoX85 wrote:
So why doesn't he move up and "actually" race cairoli? If I was the FMOTP, I would definitely want to do everything to prove it. He...
So why doesn't he move up and "actually" race cairoli? If I was the FMOTP, I would definitely want to do everything to prove it. He wont, and neither of them will not come to the US. Both would be lucky to break top 5 in MX and the main in SX.
looks like the dumbing down is working :) and the butt hurt is still strong :p desalle/strijbos came over on weekends off and were competitive on...
looks like the dumbing down is working Smile and the butt hurt is still strong :p
desalle/strijbos came over on weekends off and were competitive on borrowed half assed bikes

the three top guys a few years ago in mx2 were KR94/MM25/JH84......do i need to say any more

'Both would be lucky to break top 5 in MX and the main in SX' - this was probably said about Ken and Marvin
Seriously....borrowed half assed bikes....That half assed bike almost won the 2013 SX championship! The Rockstar Suzuki's are very competitive. If you want to call 5th-10th and over a minute behind the Ryan's competitive...then the US was competitive at last years MXON!
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7/18/2013 6:15am
Aquafresh wrote:
So you don't think your 450 series is competitive?! everyone on the series is at least 1 minute behind the ryans.
I didn't say that, but to make excuses for the difference in Desalle's and Strijbos' finishes in the US compared to the GP's by stating that it's because of uncompetitive machinery is as ridiculous as saying the US team was competitive in last years MXDN.
It's a different series on different tracks...period!

But morans will be morans and say stupid things like Thrillbillie.
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7/18/2013 7:07am
Aquafresh wrote:
So you don't think your 450 series is competitive?! everyone on the series is at least 1 minute behind the ryans.
DonM wrote:
I didn't say that, but to make excuses for the difference in Desalle's and Strijbos' finishes in the US compared to the GP's by stating that...
I didn't say that, but to make excuses for the difference in Desalle's and Strijbos' finishes in the US compared to the GP's by stating that it's because of uncompetitive machinery is as ridiculous as saying the US team was competitive in last years MXDN.
It's a different series on different tracks...period!

But morans will be morans and say stupid things like Thrillbillie.
"morans will be morans"

.... this guy ^
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7/18/2013 7:26am Edited Date/Time 7/18/2013 7:28am
Herlings may be (probably is) one of the best riders in the world right now. But in my opinion, he has yet to be really tested. He was with Roczen and Roczen won (but Herlings was young so not a fair comparisson just like Musquin and Roczen before that). He did well at Lommel but that's his bread and butter (sand tracks). He did well in a moto in the 2011 MXDN but it was a mud moto that didn't go well for the other main competitors. He's a MX2 champion (which is a big deal) but the field wasn't the strongest.

When he completes an entire season against a Roczen, Cairoli, RV, Dungey, Tomac, etc... any of those types of riders and comes out on top or consistently gives them a run for his money, then I think he earns his place as one of the best. Until then I think there are still some quesiton marks, but he's young and has a lot of time to answer them. That is my opinion and not a fact like others seem to think their opinions are.
7/18/2013 7:36am
Aquafresh wrote:
So you don't think your 450 series is competitive?! everyone on the series is at least 1 minute behind the ryans.
DonM wrote:
I didn't say that, but to make excuses for the difference in Desalle's and Strijbos' finishes in the US compared to the GP's by stating that...
I didn't say that, but to make excuses for the difference in Desalle's and Strijbos' finishes in the US compared to the GP's by stating that it's because of uncompetitive machinery is as ridiculous as saying the US team was competitive in last years MXDN.
It's a different series on different tracks...period!

But morans will be morans and say stupid things like Thrillbillie.
they came over and rode non factory equipment, with their suspension....
very unlike the biggest race of the year when the u.s guys came over week/(s) in advance on their own equipment and with plenty of setup time

you are a douche! now STFU
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7/18/2013 7:41am
"He did well in a moto in the 2011 MXDN but it was a mud moto that didn't go well for the other main competitors." ?

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Aquafresh wrote:
So you don't think your 450 series is competitive?! everyone on the series is at least 1 minute behind the ryans.
DonM wrote:
I didn't say that, but to make excuses for the difference in Desalle's and Strijbos' finishes in the US compared to the GP's by stating that...
I didn't say that, but to make excuses for the difference in Desalle's and Strijbos' finishes in the US compared to the GP's by stating that it's because of uncompetitive machinery is as ridiculous as saying the US team was competitive in last years MXDN.
It's a different series on different tracks...period!

