Mx riders versus other athletes

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Titan1 3/13/2013 11:42am
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171motocross wrote:
I dont understand why people compare football and mx. In high school wrestling was by far the hardest sport i did for 6 years. Everyday all...
I dont understand why people compare football and mx. In high school wrestling was by far the hardest sport i did for 6 years. Everyday all of us would dread getting out of school to go to practice to badically kill yourself. Add cutting weight on top of that if you wanna be competitve at the leanest you can get your body to go. It was more physically demanding and mentally demanding than mx for sure.

I realize in mx though you go do 2 motos per class for 5 laps a peice in 90 degree heat sometimes at the local level or a hour 45 minute harescramble. But wrestling the heat was cranked and humid as hell with everyone sweating. Pure hell. Dont get me wrong though mx is my love and its much funner than other sports but its not the hardest most physically demanding thing ive done.
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TDeath21 wrote:
You can't compare sports. It's that simple. At the professional level in any sport, the athletes are going to train themselves the best way possible to...
You can't compare sports. It's that simple. At the professional level in any sport, the athletes are going to train themselves the best way possible to be the best at that sport. The way they train themselves for that sport won't translate to another sport. Had they trained themselves for a different sport, they could have been just as successful. That's why it's impossible to compare.
I agree with not being able to completely compare, but not that a successful athlete would be successful in any other sport. I doubt that Ricky Carmichael would have dominated the 100 meter track world if he and Usain Bolt were to have traded places early on, or that Lebron James would have necessarily been a great MXer at 6'8".
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mx216 3/13/2013 11:50am
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Some of you guys are missing the point here. It has nothing to with you or your friends mom or your cousin that wrestled in high school or played soccer or raced moto at an amateur level. This is in regards to the top athletes across the board of all sports. I'm sure most guys can go ride an okay pace for 30 minutes if they have experience of riding a bike. But to go national level speed for 30, nothing compares. You guys are comparing apples to oranges talking about high school sports versus national and world champions in their respective sports.

And yes you can compare fitness. That is what those test are for, determining the actual fitness of said individual. If someone is in better shape they will score better.
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TDeath21 3/13/2013 11:51am
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TDeath21 wrote:
You can't compare sports. It's that simple. At the professional level in any sport, the athletes are going to train themselves the best way possible to...
You can't compare sports. It's that simple. At the professional level in any sport, the athletes are going to train themselves the best way possible to be the best at that sport. The way they train themselves for that sport won't translate to another sport. Had they trained themselves for a different sport, they could have been just as successful. That's why it's impossible to compare.
APLMAN99 wrote:
I agree with not being able to completely compare, but not that a successful athlete would be successful in any other sport. I doubt that Ricky...
I agree with not being able to completely compare, but not that a successful athlete would be successful in any other sport. I doubt that Ricky Carmichael would have dominated the 100 meter track world if he and Usain Bolt were to have traded places early on, or that Lebron James would have necessarily been a great MXer at 6'8".
That's why I said "could have been" instead of "would have been". Obviously not every athlete could do that.

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maxamillion 125 3/13/2013 11:56am
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171motocross wrote:
I dont understand why people compare football and mx. In high school wrestling was by far the hardest sport i did for 6 years. Everyday all...
I dont understand why people compare football and mx. In high school wrestling was by far the hardest sport i did for 6 years. Everyday all of us would dread getting out of school to go to practice to badically kill yourself. Add cutting weight on top of that if you wanna be competitve at the leanest you can get your body to go. It was more physically demanding and mentally demanding than mx for sure.

