Is there a "go fast" gene?

3/21/2013 5:13am
Not a go fast gene as much as a go fast attitude.
3/21/2013 5:29am
I guess I have this gene when it comes to playing Mx vs. Atv reflex on the xbox. Because I never let off the gas and whip glitch like a mofo to hit all the big jumps bro.
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3/21/2013 5:40am
I saw a documentary once (can't remember where), but it had athletes that were all very successful in their given discipline (Michael Jordan, Tiger woods, etc). It said they all had at least 20/20 vision or better and concluded that most superior athletes had great vision. I also agree with others on their abiliity to process information is huge along with balance some have naturally.

I can't think of the name of the video, but there is an old McGrath video out there where he is on camera about 7-10 years old in front of his parents house and doing some pretty skillful things on a bmx bike. I remember watching it and thinking you could even see back then, his coordination level was head and shoulders above most adults.

I think you have to be born with it. For some (like me) you can go relativly fast with some hard work and practice, but not a chance at all of ever making it in the professional ranks. I'm a firm believer that even with the best equipment and years of commitment I do not posses the skill set or "go fast gene" to make it at the professional level. But I sure enjoy trying.
3/21/2013 6:41am
Eugenics on Vital!

Hahahahaha holy shit, I've seen it all.

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3/21/2013 6:47am
Gene Numac could "go fast" back in the '90's
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3/21/2013 7:18am
The biggest factor to make a top level sportsman or anything. "The ability to push themselves beyond the limits"

Wether that be hitting 100 golf balls out of a bunker, doing a double backflip, railing the same turn over and over until you don't think about it, jumping the death double (30footer at the local track) lol.

Sure you have to have natural talent, a desire to win, being able to apply themselves. But that is a given in any walk of life to be near the top in any field of life.

The common thing of the top percentiles is that little it extra to push through the fear, unknown, pain barriers.


I am sure if I were to hit the same track day after day without a care in the world both financially, physically I would get faster and faster until something broke (me or the bike). However, that speed would then be programmed into my brain and my processor would be able to cope with that information at that speed. Now repeat pushing harder next time.

Continue that process over and over and you will reach your peak wherever that may be (I am sure all of us are capable of a lot more). Most of us never get near any of our capabilities which is mostly down to the fear of the unknown or failure gene which most posses. These guys don't have the same concerns or sorry not at the same priority levels as the typical rider.

Windham is a prime example. More natural talent than anyone out there. Results amazing but never ever ruled the roost. Too many other guys came and went during his career that had that ability to push it harder than he would allow himself mentally.

Another good example is to look at Carmichael. Hardly a physical specimen in his early pro career. Not a natural athlete and relied on his raw speed. Once that raw speed was not enough he pushed himself physically to become one of if not the fittest riders ever to have graced a motocross circuit. His natural desire to push his physical limits (mental pain barriers as well) was the major factor in him becoming the dominant force he was.
3/21/2013 7:24am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2013 8:48am
[Edit; some topics are too much to handle]

I wonder what this sport would look like at the pro level if each race and gender was represented proportionally at your local amateur track.
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3/21/2013 7:31am
I'm out!
3/21/2013 7:36am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2013 7:40am
Ok, now its SERIOUSLY eugenics.

And Jewish people are better at loaning money, and Norse people are better at pillaging and burning.

Now...what did my college professor say about causation and correlation.....
3/21/2013 7:43am
Ok, now its SERIOUSLY eugenics. And Jewish people are better at loaning money, and Norse people are better at pillaging and burning. Now...what did my college...
Ok, now its SERIOUSLY eugenics.

And Jewish people are better at loaning money, and Norse people are better at pillaging and burning.

Now...what did my college professor say about causation and correlation.....
I guess we are afraid to have a legitimate conversation.
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3/21/2013 7:44am
Ok, now its SERIOUSLY eugenics. And Jewish people are better at loaning money, and Norse people are better at pillaging and burning. Now...what did my college...
Ok, now its SERIOUSLY eugenics.

And Jewish people are better at loaning money, and Norse people are better at pillaging and burning.

Now...what did my college professor say about causation and correlation.....
^You're not even funny bro^
3/21/2013 7:57am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2013 7:58am
If you guys knew how ill-informed you are on the subject, you would realize that it isn't a conversation that is worth having.

What do you know about the human genome? Rh factor? Melanin? Anything? We can have this conversation if you feel like you are equipped to. Go ahead.

