Should Bell have been allowed to race?

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Regis wrote:
holy crap! what race were you watching Slow? He lined up last in the LCQ and got a second place start, slipping back to third for...
holy crap!

what race were you watching Slow?

He lined up last in the LCQ and got a second place start, slipping back to third for a short time and then finishing behind a previous race winner in second.

Then in the main he had LAST GATE PICK and started inside the top ten from the last gate on the outside. He then made another mistake and crashed again

He had a pretty damn good night, even after the first crash, up until his crash in the main event after a so called concussion.
And then made a stupid mental mistake that could easily have been attributed to a head injury.

Have you ever ridden right after hitting your head that hard? I've seen people flat land triples because they weren't all there after being knocked out.
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The kid started and rode like shit after the crash. He probably has a 90% holeshot ratio in the pros. After the crash 2 shit starts...
The kid started and rode like shit after the crash. He probably has a 90% holeshot ratio in the pros. After the crash 2 shit starts and he rode like shit. If you think he was 100% you are shit. lol
Regis wrote:
holy crap! what race were you watching Slow? He lined up last in the LCQ and got a second place start, slipping back to third for...
holy crap!

what race were you watching Slow?

He lined up last in the LCQ and got a second place start, slipping back to third for a short time and then finishing behind a previous race winner in second.

Then in the main he had LAST GATE PICK and started inside the top ten from the last gate on the outside. He then made another mistake and crashed again

He had a pretty damn good night, even after the first crash, up until his crash in the main event after a so called concussion.
you are right rode great just a small mistake. cant wait to see him back out there next week. i'm thinking he is a top 10 guy.
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2/16/2013 9:13pm
Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head pounded the floor and lay motionless???

I knew there were some really dumb people in the moto world but it's just hit a new low, including racerx for making claims like that....

People trying to cover shit up now because they realize how bad they fucked up by letting him continue? This place is hilarious.
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Combine Bells two head slams with Tomacs Oakland header and you have pretty good testimonial for that helmet design.

You take one slippery track and put an overeager teenager out on it, is a recipe for carnage.
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Bodnar and crew checked the kid out, and determined him safe to race.
The kid, and then the team also decided that it was ok for him to race.

You can say what you want but Bodnar wouldn't send a kid out that he's examined and seemed unsafe/unfit to be on the track. After that the team wouldn't have risked the kids life and their reputation if the kid was not ok to race.

Caleb Moore was checked out by a professional crew just like the Asterisks Medical crew, deemed unsafe, and sent to the hospital. If Bell was in the situation Moore was Bodnar would've sent him to the hospital. Comparing the two situations is a bit classless to me.

It's great to play doctor after getting your degree from watching television shows like 90210, but let the real professionals decide if these guys are OK to race.
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Regis wrote:
holy crap! what race were you watching Slow? He lined up last in the LCQ and got a second place start, slipping back to third for...
holy crap!

what race were you watching Slow?

He lined up last in the LCQ and got a second place start, slipping back to third for a short time and then finishing behind a previous race winner in second.

Then in the main he had LAST GATE PICK and started inside the top ten from the last gate on the outside. He then made another mistake and crashed again

He had a pretty damn good night, even after the first crash, up until his crash in the main event after a so called concussion.
zehn wrote:
And then made a stupid mental mistake that could easily have been attributed to a head injury. Have you ever ridden right after hitting your head...
And then made a stupid mental mistake that could easily have been attributed to a head injury.

Have you ever ridden right after hitting your head that hard? I've seen people flat land triples because they weren't all there after being knocked out.
Yeah, I was air lifted to Dallas out of Whitney in 94 after being knocked out. I tried to race my second motos the next day after thinking I was fine. After a lap, I got disoriented and started throwing up. This story has nothing to do with Zach Bell tonight, other than you asking if I have ever ridden after hitting my head that hard.

I agree, a concussion can make you make mistakes and mental errors. However with Zach's prior races we have seen and his "go for broke" style. I'm not convinced that was the cause of his main event crash. A lot of hot shots coming into SX crash their brains out the first race. You got to remember he is only 18.

