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RVR 5/29/2013 7:54am
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everyone would be turning around because i seen alot of people go outside the yellow markers.
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The whole re-enter the track at the place where you went off thing? Maybe that was cool when bikes were air-cooled, had one inch wide pegs, and had six inches of travel, but I'm not sure it makes sense now. (And yeah, I'm one of the guys that they blast past on their way to getting back on the track.)

Bullshit Guy-B. these guy's have better bikes it should be easier to get back near where they went off, it's a simple concept back in the day if you went off the track it basically ended your chance at a win.

There needs to be more than a fine for going off the track.

I could play gold on the tour if they didn't count my OB strokes
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KennyT 5/29/2013 8:02am
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The whole re-enter the track at the place where you went off thing? Maybe that was cool when bikes were air-cooled, had one inch wide pegs...
The whole re-enter the track at the place where you went off thing? Maybe that was cool when bikes were air-cooled, had one inch wide pegs, and had six inches of travel, but I'm not sure it makes sense now. (And yeah, I'm one of the guys that they blast past on their way to getting back on the track.)

Bullshit Guy-B. these guy's have better bikes it should be easier to get back near where they went off, it's a simple concept back in the day if you went off the track it basically ended your chance at a win.

There needs to be more than a fine for going off the track.

I could play gold on the tour if they didn't count my OB strokes
That's true Jay. Old drum brakes were like dragging your tennis shoes to slow down

Guy B will change his tune after he has a Dunlop embedded in his ass. You be careful out there, those guys could give a rats ass about plowing over or through you if it means saving a second
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CamP 5/29/2013 8:15am
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Didn't Villopoto almost run over someone on the water truck lane as he was hitting Mach 5 to get back on the track?

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GuyB 5/29/2013 8:17am
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Fines for going off the track? Next you'd be pissing and moaning because the riders aren't hanging it out.

Jay, maybe NASCAR should make the same rule, where you have to return to the track in the same spot you left it? (Yes, I'm being sarcastic.)

Think of the relative speeds, then vs. now. Better bikes? Yeah. But also way higher speeds. WAY higher.

Kenny, i'm having eyes installed in the back of my head after the season. Wink
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reagan 5/29/2013 8:20am
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Sure, shoot me an email, Reagan, and I will get it all itemized for you as soon as I finish with this race in Tennessee. DC@mxsports.com...
Sure, shoot me an email, Reagan, and I will get it all itemized for you as soon as I finish with this race in Tennessee.

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email sent .

i see you had my headline changed MX SPORTS TAKES $25000 FROM MX RIDERS to MX SPORTS FINES RIDERS FOR TRACK CUTTING
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Choppy 5/29/2013 8:26am
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Fines for going off the track? Next you'd be pissing and moaning because the riders aren't hanging it out. Jay, maybe NASCAR should make the same...
Fines for going off the track? Next you'd be pissing and moaning because the riders aren't hanging it out.

Jay, maybe NASCAR should make the same rule, where you have to return to the track in the same spot you left it? (Yes, I'm being sarcastic.)

Think of the relative speeds, then vs. now. Better bikes? Yeah. But also way higher speeds. WAY higher.

Kenny, i'm having eyes installed in the back of my head after the season. Wink
I don't see many NASCAR drivers going off the track and still coming back in the top 3, but I'm sure someone will correct me.
Halfast816 5/29/2013 8:27am
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So theoretically some one could pull the holeshot bobble leave and renter the track all the way around connecting flat and fast sections as long as they don't gain a position and re-enter 'safely' to win the race.........Say rider A has trouble with a section last lap it's close he is leading bobbles exits before said section and re-enters after still maintaining his lead, rider B is furious because this was the section he was setting up the pass. By rule rider A gets the win didn't gain an advantage...
When watching a rider blast through the infield for a hundred yards and enter the track the same speed as they were going on the track doesn't seem correct. It should be re-enter at same place you left the track. Getting out of shape is just a crash where you don't hit the ground. Going to the spot where they exited the track would be no more punishment than picking up a bike and starting it. Probably less with the thumpers of today.
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reagan wrote:
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i see you had my headline changed MX SPORTS TAKES $25000 FROM MX RIDERS to MX SPORTS FINES RIDERS FOR TRACK CUTTING
So will you apologize publicly on here to DC if you and your 'sources' are found to be false?
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Choppy 5/29/2013 8:29am
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Sure, shoot me an email, Reagan, and I will get it all itemized for you as soon as I finish with this race in Tennessee. DC@mxsports.com...
Sure, shoot me an email, Reagan, and I will get it all itemized for you as soon as I finish with this race in Tennessee.