I can assure you that starting it off with "why are black guys better at basketball" does not seem to me like someone who is educated on the subject. I don't mean to offend you, and I am not taking a dig at you, but i DID find that hilarious.
3/21/2013 8:46am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2013 9:01am
I am now certain it is best that we do not have this conversation. You might be educated on the nuances of melanin, but your distortion of the point I was making alerts me that many more presuppositions will continue to taint this conversation if we are to continue down this path. WIth a topic as sensitive as race I now realize that broaching the topic in the presence of the Vital braintrust was a mistake.
3/21/2013 8:49am
Ok, so you aren't equipped. No biggie. We can talk about how the Neanderthals became the Basques, if you want, and why they would probably rip on MX bikes.
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3/21/2013 8:59am
^Illusory superiority
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3/21/2013 9:15am
Eugenics on Vital!

Hahahahaha holy shit, I've seen it all.
Dude...I'm not looking for a scientific discussion on the topic...just asking peoples opinions on why some people just go faster than others. I don't understand why you have to get all up on your high horse and look down on all of us? It's the exact conversation I had with my riding buddies in the truck this past Saturday (and none of us were scientists), and I thought it would be fun to hear other peoples opinions on it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Of course, maybe you prefer J-Law threads...or a "does Dungey deserve an * next to his 2012 mx title?"...or "how does the seat bounce work"?...or "why do the pros thank 'the man upstairs' on the podium"....maybe those topics are more to your liking?
3/21/2013 9:25am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2013 9:35am
brocster wrote:
^Illusory superiority
And strawman. And non sequitur.

This is unfortunate; I held T.J., as a poster, in high esteem before this.
3/21/2013 9:34am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2013 9:42am
Titan1 wrote:
Dude...I'm not looking for a scientific discussion on the topic...just asking peoples opinions on why some people just go faster than others. I don't understand why...
Dude...I'm not looking for a scientific discussion on the topic...just asking peoples opinions on why some people just go faster than others. I don't understand why you have to get all up on your high horse and look down on all of us? It's the exact conversation I had with my riding buddies in the truck this past Saturday (and none of us were scientists), and I thought it would be fun to hear other peoples opinions on it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Of course, maybe you prefer J-Law threads...or a "does Dungey deserve an * next to his 2012 mx title?"...or "how does the seat bounce work"?...or "why do the pros thank 'the man upstairs' on the podium"....maybe those topics are more to your liking?
Back off Titan, Thomas Jefferson has a college degree; ergo we are fools for even mentioning these topics in his presence. He's the authority, PERIOD.

If you guys knew how informed [Thomas Jefferson] is on the subject, you would realize that it isn't a conversation that is worth having.
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3/21/2013 10:52am
TJ you seem like an intelligent human being and reading your post it jumps off the page.. Something that's also blantantly obvious is you enjoy insulting others lack of intelligence.. This is a motocross forum not an online college classes dicussion forum.


I might add you joined(if that date is correct) this forum 9 days ago & have emassed 250 posts. I can honestly say I haven't looked at vital 250 times in the last 4-5 months. So if I may ask why do you post so much if most the folks are dumb asses in your eyes?
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3/21/2013 11:05am
Titan1 wrote:
Seriously, though, why do some people just seem to go incredibly fast on everything? For example my brother and I...he's faster than me at everything we...
Seriously, though, why do some people just seem to go incredibly fast on everything?

For example my brother and I...he's faster than me at everything we do (BMX, mountain biking, go carts, motocross, off road, motorcycles). And I think all it comes down to is that he can turn off the "fear/caution" part of his brain better than me. He'll pin it, when I'll let off because the "fear" side of my brain won't allow me to twist the grip.

We ride off road all the time together and we wear POV cameras...and then we'll watch the videos side by side...and it happens over and over again....there will be a particular obstacle (rock, turn, tree, blind spot, whatever) and I'll let off, and he'll just keep it pinned and make a ton of time on me.

So why are some people able to do that better/more often than others? Is it a gene? A personality trait?

Is that what separates a guy like Andrew Short from Ryan Villopoto? Both are in great shape, both are incredibly talented, both have great equipment...but, RV just keeps it pinned when AS lets off a little bit?
Out of our group of riders my brother is always the fastest guy..

He is also the guy that rides the least and doesn't give a sh!t about his bike maintenance or setup.

Its freaking annoying how he makes it look effortless.
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3/21/2013 11:07am
It is a great question. Narrow it down to current SX champions on the track this season. JS, CR, RD and RV. They are all at least healthy enough to race. Each one is incredible on a motorcycle. What is it that allows RV to beat these guys (plus the other fast 16)?
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3/21/2013 11:13am
Titan1 wrote:
Seriously, though, why do some people just seem to go incredibly fast on everything? For example my brother and I...he's faster than me at everything we...
Seriously, though, why do some people just seem to go incredibly fast on everything?

For example my brother and I...he's faster than me at everything we do (BMX, mountain biking, go carts, motocross, off road, motorcycles). And I think all it comes down to is that he can turn off the "fear/caution" part of his brain better than me. He'll pin it, when I'll let off because the "fear" side of my brain won't allow me to twist the grip.

