Who has used/tried PED'S-

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Edited Date/Time 6/9/2013 2:49pm
And would be willing to talk about it?
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What do you want to know?
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Which PED would help a motocross rider? I know Testosterone would help with getting stronger and some recovery.. HGH for recovery.. Is that it? What are the top guys using? What type cycle would you use for MX? Do they begin to have negative effects if done to long? There is plenty of information out there, but mostly for bodybuilding, for sure not what you want for MX. Just seems like a lot of finger pointing but no one with experience willing to share.
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6/7/2013 7:24pm
I read the thread title too fast and had flashbacks to the 1980's...



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I took a combination of Winstrol, Dianabol and Test. i did it for strength, endurance and to raise the white blood cells for recovery. When I did this I was no expert and I can only guess what they are taking today, but I guarantee HGH is involved.

If abused yes they have a negitive impact, I have a kidney disease that my Dr say my have been the result of them. But again, when I did it I didn't know what I was doing. The riders who are using them have people that know exacly what they are doing and they can cycle safely.

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Thanks for your honesty
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6/7/2013 8:03pm
Which one do you think worked best for endurance?
6/7/2013 8:12pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2013 8:15pm
Testosterone
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UpTiTe wrote:
Testosterone
Complete waste of time and money.

This
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I have used steroids,dont do it. It cost me my marriage, raised my blood pressure and pretty much turned me into an overall asshole. Not worth it, you gotta be a spode to use juice, especially on the amateur level. Train harder, eat better and sleep more, screw the juice do it the right way. Follow these tips and you can still get in excellent shape, trust me. Shit Im 44 and have been juice free for six years and I still have good size.The past two months I have been refocusing my training to cardio for mx, losing a little pump/size but I gotta be able to ride strong for 20 lol!

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6/7/2013 8:35pm
UpTiTe wrote:
Testosterone
Outsider wrote:
Complete waste of time and money.

This
You linked to Test Cyp?
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I have used steroids,dont do it. It cost me my marriage, raised my blood pressure and pretty much turned me into an overall asshole. Not worth...
I have used steroids,dont do it. It cost me my marriage, raised my blood pressure and pretty much turned me into an overall asshole. Not worth it, you gotta be a spode to use juice, especially on the amateur level. Train harder, eat better and sleep more, screw the juice do it the right way. Follow these tips and you can still get in excellent shape, trust me. Shit Im 44 and have been juice free for six years and I still have good size.The past two months I have been refocusing my training to cardio for mx, losing a little pump/size but I gotta be able to ride strong for 20 lol!

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I don't think the kind of juice you're talking about is what motocross riders are interested in. But you are right, the side effects of that stuff are brutal.
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6/7/2013 8:44pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2013 8:48pm
WhKnuckle wrote:
I don't think the kind of juice you're talking about is what motocross riders are interested in. But you are right, the side effects of that...
I don't think the kind of juice you're talking about is what motocross riders are interested in. But you are right, the side effects of that stuff are brutal.
Actually the steroids will be similar its just a different focus in training. A Deca/Cyp dart twice a week will increase strength, endurance and shorten recovery time. To focus on strength your dart may be 75% test and 25% deca while training for endurance you may flip flop that ratio. Or just go 50/50 and dont worry about it, just focus your training for your sport. You also have winny and others to dump off body fat, guess the only thing I really dont have experience with is HGH.

Then there is professional biking level of juicing, thats on a different level!
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6/7/2013 8:51pm
UpTiTe wrote:
I took a combination of Winstrol, Dianabol and Test. i did it for strength, endurance and to raise the white blood cells for recovery. When I...
I took a combination of Winstrol, Dianabol and Test. i did it for strength, endurance and to raise the white blood cells for recovery. When I did this I was no expert and I can only guess what they are taking today, but I guarantee HGH is involved.

If abused yes they have a negitive impact, I have a kidney disease that my Dr say my have been the result of them. But again, when I did it I didn't know what I was doing. The riders who are using them have people that know exacly what they are doing and they can cycle safely.
Uptite.....would all 3 of those things you were taking cause extreme arm pump? Those are mild steroids ( which can actually be bought over the counter in pheromone supplements if you know where to look ).....but I think those would be the wrong things to take.