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reagan wrote:
email sent .

i see you had my headline changed MX SPORTS TAKES $25000 FROM MX RIDERS to MX SPORTS FINES RIDERS FOR TRACK CUTTING
Are you releated to Mr.Info/friends with the guy?
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DC 5/29/2013 8:32am
5/29/2013 8:32am Edited Date/Time 5/29/2013 8:38am
I didn't change your headline, Reagan, but I am glad someone did since it was bogus and misleading in the first place. It is correct now: MX Sports is fining riders for track cutting, but about $24,500 less than you posted.

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Shawn142 5/29/2013 8:32am
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How much were the riders fined in past two races? i will be happy to post that amount and the riders who were fined and the...
How much were the riders fined in past two races? i will be happy to post that amount and the riders who were fined and the fines for each.

it will be good bench racing also,since everyone has seen how many top riders have gone off track this might make for good notes comparing.
So let me get this straight.. you come on here claiming something as fact and it gets slapped down by the man who would know. Instead of conceding that maybe you were wrong or mis-informed you start demanding not just answers, but a freaking detailed list. Boy.. not very long ago you would walk away from a conversation like this minus some teeth. You are truly a member of the entitled 'Merica movement, aka an idiot who speaks before thinking.
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DC wrote:
Sure, shoot me an email, Reagan, and I will get it all itemized for you as soon as I finish with this race in Tennessee. DC@mxsports.com...
Sure, shoot me an email, Reagan, and I will get it all itemized for you as soon as I finish with this race in Tennessee.

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reagan wrote:
email sent .

i see you had my headline changed MX SPORTS TAKES $25000 FROM MX RIDERS to MX SPORTS FINES RIDERS FOR TRACK CUTTING
Of course it was changed, it was horseshit to begin with.
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reagan 5/29/2013 8:37am
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How much were the riders fined in past two races? i will be happy to post that amount and the riders who were fined and the...
How much were the riders fined in past two races? i will be happy to post that amount and the riders who were fined and the fines for each.

it will be good bench racing also,since everyone has seen how many top riders have gone off track this might make for good notes comparing.
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So let me get this straight.. you come on here claiming something as fact and it gets slapped down by the man who would know. Instead...
So let me get this straight.. you come on here claiming something as fact and it gets slapped down by the man who would know. Instead of conceding that maybe you were wrong or mis-informed you start demanding not just answers, but a freaking detailed list. Boy.. not very long ago you would walk away from a conversation like this minus some teeth. You are truly a member of the entitled 'Merica movement, aka an idiot who speaks before thinking.
what i am is not part of the mafia who controls this sport and most likely you as well.
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IWreckALot 5/29/2013 8:38am
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I did hear a mention of this during the rider's meeting last week. (I was passing by on my way to shoot some Pit Bits stuff)...
I did hear a mention of this during the rider's meeting last week. (I was passing by on my way to shoot some Pit Bits stuff).

They've been trying to enforce the edge of the track limit for a while now. I remember watching an MX sports official (pad in hand, in a very obvious spot) standing in a section where riders were running inside the stakes at Unadilla last year.

I don't think anyone is saying riders can't run off the track (like RV did last week), they're just trying to cut down the willful track cutting. Apparently there was rather large section in Hangtown where some riders were making cuts.

After Thursday's press day in Thunder Valley, officials were asking Eli Tomac if there were sections that needed to be wider. They do listen.

On the other hand, I did have a rider laugh and tell me that he skidded across a section of the yellow stakes on a parade lap one time in an effort to widen a line before the start of a moto.

The whole re-enter the track at the place where you went off thing? Maybe that was cool when bikes were air-cooled, had one inch wide pegs, and had six inches of travel, but I'm not sure it makes sense now. (And yeah, I'm one of the guys that they blast past on their way to getting back on the track.)

I'm just glad Monster doesn't sponsor the outdoor season, too, so people can't lose their minds saying that the officials are biased toward RV because of the series sponsor. Wink
I'm glad you came here and said this. I think everyone is confused between intentionally cutting the track and cross rutting and deviating slightly. Or catching a kicker, or misjudging a jump. No need to penalize for a riding mistake but someone strategically cutting a corner to gain an advantage lap after lap. . . definitely needs a penalty.
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lappedrider 5/29/2013 8:39am
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I think if you are going to hurl accusations and demand answers you should sign you name to the request.
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DC 5/29/2013 8:45am
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Another day in virtual paradise... Guess it comes with the job.

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SPYGUY 5/29/2013 8:50am
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When a rider is off the track he should have to coast / ride at just above idle speed until he's able to find a place to safely re-enter the race track.

Going WFO on the side of the track should not be tolerated the way it seems to be.

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msp138 5/29/2013 8:53am
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Another day in virtual paradise... Guess it comes with the job.