We ride off road all the time together and we wear POV cameras...and then we'll watch the videos side by side...and it happens over and over again....there will be a particular obstacle (rock, turn, tree, blind spot, whatever) and I'll let off, and he'll just keep it pinned and make a ton of time on me.

So why are some people able to do that better/more often than others? Is it a gene? A personality trait?

Is that what separates a guy like Andrew Short from Ryan Villopoto? Both are in great shape, both are incredibly talented, both have great equipment...but, RV just keeps it pinned when AS lets off a little bit?
Ish wrote:
Out of our group of riders my brother is always the fastest guy.. He is also the guy that rides the least and doesn't give a...
Out of our group of riders my brother is always the fastest guy..

He is also the guy that rides the least and doesn't give a sh!t about his bike maintenance or setup.

Its freaking annoying how he makes it look effortless.
That is exactly what I'm talking about. An yes, it is very annoying!

My brother is the same way...a few years ago we pulled a trashed (literally, I'm surprised it even ran) '94 CR250 out of my dads back yard (it'd been sitting in the sun for 5 years or so), and we tinkered around with it and managed to get it started (in fact it ran surprisingly well...once we cleaned the carb, changed the oil, changed the air filter)...I'm not sure if there was even any oil left in the forks or the shock. Anyway, my brother hops on that bike and we head up to a little turn track on public land up the street from my parents house, and he still went fast! I managed to beat him, but only because I could pull him a bit on the straightaways and because I could out brake him going into the corners (the front break master cylinder on that old bike had fork oil all over it).
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3/21/2013 11:28am
Yup....it's called the ginger gene!
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3/21/2013 11:55am
This is a great thread (minus old man Jefferson butting in)

How much of becoming the best is metal? I've heard people visualizing pulling the hole shot or riding the track in their head.

How may of you pull up to the gate and look to see who is there only to place your results mentally because you know who is "faster" than you. I think to be the best it takes a high mental state.
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3/21/2013 12:33pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2013 12:36pm
If you guys knew how ill-informed you are on the subject, you would realize that it isn't a conversation that is worth having. What do you...
If you guys knew how ill-informed you are on the subject, you would realize that it isn't a conversation that is worth having.

What do you know about the human genome? Rh factor? Melanin? Anything? We can have this conversation if you feel like you are equipped to. Go ahead.

I can assure you that starting it off with "why are black guys better at basketball" does not seem to me like someone who is educated on the subject. I don't mean to offend you, and I am not taking a dig at you, but i DID find that hilarious.
I actually think info discussed at this place can sometimes be pretty informative, despite some might might miss adequate education or experience, and if need, it's pretty easy to filter out any debris. No need for frustration, I think you should embrace whatever is offered.

I get a sense that even those "in the know" would newer be able to get a grip on this topic either. So no harm for us, to take a bite either. Wink I know more "simple matters" have a tendency to divide large groups of educated.

From some years within psychiatry, I'm pretty confident we are still to this date pretty clueless about mental illness, as in causation, as in this constant gene vs environment debate mess. Also few really cares to dissect good working brains either (Einstein brain is still studied of course). Sure pet scans are popular, we see a lot of activity in some parts of the brain, but just until recently we didn't get plasticity at all, but now it has became a fact, which all those in favor for therapy have been suggesting for decades. One of the recent findings, a large study/autopsy of brains from London cabdrivers found a growth in hippocampus (memory involvement), because of the obvious need to memorize 10.000 street names by heart. Therefore that spec part of the brain grew, the brain adapted like everything else.

One could suggest a person like Stewart, or RV then would have a similar growth somewhere, since their brain benefits from that a certain behavior, maybe in contrast to maths or whatever some other people benefits out. Basically, it's survival for the fittest, as survival for the most used neurons. Maybe the cerebellum wich orchestra some of our movement would in these cases be enlarged. One could also suggest after watching all these sponsor signs with a only a few names, but where important once since providing for their food and well fortune suggest a rather low use of HippocampusLaughing

As a rider, physician, with focus on psychiatry, I'm still totally clueless in this topic. But my experience, knowledge suggest there's no part of the brain that we can really count out being the smoking gun. There's also so many psychological factors that in many cases override eventual motorcortex, cerebellum, propriception superiority.

I also don't think it's impropriate to suggest, some races, gender, genes come in play, because beneficial evolutional steps, which might lead to clusters in some fields. It has been studied, but it's a risky business, because it's always a back side of the coin that often leads to shit.Dizzy
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3/21/2013 2:12pm
Titan1 wrote:
Seriously, though, why do some people just seem to go incredibly fast on everything? For example my brother and I...he's faster than me at everything we...
Seriously, though, why do some people just seem to go incredibly fast on everything?