I have been racing MX on and off for about 35yrs. But over those years I have been into heavy lifting and spent a lot of time in the gym.( not any more......light weights now ) And I know this is going to sound corny.....but I never felt better on a bike unless I was doing everything completely natural. I ( like you ) have experimented with certain things over the years , which they helped me in just about every aspect of life.....except riding.

I've said this before and got slammed by some people on here. But when i was in my later teens , all through my 20's and even into my 30's fitness was never a problem when i actually trained hard. Doing 25-30 min motos full out was something I could do if I trained correctly , ate right and just basically took care of myself.

Some of these young , late teens , mid 20's super fast dudes out there today with professional trainers.....I don't ( for the life of me ) understand why they would need to do any doping??

This is MX....not a friggin triathlon. Our moto's are 30min plus 2 laps. The heart rate and physical conditioning it should take for that is a moderate triathlete pace. Serious triathletes push themselves for hours upon hours without doping....why would a seriously trained 22yr old MX rider need to dope?

God damn man.....all the way up to my mid 30's....I felt indestructible. This was all on my own , with my own training program......so I don't understand how some young professional athlete with professional trainers would need to dope....for a 30 min moto X 2.
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6/7/2013 8:52pm
UpTiTe wrote:
I took a combination of Winstrol, Dianabol and Test. i did it for strength, endurance and to raise the white blood cells for recovery. When I...
I took a combination of Winstrol, Dianabol and Test. i did it for strength, endurance and to raise the white blood cells for recovery. When I did this I was no expert and I can only guess what they are taking today, but I guarantee HGH is involved.

If abused yes they have a negitive impact, I have a kidney disease that my Dr say my have been the result of them. But again, when I did it I didn't know what I was doing. The riders who are using them have people that know exacly what they are doing and they can cycle safely.
Dianabol! man that is old school.
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6/7/2013 9:04pm
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Uptite.....would all 3 of those things you were taking cause extreme arm pump? Those are mild steroids ( which can actually be bought over the counter...
Uptite.....would all 3 of those things you were taking cause extreme arm pump? Those are mild steroids ( which can actually be bought over the counter in pheromone supplements if you know where to look ).....but I think those would be the wrong things to take.

I have been racing MX on and off for about 35yrs. But over those years I have been into heavy lifting and spent a lot of time in the gym.( not any more......light weights now ) And I know this is going to sound corny.....but I never felt better on a bike unless I was doing everything completely natural. I ( like you ) have experimented with certain things over the years , which they helped me in just about every aspect of life.....except riding.

I've said this before and got slammed by some people on here. But when i was in my later teens , all through my 20's and even into my 30's fitness was never a problem when i actually trained hard. Doing 25-30 min motos full out was something I could do if I trained correctly , ate right and just basically took care of myself.

Some of these young , late teens , mid 20's super fast dudes out there today with professional trainers.....I don't ( for the life of me ) understand why they would need to do any doping??

This is MX....not a friggin triathlon. Our moto's are 30min plus 2 laps. The heart rate and physical conditioning it should take for that is a moderate triathlete pace. Serious triathletes push themselves for hours upon hours without doping....why would a seriously trained 22yr old MX rider need to dope?

God damn man.....all the way up to my mid 30's....I felt indestructible. This was all on my own , with my own training program......so I don't understand how some young professional athlete with professional trainers would need to dope....for a 30 min moto X 2.
Well said
6/7/2013 9:12pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2013 9:14pm
UpTiTe wrote:
I took a combination of Winstrol, Dianabol and Test. i did it for strength, endurance and to raise the white blood cells for recovery. When I...
I took a combination of Winstrol, Dianabol and Test. i did it for strength, endurance and to raise the white blood cells for recovery. When I did this I was no expert and I can only guess what they are taking today, but I guarantee HGH is involved.

If abused yes they have a negitive impact, I have a kidney disease that my Dr say my have been the result of them. But again, when I did it I didn't know what I was doing. The riders who are using them have people that know exacly what they are doing and they can cycle safely.
jeffro503 wrote:
Uptite.....would all 3 of those things you were taking cause extreme arm pump? Those are mild steroids ( which can actually be bought over the counter...
Uptite.....would all 3 of those things you were taking cause extreme arm pump? Those are mild steroids ( which can actually be bought over the counter in pheromone supplements if you know where to look ).....but I think those would be the wrong things to take.