I realize in mx though you go do 2 motos per class for 5 laps a peice in 90 degree heat sometimes at the local level or a hour 45 minute harescramble. But wrestling the heat was cranked and humid as hell with everyone sweating. Pure hell. Dont get me wrong though mx is my love and its much funner than other sports but its not the hardest most physically demanding thing ive done.
Glad to hear another wrestlers opinion. MX is definitely tough but it's nothing like wrestling. Wrestling is a lifestyle. The easiest part was the 7 minute match its all the other crap that makes it so damn miserable. Weight cutting, always eating healthy, diet, sprints, injuries, practice, no social life during season etc... In college we would have sprints/weight lifting at 6am until 7:30am and then 2.5hr grueling practice at 4:00 and then go wrestle a tournament saturday and sunday and right back to practice Monday morning.
overthebars39 3/13/2013 12:02pm
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maxamillion 125 wrote:
Glad to hear another wrestlers opinion. MX is definitely tough but it's nothing like wrestling. Wrestling is a lifestyle. The easiest part was the 7 minute...
Glad to hear another wrestlers opinion. MX is definitely tough but it's nothing like wrestling. Wrestling is a lifestyle. The easiest part was the 7 minute match its all the other crap that makes it so damn miserable. Weight cutting, always eating healthy, diet, sprints, injuries, practice, no social life during season etc... In college we would have sprints/weight lifting at 6am until 7:30am and then 2.5hr grueling practice at 4:00 and then go wrestle a tournament saturday and sunday and right back to practice Monday morning.
Every sport is a lifestyle when u start taking it serious.
maxamillion 125 3/13/2013 12:03pm
3/13/2013 12:03pm
mx216 wrote:
Some of you guys are missing the point here. It has nothing to with you or your friends mom or your cousin that wrestled in high...
Some of you guys are missing the point here. It has nothing to with you or your friends mom or your cousin that wrestled in high school or played soccer or raced moto at an amateur level. This is in regards to the top athletes across the board of all sports. I'm sure most guys can go ride an okay pace for 30 minutes if they have experience of riding a bike. But to go national level speed for 30, nothing compares. You guys are comparing apples to oranges talking about high school sports versus national and world champions in their respective sports.

And yes you can compare fitness. That is what those test are for, determining the actual fitness of said individual. If someone is in better shape they will score better.
I was a 3x state champion and 2x College All-American in wrestling. I don't ride anywhere near national speed in mx, i'm a mid pack B level, but I can tell you that IMO mx/sx doesn't hold a candle to what it takes to be an elite wrestler.
overthebars39 3/13/2013 12:12pm
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I was a 3x state champion and 2x College All-American in wrestling. I don't ride anywhere near national speed in mx, i'm a mid pack B...
I was a 3x state champion and 2x College All-American in wrestling. I don't ride anywhere near national speed in mx, i'm a mid pack B level, but I can tell you that IMO mx/sx doesn't hold a candle to what it takes to be an elite wrestler.
So you never got to the elite MX riders. How the hell can u compare it then??
The difference between a lapped pro rider and one on the box is enourmous, just think about the difference of a mid pack B and top pro then.

And nice achievements btw, you'd have to be trained like hell to get those titles.
maxamillion 125 3/13/2013 12:24pm
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maxamillion 125 wrote:
I was a 3x state champion and 2x College All-American in wrestling. I don't ride anywhere near national speed in mx, i'm a mid pack B...
I was a 3x state champion and 2x College All-American in wrestling. I don't ride anywhere near national speed in mx, i'm a mid pack B level, but I can tell you that IMO mx/sx doesn't hold a candle to what it takes to be an elite wrestler.
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So you never got to the elite MX riders. How the hell can u compare it then?? The difference between a lapped pro rider and one...
So you never got to the elite MX riders. How the hell can u compare it then??
The difference between a lapped pro rider and one on the box is enourmous, just think about the difference of a mid pack B and top pro then.

And nice achievements btw, you'd have to be trained like hell to get those titles.
I'm just giving you my opinion man. I realize I have no clue what goes into being a elite MX guy and I'm sure they go through hell as well. I'm just saying the difference to me is the weight cutting and mentality aspect of wrestling. I would loose 6-8lbs at a Friday practice and then not be able to drink any fluids until I weighed in Saturday morning. I would have 1/2 a salad with no dressing and a dry chalky powerbar. If I was lucky enough to get 5 hours of sleep before the tournament I would dream about chugging a gallon of water. I would sit in the sauna and not even start sweating for 30minutes, I would put a chew in and not be able to spit even once. This was a weekly occurrence for 6 straight months. Its that kinda stuff that to me is the difference. Not every elite wrestler cut as much weight as I did but the majority did. I'm sure the top MX guys put in just as much practice time and dedication as I did, but its all the other aspects of wrestling that makes it "harder". I don't expect you to understand it or even agree with me, but I'm just giving you my honest opinion. BTW I absolutely love MX and am not trying to discredit it in any way.
maxamillion 125 3/13/2013 12:39pm
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mx216 wrote:
Some of you guys are missing the point here. It has nothing to with you or your friends mom or your cousin that wrestled in high...
Some of you guys are missing the point here. It has nothing to with you or your friends mom or your cousin that wrestled in high school or played soccer or raced moto at an amateur level. This is in regards to the top athletes across the board of all sports. I'm sure most guys can go ride an okay pace for 30 minutes if they have experience of riding a bike. But to go national level speed for 30, nothing compares. You guys are comparing apples to oranges talking about high school sports versus national and world champions in their respective sports.

