Canard & Barcia

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Edited Date/Time 3/18/2013 9:48pm
I hear that Trey Canard is ok (from his tweets last night) after that nasty fall at Indy on Saturday. I'll tell ya, when he was flopping around not able to get up, my stomach sank...because it looked like it might have been another serious injury for him and that he was in a lot of pain. From the footage of the Asterisk medical guy leading him off the track, he looked super wobbly...and it turned out it was a concussion. But, damn...it could have been so much worse, for BOTH riders. I watched the clip of the two riders side by side over the jump on Saturday night, and couldn't tell if Barcia ran Canard to the edge of the jump face or was it just Canard going for it and losing control?

Is it just me, or does there seem to be a regularity of run-ins between Canard & his teammate Barcia? A few weeks ago, Canard had to pull off the track after an altercation with BamBam that left him with a handful of spokes broken in his front wheel. In his pre-race interview with Erin, Trey called Barcia "overly aggressive" (no shock) and appeared to be pretty pissed at him for the incident. I can also remember a few other times where the two have gotten too close for comfort, and Canard has come out on the worse side of things.

Is there a lot of friction between the two riders?
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3/18/2013 7:34am
Shouldn't be. Lest you forget they were teammates almost 3 years ago.
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3/18/2013 7:34am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2013 7:35am
Barcia is pushing it. When he ran Dungey high it was uncalled for. If I was Trey I'd be pissed too. Karma is going to catch up to Bam-Bam one of these days.
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3/18/2013 8:40am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2013 8:40am
Canard didn't have the speed Barcia was bringing out of the corner, and probably didn't want to be passed that easily, so he scrubbed pretty hard but because he didn't have the speed, he came up short and couldn't save it.

Barcia didn't flinch and I doubt is actively focusing on taking out his teammate. That is just bad PR.

Glad Canard is okay.

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3/18/2013 8:48am
Canard didn't have the speed Barcia was bringing out of the corner, and probably didn't want to be passed that easily, so he scrubbed pretty hard...
Canard didn't have the speed Barcia was bringing out of the corner, and probably didn't want to be passed that easily, so he scrubbed pretty hard but because he didn't have the speed, he came up short and couldn't save it.

Barcia didn't flinch and I doubt is actively focusing on taking out his teammate. That is just bad PR.

Glad Canard is okay.
I'm not accusing Barcia of maliciously trying to take out Canard...although I doubt he gives a damn about PR. What I do agree with is, that Justin generally doesn't show a lot of respect for those he races against, and in his mind TC is just another competitor to deal with. It did look like, in the clip, that Canard flat whipped it hard and lost control...
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3/18/2013 9:11am
I didn't ever get to see the actual take off from Trey.....but the position of the bike and himself looked like he may of gotten cross rutted a little? Not sure if Barcia had anything to do with that. Just glad he is going to be ok.
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3/18/2013 9:31am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2013 9:32am
Instead of all this speculating, it sure would be nice if a member of the media would ASK Canard what happened!
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3/18/2013 9:37am
Instead of all this speculating, it sure would be nice if a member of the media would ASK Canard what happened!
Yep. I just read that because of him scoring a positive on the concussion test, Team Muscle Milk Honda says Canard will probably miss the Toronto round. Bummed for him... Sad
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3/18/2013 9:37am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2013 9:42am
Actually scrap that, I think he just misjudged the landing and didn't have time to bring the back around.
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Canard didn't have the speed Barcia was bringing out of the corner, and probably didn't want to be passed that easily, so he scrubbed pretty hard...
Canard didn't have the speed Barcia was bringing out of the corner, and probably didn't want to be passed that easily, so he scrubbed pretty hard but because he didn't have the speed, he came up short and couldn't save it.

Barcia didn't flinch and I doubt is actively focusing on taking out his teammate. That is just bad PR.

Glad Canard is okay.
davistld01 wrote:
I'm not accusing Barcia of maliciously trying to take out Canard...although I doubt he gives a damn about PR. What I do agree with is, that...
I'm not accusing Barcia of maliciously trying to take out Canard...although I doubt he gives a damn about PR. What I do agree with is, that Justin generally doesn't show a lot of respect for those he races against, and in his mind TC is just another competitor to deal with. It did look like, in the clip, that Canard flat whipped it hard and lost control...
Not saying Barcia took canard out.. But look at Bam Bam running sipes and dungey high.. Theres no point. BAM BAM needs to relax
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3/18/2013 10:09am
Instead of all this speculating, it sure would be nice if a member of the media would ASK Canard what happened!
No way, that makes too much sense!
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Canard didn't have the speed Barcia was bringing out of the corner, and probably didn't want to be passed that easily, so he scrubbed pretty hard...
Canard didn't have the speed Barcia was bringing out of the corner, and probably didn't want to be passed that easily, so he scrubbed pretty hard but because he didn't have the speed, he came up short and couldn't save it.