But morans will be morans and say stupid things like Thrillbillie.
they came over and rode non factory equipment, with their suspension.... very unlike the biggest race of the year when the u.s guys came over week/(s)...
they came over and rode non factory equipment, with their suspension....
very unlike the biggest race of the year when the u.s guys came over week/(s) in advance on their own equipment and with plenty of setup time

you are a douche! now STFU
Seriously!...why is that you feel a need to make excuses when no excuse is needed? They made the trip from Brazil had the week to prepare, then had an off week to prepare for the next race.
If you could comprehend you would see that I said that you can't compare the series and one of the reasons is that the US doesn't have one off works bikes, they are production based with works suspension parts.
The issue that I had with your post is that you said the bikes they rode were not competitive and you used that as an excuse for their results while here.
Now read this next part slowly so you may be able to comprehend it, "the series can not be compared because they are different so to try and compare the results of a particular rider in both series has no impact on the quality of either series"
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7/18/2013 8:01am
DonM wrote:
Seriously!...why is that you feel a need to make excuses when no excuse is needed? They made the trip from Brazil had the week to prepare...
Seriously!...why is that you feel a need to make excuses when no excuse is needed? They made the trip from Brazil had the week to prepare, then had an off week to prepare for the next race.
If you could comprehend you would see that I said that you can't compare the series and one of the reasons is that the US doesn't have one off works bikes, they are production based with works suspension parts.
The issue that I had with your post is that you said the bikes they rode were not competitive and you used that as an excuse for their results while here.
Now read this next part slowly so you may be able to comprehend it, "the series can not be compared because they are different so to try and compare the results of a particular rider in both series has no impact on the quality of either series"
they are production based with works suspension parts.

LMFAO
7/18/2013 8:04am
DonM wrote:
I didn't say that, but to make excuses for the difference in Desalle's and Strijbos' finishes in the US compared to the GP's by stating that...
I didn't say that, but to make excuses for the difference in Desalle's and Strijbos' finishes in the US compared to the GP's by stating that it's because of uncompetitive machinery is as ridiculous as saying the US team was competitive in last years MXDN.
It's a different series on different tracks...period!

But morans will be morans and say stupid things like Thrillbillie.
they came over and rode non factory equipment, with their suspension.... very unlike the biggest race of the year when the u.s guys came over week/(s)...
they came over and rode non factory equipment, with their suspension....
very unlike the biggest race of the year when the u.s guys came over week/(s) in advance on their own equipment and with plenty of setup time

you are a douche! now STFU
DonM wrote:
Seriously!...why is that you feel a need to make excuses when no excuse is needed? They made the trip from Brazil had the week to prepare...
Seriously!...why is that you feel a need to make excuses when no excuse is needed? They made the trip from Brazil had the week to prepare, then had an off week to prepare for the next race.
If you could comprehend you would see that I said that you can't compare the series and one of the reasons is that the US doesn't have one off works bikes, they are production based with works suspension parts.
The issue that I had with your post is that you said the bikes they rode were not competitive and you used that as an excuse for their results while here.
Now read this next part slowly so you may be able to comprehend it, "the series can not be compared because they are different so to try and compare the results of a particular rider in both series has no impact on the quality of either series"
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7/18/2013 8:38am
jamma10 wrote:
Or he could still just be 18, still younger than most of his competition in the 250 class and doesn't want to rush his career. Why...
Or he could still just be 18, still younger than most of his competition in the 250 class and doesn't want to rush his career.

Why doesn't an American come over to give HIM some competition?
If he doesn't want to rush his career why did Herlings turn pro at such an early age?

Age means less than the fact that he has been pro for 4 years and soon will have 2 world championships in the 250 class. After his domination this year it almost ridiculous that he is going to stay on a 250 again next year.
7/18/2013 8:55am
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[i] "He did well in a moto in the 2011 MXDN but it was a mud moto that didn't go well for the other main competitors."[/i]...
"He did well in a moto in the 2011 MXDN but it was a mud moto that didn't go well for the other main competitors." ?

Steed it's not fair to post this Sick

RV wouldn't really have been trying to beat that kid who isn't quick on hardpack anyway, team result and all that and why would he give a fuck about beating some young punk being touted as the fastest kid to come onto the scene since ............

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7/18/2013 8:56am
that's a good question for Jeffrey... "Why were you in such a rush to sign a multi-million dollar contract with KTM, as opposed to staying an amateur?" Pinch

the fact is, he's staying in Europe and he's staying in MX2.... and no amount of bitching about how good he is, or how he is apparently the only rider on the planet that can train in sand is going to change that

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