And yes you can compare fitness. That is what those test are for, determining the actual fitness of said individual. If someone is in better shape they will score better.
maxamillion 125 wrote:
I was a 3x state champion and 2x College All-American in wrestling. I don't ride anywhere near national speed in mx, i'm a mid pack B...
I was a 3x state champion and 2x College All-American in wrestling. I don't ride anywhere near national speed in mx, i'm a mid pack B level, but I can tell you that IMO mx/sx doesn't hold a candle to what it takes to be an elite wrestler.
you sir then.... are a bad ass. I bet you had/have the six pack to prove it.
thephoenix 3/13/2013 4:16pm
3/13/2013 4:16pm
Stop comparing dumbass local yocals, to top/elite PRO's.

"Fitness" for a particular sport is relative to...guess what...THAT SPORT. Someone tried taking some elite marathon runners...and training them in triathlons. It beat them down, they sucked at it, they were not good at it even with a fair amount of training. Even though they had the cardio fitness, the lack of general mass/strength for swimming and biking long distance did not relate well.

The real fact is each sport's TOP ELITE have massive fitness of SOME form or another. MX certainly ranks highly when you are talking about pro speed on a bombed out outdoor track. The freeway jump fest we call SX does not apply, and that's why you see so many "sx only" riders...it doesn't take near as much "badass" as does outdoors.

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Thomas Jefferson 3/13/2013 4:34pm
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It's hard to explain to Charlie C-class that a large part of the reason the top pros are able to exert themselves for 30 +2 is their flawless technique. The expend less energy than someone who is fighting themselves and the bike. You can always tell the guys who ride the bike with their arms rather than their legs and core like you're supposed to.


To put it in stick-n-ball terms, Nolan Ryan was able to pitch triple digit speeds in his mid 40s because his wind up and delivery were pure butter, where as a guy like Sandy Koufax was on the verge of having his arm amputated after a brief career.
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I don't know how motocross stacks up against other sports, but I ran 3 half marathons this year, and I was running so much I haven't been riding much at all. So I went out to the track today and I could barely do 3 laps at a time, and those weren't even GOOD laps. People don't realize how much energy a motocross rider puts out. You can be in great shape and you'll still have your tongue hanging out if you aren't in RIDING shape.
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Thomas Jefferson wrote:
It's hard to explain to Charlie C-class that a large part of the reason the top pros are able to exert themselves for 30 +2 is...
It's hard to explain to Charlie C-class that a large part of the reason the top pros are able to exert themselves for 30 +2 is their flawless technique. The expend less energy than someone who is fighting themselves and the bike. You can always tell the guys who ride the bike with their arms rather than their legs and core like you're supposed to.


To put it in stick-n-ball terms, Nolan Ryan was able to pitch triple digit speeds in his mid 40s because his wind up and delivery were pure butter, where as a guy like Sandy Koufax was on the verge of having his arm amputated after a brief career.
^^^^This!!

I had a scholarship to Stanford and was an All-American in Field Hockey (no, not a lesbo and big! har har) and also a pro surfer, and each sport had it's own way of getting "fit" for.

I think that if you are a talented athlete, expending energy for sports is easier for you than the average joe. Things come naturally for you.

As for mx, it is a sport that to do it well, you have to be both naturally talented and fit. But, haven't we all witnessed some of those guys in the top 10 who don't train all that hard and still go out there and kill it just because they have such unbelieveable skill?
GeorgiePorgie 3/15/2013 10:22am
3/15/2013 10:22am
You think motocross riders are the most physically fit? Not me!


Gncc riders are the most physically fit. And when they break out and ride Loretta's they're just warming up when that checkered comes out while the rest of the moto boys are catching their breath!