I have been racing MX on and off for about 35yrs. But over those years I have been into heavy lifting and spent a lot of time in the gym.( not any more......light weights now ) And I know this is going to sound corny.....but I never felt better on a bike unless I was doing everything completely natural. I ( like you ) have experimented with certain things over the years , which they helped me in just about every aspect of life.....except riding.

I've said this before and got slammed by some people on here. But when i was in my later teens , all through my 20's and even into my 30's fitness was never a problem when i actually trained hard. Doing 25-30 min motos full out was something I could do if I trained correctly , ate right and just basically took care of myself.

Some of these young , late teens , mid 20's super fast dudes out there today with professional trainers.....I don't ( for the life of me ) understand why they would need to do any doping??

This is MX....not a friggin triathlon. Our moto's are 30min plus 2 laps. The heart rate and physical conditioning it should take for that is a moderate triathlete pace. Serious triathletes push themselves for hours upon hours without doping....why would a seriously trained 22yr old MX rider need to dope?

God damn man.....all the way up to my mid 30's....I felt indestructible. This was all on my own , with my own training program......so I don't understand how some young professional athlete with professional trainers would need to dope....for a 30 min moto X 2.
People told me that Dbol would give you arm pump or make my muscles sore but it never did.

I took them in between 83 and 84 because I weighed 115 pounds racing 125s and I wanted to gain weight and strength. I acheived both, I went to 145 pounds and made huge gains in strength at the gym. All those gains carried over onto the bike, I was able to ride to my abilitys without my lack of weight or strength holding me back. I went from getting tired to going 40 minutes without huge drop offs in lap times. I was able to attack everything more agressivly and just felt more confident on the bike.

A seriously trained 22 year old athlete might have the ability to go fast, but lack the genetic make up to do so. All the training in the world wont help a guy who lacks the genetics to be a world class athlete. Some guys can train and have huge gains and can keep off extra weight, others need help.

Proper dieting and hard training will only get you as far as your genetics will allow.

For the record, I don't condone its use because I see it being used in the amatuers where kids are jsut to young to be using it are.
6/7/2013 9:14pm
UpTiTe wrote:
I took a combination of Winstrol, Dianabol and Test. i did it for strength, endurance and to raise the white blood cells for recovery. When I...
I took a combination of Winstrol, Dianabol and Test. i did it for strength, endurance and to raise the white blood cells for recovery. When I did this I was no expert and I can only guess what they are taking today, but I guarantee HGH is involved.

If abused yes they have a negitive impact, I have a kidney disease that my Dr say my have been the result of them. But again, when I did it I didn't know what I was doing. The riders who are using them have people that know exacly what they are doing and they can cycle safely.
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Dianabol! man that is old school.
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Have you seen the movie limitless? Well theres a drug that is pretty close to that and was designed for soldiers that has little to no side effects. Its called Provigil, but you can get generic versions called modifinil and modalert etc. Its like taking kick arse redbull, huge mental focus and endurance properties. I suffer from chronic fatigue and these bad boys get me through. I can only imagine what they would do for a proper racer/athlete. Definitley google it and let me know if you have any questions
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wow... after 30 try some testosterone, cycleled correctly for ester length and half life it is amazing!!! you dont just instantly turn into arnold and it does nothing without proper diet and excercise and proper post cycle... it just makes you feel like you are young again!!!

i for the life of me done understand what the big deal is... i have never had any BP, liver, or kidney issues... ever!!!

and if you think you can take a "natural" test booster like tribulus terrestis and have the same effect you are completly retarded!!!! go talk to a doctor... if test was bad why can you with a prescription go down to your local CVS and pick up 10ml of test???

why is it if you use it in other ways (cancer, AIDS) its a miracle but if you take it to feel better due to lower than normal test levels you are some sort of monster???