Barcia didn't flinch and I doubt is actively focusing on taking out his teammate. That is just bad PR.

Glad Canard is okay.
davistld01 wrote:
I'm not accusing Barcia of maliciously trying to take out Canard...although I doubt he gives a damn about PR. What I do agree with is, that...
I'm not accusing Barcia of maliciously trying to take out Canard...although I doubt he gives a damn about PR. What I do agree with is, that Justin generally doesn't show a lot of respect for those he races against, and in his mind TC is just another competitor to deal with. It did look like, in the clip, that Canard flat whipped it hard and lost control...
Mx4life320 wrote:
Not saying Barcia took canard out.. But look at Bam Bam running sipes and dungey high.. Theres no point. BAM BAM needs to relax
In the past I really disliked Barcia. But this season he's been less of the Bam Bam. He's had his moments for sure. But I think this incident with Canard was on Canard as much as I don't like to say it. I watched several times. Barcia didn't whip or anything on that jump. Just a straight jump. I think Canard misjudged the jump.

The incident between Millsaps and Dungey was equally scary. They came together on the landing and could have been ugly for both of them. Glad that one turned out ok.
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3/18/2013 12:24pm
Canard has Scrub issues and you think he would have figured out how to cure it after the last couple of big get offs from over scrubbing everything..
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3/18/2013 12:54pm Edited Date/Time 3/18/2013 12:57pm
Im just super happy it wasnt as bad as it looked, ALL of our hearts collectively sank in the Bench Racing thread when we saw him go down.

From the SCOTT goggles PR:


Trey Canard was on a roll in Indy. Trey was the second fastest qualifier in practice and went on to finish second in his heat race. It looked like Canard was poised to do well in the main, but while moving through the pack, Canard went down hard and suffered a concussion, effectively killing his race. We were glad to see Canard walk away from the crash and hope to see him back soon!
3/18/2013 1:05pm
I'm sorry but that was NOT Canard's fault. He didn't cross rut or come up short or anything. Barcia whiped his bike right into Trey's path and Trey had no where to go. 2nd time this year Bam Bam has taken Trey out of a race. It's BS if you ask me and def not necessary.
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3/18/2013 1:38pm
Imagine to see your teammates bike come fly past you without a rider after a jump, what would be the first thing to would think of?
Is my teammate alive? Is he hurt?

Barcia? Nah, he doesn't even bother to glance in Canards direction. That kind of tells you which type of person he is. No humanity in that case.
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3/18/2013 1:38pm
Trey has stated that he did not think it was Justin's fault.
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TriRacer27 wrote:
I'm sorry but that was NOT Canard's fault. He didn't cross rut or come up short or anything. Barcia whiped his bike right into Trey's path...
I'm sorry but that was NOT Canard's fault. He didn't cross rut or come up short or anything. Barcia whiped his bike right into Trey's path and Trey had no where to go. 2nd time this year Bam Bam has taken Trey out of a race. It's BS if you ask me and def not necessary.
Ooook champ.
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3/18/2013 1:45pm
pretty surprised any of you think that Barcia was at fault there.
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3/18/2013 1:47pm
^ My initial reaction was what did Barcia do when I saw them go off the finish together but after actually seeing what happened it was not Justin's fault. Guessing the guy posted this without seeing the replay.
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3/18/2013 1:47pm
You don't think Barcia crowded Canard's line? Mid flight no less? I thought for sure that was all Barcia at first, I am a little on the fence. Even if Barcia didn't tangle with him, he definitely didn't give him much room which goes back to the teamate thing.
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JeepnMike wrote:
You don't think Barcia crowded Canard's line? Mid flight no less? I thought for sure that was all Barcia at first, I am a little on...
You don't think Barcia crowded Canard's line? Mid flight no less? I thought for sure that was all Barcia at first, I am a little on the fence. Even if Barcia didn't tangle with him, he definitely didn't give him much room which goes back to the teamate thing.
Ping touched on the subject of riders whipping and scrubbing too close to each-other last Friday in Ask-Ping...

Was Barcia close? yeah, but he was making a pass. often they are close when passing.

crowding? i don't know, i can only watch the same video everyone else has accesst to, but i don't think Canard would have crashed if he had not scrubbed. my opinion on the matter.
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3/18/2013 2:02pm Edited Date/Time 3/18/2013 2:03pm
JeepnMike wrote:
You don't think Barcia crowded Canard's line? Mid flight no less? I thought for sure that was all Barcia at first, I am a little on...
You don't think Barcia crowded Canard's line? Mid flight no less? I thought for sure that was all Barcia at first, I am a little on the fence. Even if Barcia didn't tangle with him, he definitely didn't give him much room which goes back to the teamate thing.
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Ping touched on the subject of riders whipping and scrubbing too close to each-other last Friday in Ask-Ping... Was Barcia close? yeah, but he was making...
Ping touched on the subject of riders whipping and scrubbing too close to each-other last Friday in Ask-Ping...