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tkelley44 3/15/2013 10:38am
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BDOG wrote:
Im saying from a combination of conditioning/toughness. MMA is way more physically taxing than boxing... Anyone who has ever been in a tough street fight will...
Im saying from a combination of conditioning/toughness. MMA is way more physically taxing than boxing... Anyone who has ever been in a tough street fight will tell you the same thing.
thephoenix wrote:
Tough! Certainly! Well conditioned??? Are you joking? Those guys are WHUPPED after a 3-5 round match.
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Seriously? sorry but that is an ignorant response. if you ever have wrestled at the high school level or been in a drag out fight you...
Seriously? sorry but that is an ignorant response. if you ever have wrestled at the high school level or been in a drag out fight you realize how taxing it is. have you ever wrestled or got in a damn good fist fight?

While we at it I will include the athletes competing in the crossfit games. Usually, the shirt off gives you a good idea of someone's overall fitness... ripped=elite fitness. runners and the like may have the heart and lungs but they look weak and fragile. of course this is all in my uneducated opinion.(unless you count 25 years of being avid in to fitness)
I wrestled in highschool and i wrestled at a powerhouse program in Ohio which is year in and year out nationally ranked. It was probably someof the hardet and best workoutsi ever had. But I used it to get me into shape for racing and keep my strength and conditioning up in winter. Inways yes it was a lot harder than motocross but at the same time motocross was harder in ways as well. I guess what I'm trying to say is each sport has its own ways where it is harder than anyother sport. For me thehardest sport I've competed in is motocross but then again it hs been my passion my entire life so that is an opinionated statement. Truely there is no way to prove what is the hardest because no matter who you talk to thyare going to have an opinion leaning one way or another. But the most important part is to enjoy and have fun with the sport you love no matter what level amature or pro.
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Huckster 3/15/2013 1:09pm
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Can't believe no one has mentioned hockey players. As far as "Athleticism" goes, its tough to match that of a professional hockey player. to get to that level, NHL, you have to have the hand eye coordination of a .300 hitter or golfer, the conditioning of a fighter, the foot work of a soccer player and you have to do it while someone is trying to take your head off. Not sure any sport combines those attributes as much as hockey does. I played collegiate baseball, race mx and played football and basketball in HS and nothing compares to the overall skill and conditioning level that hockey requires. Every sport has a specific skill set that must be mastered to play at the top professional level, but IMHO, hockey requires a much large set of skills.

Of course to have this debate you have to clearly define what "Athletic" means. I have seen pro level MX guys who can't dribble a basketball....I wore a heart rate monitor while racing mx and playing hockey and my max heart rate was higher while on the ice....
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171motocross wrote:
I dont understand why people compare football and mx. In high school wrestling was by far the hardest sport i did for 6 years. Everyday all...
I dont understand why people compare football and mx. In high school wrestling was by far the hardest sport i did for 6 years. Everyday all of us would dread getting out of school to go to practice to badically kill yourself. Add cutting weight on top of that if you wanna be competitve at the leanest you can get your body to go. It was more physically demanding and mentally demanding than mx for sure.

I realize in mx though you go do 2 motos per class for 5 laps a peice in 90 degree heat sometimes at the local level or a hour 45 minute harescramble. But wrestling the heat was cranked and humid as hell with everyone sweating. Pure hell. Dont get me wrong though mx is my love and its much funner than other sports but its not the hardest most physically demanding thing ive done.
maxamillion 125 wrote:
Glad to hear another wrestlers opinion. MX is definitely tough but it's nothing like wrestling. Wrestling is a lifestyle. The easiest part was the 7 minute...
Glad to hear another wrestlers opinion. MX is definitely tough but it's nothing like wrestling. Wrestling is a lifestyle. The easiest part was the 7 minute match its all the other crap that makes it so damn miserable. Weight cutting, always eating healthy, diet, sprints, injuries, practice, no social life during season etc... In college we would have sprints/weight lifting at 6am until 7:30am and then 2.5hr grueling practice at 4:00 and then go wrestle a tournament saturday and sunday and right back to practice Monday morning.
your both saying the training was the hard part, not the actual sport.

how is wrestling aerobic? its strength based.

and hardly anyone is mentioning the danger factor
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GarySemics 3/16/2013 6:27am
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I think there are many sports that use up all your energy, like: wrestling, boxing, running marathons, swimming, ect. I think motocross is indefinably one of the tuffest. Doing a 35 minute moto in the heat is totally exhausted. When the nationals were 40 plus 2 there were many times I couldn't stand up when I got off the bike.

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