get over it, nothing you take without proper training does anything, nieve people still think you stick a needle in your leg and youre a MX champion... come on really? oh and it doesnt turn you into an ass hole and make you loose your wife.... then every 13 year old boy would be "roid raging" since their serum test levels are more than double that of what you can achieve with synthetic test.
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bvm111 wrote:
wow... after 30 try some testosterone, cycleled correctly for ester length and half life it is amazing!!! you dont just instantly turn into arnold and it...
wow... after 30 try some testosterone, cycleled correctly for ester length and half life it is amazing!!! you dont just instantly turn into arnold and it does nothing without proper diet and excercise and proper post cycle... it just makes you feel like you are young again!!!

i for the life of me done understand what the big deal is... i have never had any BP, liver, or kidney issues... ever!!!

and if you think you can take a "natural" test booster like tribulus terrestis and have the same effect you are completly retarded!!!! go talk to a doctor... if test was bad why can you with a prescription go down to your local CVS and pick up 10ml of test???

why is it if you use it in other ways (cancer, AIDS) its a miracle but if you take it to feel better due to lower than normal test levels you are some sort of monster???

get over it, nothing you take without proper training does anything, nieve people still think you stick a needle in your leg and youre a MX champion... come on really? oh and it doesnt turn you into an ass hole and make you loose your wife.... then every 13 year old boy would be "roid raging" since their serum test levels are more than double that of what you can achieve with synthetic test.
Yeah, but you gotta admit that 13 year old boys are pretty psycho.Laughing
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bvm111 wrote:
wow... after 30 try some testosterone, cycleled correctly for ester length and half life it is amazing!!! you dont just instantly turn into arnold and it...
wow... after 30 try some testosterone, cycleled correctly for ester length and half life it is amazing!!! you dont just instantly turn into arnold and it does nothing without proper diet and excercise and proper post cycle... it just makes you feel like you are young again!!!

i for the life of me done understand what the big deal is... i have never had any BP, liver, or kidney issues... ever!!!

and if you think you can take a "natural" test booster like tribulus terrestis and have the same effect you are completly retarded!!!! go talk to a doctor... if test was bad why can you with a prescription go down to your local CVS and pick up 10ml of test???

why is it if you use it in other ways (cancer, AIDS) its a miracle but if you take it to feel better due to lower than normal test levels you are some sort of monster???

get over it, nothing you take without proper training does anything, nieve people still think you stick a needle in your leg and youre a MX champion... come on really? oh and it doesnt turn you into an ass hole and make you loose your wife.... then every 13 year old boy would be "roid raging" since their serum test levels are more than double that of what you can achieve with synthetic test.
Some valid points, others not so much. Site your sources, roid rage exists, believe me. Site your source for your 13 year old boy theory, its crap.
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Not really a smart idea to use any kind of test before your hormones level out at about 25 roughly. Its like playing russian roulette with your endocrine system. You will likely shut down natty test and be on trt for life. Even after 25-30 its not just load and shoot. Theres more stuff you gotta take to prevent serious test sides.... and if you are prone to acne, bitch tits, or male pattern baldness, run away. And the reality is you are wasting money on anobolics if your diet isnt dialed. Its impossible to gain muscle without protein and calories... if its not your gains will start to diminish after your last pin. That being said i feel like a dominant male lion on a little sust250. Lol
6/7/2013 10:12pm Edited Date/Time 6/7/2013 10:29pm
I have tried a few of the adderall type pills used to treat ADD/ADHD to see what the big deal was about. Literally everything I tried to do under the influence of them I did better. Never used it to enhance my performance in MX but based on my previous experiments I'm certain that there would be a benefit.
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Some valid points, others not so much. Site your sources, roid rage exists, believe me. Site your source for your 13 year old boy theory, its...
Some valid points, others not so much. Site your sources, roid rage exists, believe me. Site your source for your 13 year old boy theory, its crap.
Obviously increased test levels can raise aggression but that's mostly in your head.

If anabolics cost you your family you did something very wrong without proper knowledge. I know many many guys at the local gym level who take things and are fine.

For me I'm not going to get into specifics of what I've taken, but I've learned how to deal with the mental side effects. Personally the hardest part for me is coming off, and not being able to hammer it in the gym. I took something initially because I frankly wasn't making anymore gains. I'm not a large frame guy by nature and was stuck at 220. Sure I could have hammered down 10 meals a day, but for what? To get fat? I wasn't interested.