For example my brother and I...he's faster than me at everything we do (BMX, mountain biking, go carts, motocross, off road, motorcycles). And I think all it comes down to is that he can turn off the "fear/caution" part of his brain better than me. He'll pin it, when I'll let off because the "fear" side of my brain won't allow me to twist the grip.

We ride off road all the time together and we wear POV cameras...and then we'll watch the videos side by side...and it happens over and over again....there will be a particular obstacle (rock, turn, tree, blind spot, whatever) and I'll let off, and he'll just keep it pinned and make a ton of time on me.

So why are some people able to do that better/more often than others? Is it a gene? A personality trait?

Is that what separates a guy like Andrew Short from Ryan Villopoto? Both are in great shape, both are incredibly talented, both have great equipment...but, RV just keeps it pinned when AS lets off a little bit?
Ish wrote:
Out of our group of riders my brother is always the fastest guy.. He is also the guy that rides the least and doesn't give a...
Out of our group of riders my brother is always the fastest guy..

He is also the guy that rides the least and doesn't give a sh!t about his bike maintenance or setup.

Its freaking annoying how he makes it look effortless.
Titan1 wrote:
That is exactly what I'm talking about. An yes, it is very annoying! My brother is the same way...a few years ago we pulled a trashed...
That is exactly what I'm talking about. An yes, it is very annoying!

My brother is the same way...a few years ago we pulled a trashed (literally, I'm surprised it even ran) '94 CR250 out of my dads back yard (it'd been sitting in the sun for 5 years or so), and we tinkered around with it and managed to get it started (in fact it ran surprisingly well...once we cleaned the carb, changed the oil, changed the air filter)...I'm not sure if there was even any oil left in the forks or the shock. Anyway, my brother hops on that bike and we head up to a little turn track on public land up the street from my parents house, and he still went fast! I managed to beat him, but only because I could pull him a bit on the straightaways and because I could out brake him going into the corners (the front break master cylinder on that old bike had fork oil all over it).
Simply put, we are slower than our brothers because we are pussies and don't want a Darwin Award. Pinch
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3/21/2013 2:17pm
Titan1 wrote:
Seriously, though, why do some people just seem to go incredibly fast on everything? For example my brother and I...he's faster than me at everything we...
Seriously, though, why do some people just seem to go incredibly fast on everything?

For example my brother and I...he's faster than me at everything we do (BMX, mountain biking, go carts, motocross, off road, motorcycles). And I think all it comes down to is that he can turn off the "fear/caution" part of his brain better than me. He'll pin it, when I'll let off because the "fear" side of my brain won't allow me to twist the grip.

We ride off road all the time together and we wear POV cameras...and then we'll watch the videos side by side...and it happens over and over again....there will be a particular obstacle (rock, turn, tree, blind spot, whatever) and I'll let off, and he'll just keep it pinned and make a ton of time on me.

So why are some people able to do that better/more often than others? Is it a gene? A personality trait?

Is that what separates a guy like Andrew Short from Ryan Villopoto? Both are in great shape, both are incredibly talented, both have great equipment...but, RV just keeps it pinned when AS lets off a little bit?
I doubt it but there has to be a "big ass set of hairy boys" gene I'm sure of it.
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3/21/2013 2:19pm
peelout wrote:
seems like the red-heads can twist it a little further. no idea why. had a ginger in my age group BMX racing and we all though...
seems like the red-heads can twist it a little further.

no idea why.

had a ginger in my age group BMX racing and we all though he had a motor on his 20" powerlite.

on a serious note, not to gloat, but i have a group of friends that i'm always that little bit better than them at everything. mx, bmx, dirtjumping, mtnbikes, pool, golf, videogames, baggin' fatties, nunchucks, etc. my one friend takes it personal. i think it's a competitive nature of some people are not willing to be beat. not saying i'm unable to be beat, but i am a very very competitive dude.

good topic Titan, bro
Hmmm...Magoo was a redhead.
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3/21/2013 2:28pm
Holigan wrote:
It is a great question. Narrow it down to current SX champions on the track this season. JS, CR, RD and RV. They are all at...
It is a great question. Narrow it down to current SX champions on the track this season. JS, CR, RD and RV. They are all at least healthy enough to race. Each one is incredible on a motorcycle. What is it that allows RV to beat these guys (plus the other fast 16)?
Leave it on a tad longer... brake a tad later...and make the turn. The desire... deep seated desire to not lose is also a factor. Yer brain will make yer body do whatever it takes to not lose. Consequences are never a part of the equation in that case either.
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3/21/2013 2:36pm
Two words: fear suppression. That's all it is in my opinion.

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