Was Barcia close? yeah, but he was making a pass. often they are close when passing.

crowding? i don't know, i can only watch the same video everyone else has accesst to, but i don't think Canard would have crashed if he had not scrubbed. my opinion on the matter.
Fair enough. I just get a little critical of how folks race and treat their teamates. In a last lap racing for a win I think the situations change a little. But in the middle of the race there is no need for teamates to be rubbing elbows. That may not be the case here, but there is room for speculation Smile
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3/18/2013 2:02pm
I don't know if their back tires touched or anything but clearly their handlebars got tangled. Watch the video full screen and you can see Barcia have to remove his hand from the bar to keep from getting caught up like Trey does. Trey obviously loses his grip at the same point. There may have been other contact too but that explains the loss of his grip.

Honestly it just looks like their lines crossed too close in the air. Barica had the edge, Canard didn't wanna give it up. Barcia does a lot of hairy shit but that just seemed like a bad racing situation.
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peelout wrote:
pretty surprised any of you think that Barcia was at fault there.
I agree with Peely on this one. If you think Barcia is to blame you have to be a 41 fanboy. 100% TC41 error. Trey is a great kid. I hope he survives MX/SX and is able to walk into his after moto career
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3/18/2013 2:07pm Edited Date/Time 3/18/2013 2:09pm
Shawn142 wrote:
I don't know if their back tires touched or anything but clearly their handlebars got tangled. Watch the video full screen and you can see Barcia...
I don't know if their back tires touched or anything but clearly their handlebars got tangled. Watch the video full screen and you can see Barcia have to remove his hand from the bar to keep from getting caught up like Trey does. Trey obviously loses his grip at the same point. There may have been other contact too but that explains the loss of his grip.

Honestly it just looks like their lines crossed too close in the air. Barica had the edge, Canard didn't wanna give it up. Barcia does a lot of hairy shit but that just seemed like a bad racing situation.
Barcia's hand off the bar was to pull a tear-off. you can see him swipe it across and drop it.

i've watched it over and over. i honestly don't think they even touch in the air. close, but not touching. Trey wrecks from scrubbing and shorting the landing still sideways.

maybe i'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time.
3/18/2013 2:27pm
peelout wrote:
pretty surprised any of you think that Barcia was at fault there.
Come on Peel. You know Canard would not have crashed if Barcia hadn't been so close. You also know that you can't expect the guy in front to know what the rider behind him is going to do. If Canard knew Barcia was so close he might not have scrubbed, but it's Barica's responsibility to anticipate where the rider in front of him is going.

Watch the video again. Canard takes off from the very left side of the finish line jump. Barcia took the inside on the corner before - so why is he jumping so close to Canard? Why would he go from the very right side of the track all the way to the left side if it wasn't to try to pinch Trey off for the pass?

From my POV,

Barcia was trying to pinch Trey on the jump to make the pass
Trey didn't realize he was that close since he doesn't have eyes on the back of his head
Justin, who knew exactly how close he was, still whipped it towards Trey and caused the crash



I'm sure Justin didn't mean to cause Trey to wreck but fact is the crash was his fault. Just the way I see it and like you I could be wrong as well.
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TriRacer27 wrote:
I'm sorry but that was NOT Canard's fault. He didn't cross rut or come up short or anything. Barcia whiped his bike right into Trey's path...
I'm sorry but that was NOT Canard's fault. He didn't cross rut or come up short or anything. Barcia whiped his bike right into Trey's path and Trey had no where to go. 2nd time this year Bam Bam has taken Trey out of a race. It's BS if you ask me and def not necessary.
I think you need to go back and watch it again. Canard layed his bike over towards Barcia, Barcia stayed pretty much on his line.

I think Canard was taken by suprise at how close Barcia was, but that was NOT Barcia's fault. This time.

No one to blame in this incident but Trey himself.
3/18/2013 2:49pm
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I'm sorry but that was NOT Canard's fault. He didn't cross rut or come up short or anything. Barcia whiped his bike right into Trey's path...
I'm sorry but that was NOT Canard's fault. He didn't cross rut or come up short or anything. Barcia whiped his bike right into Trey's path and Trey had no where to go. 2nd time this year Bam Bam has taken Trey out of a race. It's BS if you ask me and def not necessary.
Did you even watch the race? Or re watch the video posted in this thread? Its scary to think someone could watch that and then say what you just said.

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