Now I still weigh the same but look better , feel better, and much stronger. It's hard to argue with. I'm not on all the time, not even close but when I feel like I'm hitting a rut, I'll take something for awhile.
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Testosterone does not increase endurance.
6/8/2013 12:28am Edited Date/Time 6/8/2013 12:39am
i think some people just go to the gym on the wrong time of the season , as far that i know is that you should build your stamina / base fitness during the off season the work you put in during the winter should be enough , during the season you just need to ride your bike as much as possible and just maintain your fitness by riding your bicycle just to relax your muscle's

basically a recovery training combined with 2-3 days of dirt bike riding thats about it , during the season
Off season is all in 1-2 days of dirt bike riding max and 4 days in a week

my program in the winter whas like this
Monday recovery
tuesday Gym 2-3 hours + swim 1 hour
Wednesday morning run , dirt bike minimum 1hour + recovery cycling 1 hour
thursday Gym
friday Gym + swim
Saturday cycling 100 - 200 km depends on what fitness level you r
Sunday morning run , Dirt bike minimum 1 hour + recovery cycling 1 hour

when the season come's closer you would start to increase your bike time with 30 min , the last month before the season starts you schould be able to run 3 x 45 min on the dirt bike

schedule would be like this
beginning of your build to season 2014
3x 20 min
after 1 month
3x 30 min
after 2 Months
3x40 min
final month
3x45 min
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TripleFive wrote:
I have tried a few of the adderall type pills used to treat ADD/ADHD to see what the big deal was about. Literally everything I tried...
I have tried a few of the adderall type pills used to treat ADD/ADHD to see what the big deal was about. Literally everything I tried to do under the influence of them I did better. Never used it to enhance my performance in MX but based on my previous experiments I'm certain that there would be a benefit.
Damn that's a huge one Triple Five! Went right over my head and I don't know if anyone has ever mentioned it before. Adderol is pretty close to legal speed. Makes you crazy focus and you have energy for days.
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6/8/2013 2:52am Edited Date/Time 6/8/2013 2:53am
No way you got kidney disease from a couple cycles in 83, Uptite. You would have needed to take massive amounts over an extended period. No I am not a doctor because I see you mentioned yours. You would be surprised how misinformed many doctors are on steroids and are responsible for allot of the fear mongering that goes with them. "Oh you did a couple cycles 30 yrs ago? Yes that's probably what caused your kidney condition." Does that really sound plausible to you?
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jeffro503 wrote:
Uptite.....would all 3 of those things you were taking cause extreme arm pump? Those are mild steroids ( which can actually be bought over the counter...
Uptite.....would all 3 of those things you were taking cause extreme arm pump? Those are mild steroids ( which can actually be bought over the counter in pheromone supplements if you know where to look ).....but I think those would be the wrong things to take.

I have been racing MX on and off for about 35yrs. But over those years I have been into heavy lifting and spent a lot of time in the gym.( not any more......light weights now ) And I know this is going to sound corny.....but I never felt better on a bike unless I was doing everything completely natural. I ( like you ) have experimented with certain things over the years , which they helped me in just about every aspect of life.....except riding.

I've said this before and got slammed by some people on here. But when i was in my later teens , all through my 20's and even into my 30's fitness was never a problem when i actually trained hard. Doing 25-30 min motos full out was something I could do if I trained correctly , ate right and just basically took care of myself.

Some of these young , late teens , mid 20's super fast dudes out there today with professional trainers.....I don't ( for the life of me ) understand why they would need to do any doping??

This is MX....not a friggin triathlon. Our moto's are 30min plus 2 laps. The heart rate and physical conditioning it should take for that is a moderate triathlete pace. Serious triathletes push themselves for hours upon hours without doping....why would a seriously trained 22yr old MX rider need to dope?

God damn man.....all the way up to my mid 30's....I felt indestructible. This was all on my own , with my own training program......so I don't understand how some young professional athlete with professional trainers would need to dope....for a 30 min moto X 2.
jeffro I'm not 100% on this but I think the advantage of the drugs are for recovery during the week to work harder during the week rather than an advantage during the actual races...

again not 100% on this either haha but Marion Jones said something like she didn't see it as cheating because she was doing it so she could work harder to get faster and that spin kinda works for me haha but I still think it's cheating obviously
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Wow..Thanks guys...I really didn't think anyone would chime in and admit to any of this..

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