THe effects of the night, the crash, the bright lights........ it could have all compounded into making him mess up in the main.

I am just VERY confident the signs of a concussion were not there in order for him to line up with my personal dealings with Doc and the crew. They treat the riders like family and will not turn a blind eye.
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Regis wrote:
I respect everybody's concern here and I too believe if you have a concussion you should be sat. That being said, how do any of us...
I respect everybody's concern here and I too believe if you have a concussion you should be sat.


That being said, how do any of us KNOW he was out? because on TV he didn't move right away? I just have the utmost respect for Bodnar and crew. I have been attended to by them and watched them with many a rider.

I don't think they would miss anything or let him line up without absolutely feeling he was ok to do so.

I know I am in the minority, but since he was on the line, I feel he was fine. Especially after seeing him crash in the main, hitting his head again. If he was concussed before, no way does he get up and walk off again.
Regis nailed it!

How in the hell would ANY of you know he got a concussion? Sure....he was laying still.....but that doesn't prove anything. Kid just fell off a 3rd story building......I'm sure other body parts were hurting.

The med crew would not of allowed hi to race if they thought he had been concussed.

Christ........now were second guessing what the MED CREW does..........the actual medical personal dealing with the rider?

Give me a fuckin' break!
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Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head...
Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head pounded the floor and lay motionless???

I knew there were some really dumb people in the moto world but it's just hit a new low, including racerx for making claims like that....

People trying to cover shit up now because they realize how bad they fucked up by letting him continue? This place is hilarious.
Where did you get your medical degree?
Are you board certified in Emergency Medicine?
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NOW THIS I AGREE WITH.


Good post Slow


that helmet has proven itself. I don;t need to see data. I've seen actual tests
2/16/2013 9:19pm
Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head...
Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head pounded the floor and lay motionless???

I knew there were some really dumb people in the moto world but it's just hit a new low, including racerx for making claims like that....

People trying to cover shit up now because they realize how bad they fucked up by letting him continue? This place is hilarious.
Agree
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Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head...
Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head pounded the floor and lay motionless???

I knew there were some really dumb people in the moto world but it's just hit a new low, including racerx for making claims like that....

People trying to cover shit up now because they realize how bad they fucked up by letting him continue? This place is hilarious.
They were reporting what Zach told them. Take a breather and relax. You are very flustered.
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2/16/2013 9:21pm
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The Asterisk guys would have sat him down if he'd been unconscious and they were right there seconds after the crash. You know more from watching...
The Asterisk guys would have sat him down if he'd been unconscious and they were right there seconds after the crash. You know more from watching TV than a doctor does looking at the kid? "Of course he was out"? No. Of course he was NOT out. Doctors know what an unconscious rider looks like.
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You guys are fucking ridiculous. I don't need to be a doctor to know what an unconscious rider looks like. I'm almost certain Asterik doesn't have...
You guys are fucking ridiculous. I don't need to be a doctor to know what an unconscious rider looks like.

I'm almost certain Asterik doesn't have the power to force a rider to sit out, so it doesn't really matter what they say.
You're an idiot. One of the biggest ones in this thread obviously.
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2/16/2013 9:22pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2013 9:22pm
Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head...
Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head pounded the floor and lay motionless???

I knew there were some really dumb people in the moto world but it's just hit a new low, including racerx for making claims like that....

People trying to cover shit up now because they realize how bad they fucked up by letting him continue? This place is hilarious.
motokiwi wrote:
Agree
how about the picture above of Zach after the race from TWMX?

photoshop? cover up?
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But Reeg...they saw it on TEE VEE with their own two eyes! Blink Laughing
2/16/2013 9:23pm Edited Date/Time 2/17/2013 12:13am
Im pretty sure every sane human would scramble to their feet in order to avoid the pack behind them.. if you are unconscious however...
Its not like he had prepped his entire life to make this main or anything (sarcasm)


(P.S Bobby your dumb ass post got deleted haha e.a.d)
2/16/2013 9:24pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2013 9:25pm
Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head...
Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head pounded the floor and lay motionless???