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You are doing great DC! I was gone all weekend and came back home to perfectly dvr filled of great racing coverage! If anyone bitches they need to remember it on espn a week later. I give you credit for not letting people post false statements about the organization you are a big part of.
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Wolfman 5/29/2013 8:55am
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SPYGUY wrote:
When a rider is off the track he should have to coast / ride at just above idle speed until he's able to find a place...
When a rider is off the track he should have to coast / ride at just above idle speed until he's able to find a place to safely re-enter the race track.

Going WFO on the side of the track should not be tolerated the way it seems to be.
Exactly.
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When a rider is off the track he should have to coast / ride at just above idle speed until he's able to find a place...
When a rider is off the track he should have to coast / ride at just above idle speed until he's able to find a place to safely re-enter the race track.

Going WFO on the side of the track should not be tolerated the way it seems to be.
This^^^^
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motomike137 5/29/2013 8:59am
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Im old school but I land somewhere in the middle on the inadverdant track "leaving" Cool I see where having to come back on where you left isn't really feasible or safe at times but I think you should have to cool your jets and ride in a very demonstrably safe manner and re-enter cautiously. A hard thing to judge I realize but watching these guys go outside the markers and just leaving it pinned is and advantge that you just should not be allowed. If it means that RV or whoever has to pin it a little less because he knows that he can't afford a trip off the racing surface than so be it. And as for any blatant track cutting that should warrant a very stiff penalty such as being docked a lap. Now with all that being said I think the courses need work on how they are marked and what constitutes racing surface and what does not. Watching the MXoN last year that track had it's own way of penalizing riders that went out of bounds in the form of that track fencing/netting. I see it as a work in progress and just don't want to see these guys get any more nonchalant about blowing off the track and not thinking twice about it.
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I agree with the penalties, just not the penalty of money. Docking a few positions or points is plenty enough of a penalty. Some of these guys are struggling to make it to the races each week and here they are getting fined while doing their jobs. A good comparison of this same concept destroying a sport is the NFL. The NFL is much more boring and less interesting since they started handing out fines to players that hit to hard or hit the wrong way. A 15 yard penalty is plenty. Reading the NFL penalties every week is like reading the damn police log in the local newspaper. I have never once been fined money at my job.
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mxpappy711 5/29/2013 9:03am
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DC, most of us appreciate what you and you family have done for the sport. I know I do, some people just want to bitch for the sake of bitching. Thanks for coming on here and telling your side instead of letting BS like this go unanswered. Been riding and spectating at your families events since the early 80's when your dad walked through the woods posting arrows on trees where there was no trail. He would be proud of what have done, that is a fact.
See you this weekend, hope all goes well.
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Choppy 5/29/2013 9:21am
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I agree with the penalties, just not the penalty of money. Docking a few positions or points is plenty enough of a penalty. Some of these...
I agree with the penalties, just not the penalty of money. Docking a few positions or points is plenty enough of a penalty. Some of these guys are struggling to make it to the races each week and here they are getting fined while doing their jobs. A good comparison of this same concept destroying a sport is the NFL. The NFL is much more boring and less interesting since they started handing out fines to players that hit to hard or hit the wrong way. A 15 yard penalty is plenty. Reading the NFL penalties every week is like reading the damn police log in the local newspaper. I have never once been fined money at my job.
If you don't want to get fined dont cut the track.
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the mob-mentality of this place makes me shake my head in disgust that i even post here. can't believe i read all 3 pages
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GuyB 5/29/2013 9:24am
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Sure, shoot me an email, Reagan, and I will get it all itemized for you as soon as I finish with this race in Tennessee. DC@mxsports.com...
Sure, shoot me an email, Reagan, and I will get it all itemized for you as soon as I finish with this race in Tennessee.

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reagan wrote:
email sent .

i see you had my headline changed MX SPORTS TAKES $25000 FROM MX RIDERS to MX SPORTS FINES RIDERS FOR TRACK CUTTING
Settle down, Beavis. I edit titles, posts, etc., all the time. It comes with trying to keep this a level playing field for all.

You made your point, got a message back from DC, and an offer of a direct line to talk about it. What else would you like?
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motomike137 5/29/2013 9:29am
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peelout wrote:
the mob-mentality of this place makes me shake my head in disgust that i even post here. can't believe i read all 3 pages
Like most of the posts on here I think there is some good discussion to be found here but a lot of the posters are bound and determined to live up to the name "Vitard". (edited...lol)
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SPYGUY wrote:
When a rider is off the track he should have to coast / ride at just above idle speed until he's able to find a place...
When a rider is off the track he should have to coast / ride at just above idle speed until he's able to find a place to safely re-enter the race track.

Going WFO on the side of the track should not be tolerated the way it seems to be.
Wolfman wrote:
Exactly.
One lap penalty for riding above idle speed off the track....That will work. :-)
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Rooster 5/29/2013 9:36am
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Is it not customary for a race series to publicize any infractions that require a fine or suspension?

Or are these some sort of double secret probationary fine?

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