I knew there were some really dumb people in the moto world but it's just hit a new low, including racerx for making claims like that....

People trying to cover shit up now because they realize how bad they fucked up by letting him continue? This place is hilarious.
motokiwi wrote:
Agree
Regis wrote:
how about the picture above of Zach after the race from TWMX?

photoshop? cover up?
Andy- check out the footage for yourself one more time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my1vOBKXZbs
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Im pretty sure every sane human would scramble to their feet in order to avoid the pack behind them.. if you are unconscious however... Its not...
Im pretty sure every sane human would scramble to their feet in order to avoid the pack behind them.. if you are unconscious however...
Its not like he had prepped his entire life to make this main or anything (sarcasm)


(P.S Bobby your dumb ass post got deleted haha e.a.d)
Not true. I have hit the deck a few times and couldn't move because my body wouldn't let me. All the while being wide awake and aware of what was going on. That kid hit hard! He was probably doing the "self check" shit.......I've done it quite a few times in the past 30+ years......it happens.

It makes me laugh my fucking ass off that people "Watching from home on their TV".......THINK they know more then the fucking medical personnel.
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Nice ad. i'm buying that helmet now.
Holy crap have you seen the price tag on those things? If I have any off spring I will buy them one once their head stops growing but I've already killed enough brain cells and I've decided my brain isn't worth 745 bones!
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While I definitely thought he was out cold (and have a hard time believing he laid that still while awake) I was not on the floor and am not a Dr? With that said, I was really surprised they let him race. Cover up? Why would there be a cover-up for a kid that is in his first race? Now if this was RV, and he is in the middle of a championship fight, maybe I could see a reason for a "cover-up". In this case it makes no sense. Either way, the Docs had to think he was ok to let him race I think.
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Aside from the people that were there and the Doc, I saw him dead solider to a stop without resistance. Not making any confirmation, those are signs of being lights out.

I'm not making any medical calls, it just looked like lights out when his noggin went straight for that soft loam they were talking about night.

Pressure or not. What would have been if there was something they missed, say over a larger jump. His safety and the safety of others. Just looked contrary to the AMA and language they use.
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2/16/2013 9:31pm
he needs to sit out a few years. how many time has he crashed his brains out ? probably half the races hes been in
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Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head...
Who gives fuck what racerx says, he was clearly knocked out cold. Maybe you guys didn't see him flop like a wet rag when his head pounded the floor and lay motionless???

I knew there were some really dumb people in the moto world but it's just hit a new low, including racerx for making claims like that....

People trying to cover shit up now because they realize how bad they fucked up by letting him continue? This place is hilarious.
If Racer X says they talked to Bell, I would have to agree with them. Credibility goes a long way and I know they were there.

Anyone can make assumptions watching TV. I even questioned myself while watching on why Bell was back out there but I knew the Asterisk crew would have thrown down the hammer if he wasn't healthy to race. They have done it before. He did look knocked out on TV and that was the assumption everyone had I'm sure at that time. I'm not Zach so to say he was knocked out just by me watching on TV doesn't prove anything really. I don't have a direct feed of his brain activity btw. Zach just got real lucky with that wreck.

Now we know he wasn't knocked out. If you think its a conspiracy/cover up, you're looking way too far into the situation.
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2/16/2013 9:34pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2013 9:36pm
Regis wrote:
I respect everybody's concern here and I too believe if you have a concussion you should be sat. That being said, how do any of us...
I respect everybody's concern here and I too believe if you have a concussion you should be sat.


That being said, how do any of us KNOW he was out? because on TV he didn't move right away? I just have the utmost respect for Bodnar and crew. I have been attended to by them and watched them with many a rider.

I don't think they would miss anything or let him line up without absolutely feeling he was ok to do so.

I know I am in the minority, but since he was on the line, I feel he was fine. Especially after seeing him crash in the main, hitting his head again. If he was concussed before, no way does he get up and walk off again.
Most of these pecker pilots on here don't go fast enough to get hurt when they fall down so they probably are unfamiliar with crashing hard and just laying there all still...wide awake but not moving and counting yer limbs, thanking yer lucky stars you are OK and still breathing. Did they say he was concussed?
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2/16/2013 9:35pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2013 9:36pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Not true. I have hit the deck a few times and couldn't move because my body wouldn't let me. All the while being wide awake and...
Not true. I have hit the deck a few times and couldn't move because my body wouldn't let me. All the while being wide awake and aware of what was going on. That kid hit hard! He was probably doing the "self check" shit.......I've done it quite a few times in the past 30+ years......it happens.

It makes me laugh my fucking ass off that people "Watching from home on their TV".......THINK they know more then the fucking medical personnel.
What is ridiculous is how absolute some of these opinions are. It is very possible he was or at least could have been knocked out before any other person got to him. They felt he was alright to go back out there ok good enough, that's what they do.
I would like to add that I've been knocked out cold at least one too many times and it ain't no fun down the road. Sad
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motokiwi wrote:
Agree
Regis wrote:
how about the picture above of Zach after the race from TWMX?

photoshop? cover up?
motokiwi wrote:
Andy- check out the footage for yourself one more time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my1vOBKXZbs
trust me,

I watched it. A few times. My heart sank and I thought we just saw the worst crash in SX history and my kids were right next to me. I thought they just witnessed something horrible. Maybe because of the whole Caleb Moore thing I may have been jumpy.

But, when he lined up for the LCQ, I had the confidence that he was indeed ok and it wasn't nearly as bad as it looked because I know the Medical crew there, maybe even more than others because I spent a lot of time getting picked up by them. Smile

I knew the the neccessary tests were performed and knew had he had the symptoms of a concussion, he would not have been allowed to race. I also believe his main event crash was almost equal to his heat race crash in the "head hitting" department and think if he was concussed the first time, no way he is getting up from the second.

AGAIN, I think we can all agree we just want what is safe for the riders. So that is good. Our differences lie in how he was treated after the crash and I argue with those that question Bodnar and his crew.
2/16/2013 9:37pm
Regis wrote:
how about the picture above of Zach after the race from TWMX?

photoshop? cover up?
Another all time low for stupidity in the moto forum....a cell phone picture shows traumatic brain injury. LMFAO

Ya'all bad bois git back on that there dirt bike of yos and twis that there thradole, kay bob??
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Regis wrote:
how about the picture above of Zach after the race from TWMX?

photoshop? cover up?
Another all time low for stupidity in the moto forum....a cell phone picture shows traumatic brain injury. LMFAO Ya'all bad bois git back on that there...
Another all time low for stupidity in the moto forum....a cell phone picture shows traumatic brain injury. LMFAO

Ya'all bad bois git back on that there dirt bike of yos and twis that there thradole, kay bob??
The only dumb shits in this thread are the ones that think a doctor and professional crew would risk their credibility by sending a kid out who was unsafe to ride.
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2/16/2013 9:41pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2013 9:45pm
Regis wrote:
how about the picture above of Zach after the race from TWMX?

photoshop? cover up?
Another all time low for stupidity in the moto forum....a cell phone picture shows traumatic brain injury. LMFAO Ya'all bad bois git back on that there...
Another all time low for stupidity in the moto forum....a cell phone picture shows traumatic brain injury. LMFAO

Ya'all bad bois git back on that there dirt bike of yos and twis that there thradole, kay bob??
if the kid has a traumatic brain injury, he isn't hanging out and smiling after the races and after getting stitches in his hand doing interviews.

He would be asking where he is at and what happened and on his way to the hospital. Two media outlets quote him as saying he is ok, the medical crew cleared him and we are arguing here?

You guys think he is with a bunch of other 17year olds out in the hills riding?

One big conspiracy by the whole industry because a couple experts see it on TV as being different. wow.,

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