$ then and now

Edited Date/Time 1/28/2013 9:36am
in 1974 minimum wage was $2.00 per hour a 1974 Honda CR125 was $700.00
a teenager could work less than 9 40 hr work wks to buy a brand new bike
in 2012 minimum wage is $7.25 per hour a 2012 CR250F is $7,500.00
a teenager will have work almost 26 40 hr work wks to buy a brand new bike
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1/25/2013 10:22am
Pretty much says it all.... That plus a shit economy paints a bleak picture...
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1/25/2013 10:27am
in 1974 minimum wage was $2.00 per hour a 1974 Honda CR125 was $700.00 a teenager could work less than 9 40 hr work wks to...
in 1974 minimum wage was $2.00 per hour a 1974 Honda CR125 was $700.00
a teenager could work less than 9 40 hr work wks to buy a brand new bike
in 2012 minimum wage is $7.25 per hour a 2012 CR250F is $7,500.00
a teenager will have work almost 26 40 hr work wks to buy a brand new bike
And how many more places did that teenager have to ride in 1974? I would bet 15:1 - or more - in today's terms.
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1/25/2013 10:32am
mxnick wrote:
And how many more places did that teenager have to ride in 1974? I would bet 15:1 - or more - in today's terms.
Paying to go practice was never even thought of when I grew up.
1/25/2013 10:36am
yea, but at least we don't have to walk uphill to school anymore. Both ways. Barefoot. in the snow.

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1/25/2013 10:39am
Thank corporate America and their lobbyists.

They love a low minimum wage, keeps everyones paycheck smaller.
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1/25/2013 10:43am
yea, but at least we don't have to walk uphill to school anymore. Both ways. Barefoot. in the snow.
With only a mayonaise sandwich for lunch.....Laughing
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1/25/2013 10:46am
mxnick wrote:
And how many more places did that teenager have to ride in 1974? I would bet 15:1 - or more - in today's terms.
BAMX wrote:
Paying to go practice was never even thought of when I grew up.
You hit the nail on the head. The sport is slowly killing itself due to the rising costs to particpate in it. I love the comments where pro mx is the one sport you have to pay to be a professional particpant and there is little payout. That being said, the thought of having to buy new race bikes every year is a daunting one and it is a well known fact how many people are up to their neck in debt to fund the amatuer national circus chase through the cost of hopped up bikes, campers, etc.. Of course, there is the choice to scale it back and be a local racer only but the temptation is always there. We are local racers, practice more then race but found ourselves migrating south this winter for a week to ride. We practice more than race because the value is so much better versus the $$$ spent for 8-10 total sub 2 minute laps to race. But still, a 2 day practice weekend will end up being a $300+ weekend with practice fees, fuel etc.. and could be more depending on what gets torn up. The plus side is we are all together, we are working towards a goal together and we have met some great people doing it. I am just not sure how long it is sustainable as a whole though.
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1/25/2013 12:14pm
mxnick wrote:
And how many more places did that teenager have to ride in 1974? I would bet 15:1 - or more - in today's terms.
BAMX wrote:
Paying to go practice was never even thought of when I grew up.
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1/25/2013 12:23pm
mtl wrote:
Thank corporate America and their lobbyists.

They love a low minimum wage, keeps everyones paycheck smaller.
start your own business and then you can pay your employees what you want.
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1/25/2013 12:23pm
yea, but at least we don't have to walk uphill to school anymore. Both ways. Barefoot. in the snow.
newmann wrote:
With only a mayonaise sandwich for lunch.....Laughing
oh no, a baked potato so you could your hands warm and have something to eat
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1/25/2013 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2013 12:56pm
mtl wrote:
Thank corporate America and their lobbyists.

They love a low minimum wage, keeps everyones paycheck smaller.
Panic_Rev wrote:
start your own business and then you can pay your employees what you want.
And hope there is enough left for you after payroll, payroll taxes, insurance, retirements, franchise taxes, utilities, property taxes, accountant bills, personal property taxes, garage keepers liability, required fees and subscriptions, equipment maintenance.............it never seems to end. And my lowest paid employee makes $11.00 hr, which is occasionally more than myself and the wife get paid. Laughing Ahhhh, the joys of owning your own small business!
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Did I say anything about small business? If it's so bad then get a job with a corporation and see how good that is.

Its the large corporations that employ most and they pay barley any taxes (see General Electric) and have a strong lobby to keep things their way. If you dont see this you are in just as much denial as Euro GP promoters.

You think if every minimum wage employee made $3 more an hour BK and Wal-Mart would go out of business? It would cut into profit and investors wouldnt like it and the all so holy stock price might drop.

The unskilled employee sure as shit would have a higher standard of living and maybe could buy that shiny bike.
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1/25/2013 1:25pm
and this, AFTER 3 rounds of professional supercross racing 6th place in points Ryan Dungey has made right at the MSRP of a 2013 KTM450SXF dungey replica msrp of $9599...................

1. RYAN VILLOPOTO (16-2-1)
A1.........$2230
PHX......$6000
A2.........$12,000
Total.........$20,230
2. DAVID MILLSAPS (1-3-4)
A1........$12,000
PHX......$4250
A2.........$3250
Total.........$19,500

3. JUSTIN BARCIA (7-1-20)
A1.........$2630
PHX......$12,000
A2.........$2135
Total.........$16,765
4. TREY CANARD (2-5-2)
A1.........$6000
PHX......$3010
A2.........$6000
Total.........$15,010

5. CHAD REED (4-4-3)
A1.........$3250
PHX......$3250
A2.........$4250
Total.........$10,750
6. RYAN DUNGEY (3-8-6)
A1.........$4250
PHX......$2530
A2.........$2780
Total.........$9560

7. JAKE WEIMER (5-6-5)
A1.........$3010
PHX......$2780
A2.........$3010
Total.........$8800

8. ANDREW SHORT (6-9-7)
A1.........$2780
PHX......$2480
A2.........$2630
Total.........$7890
9. JAMES STEWART (8-7-12)
A1.........$2530
PHX......$2630
A2.........$2380
Total.........$7540

10. JOSH GRANT (11-10-10)
A1.......$2400
PHX......$2430
A2.........$2430
Total.........$7260

taken from http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/WHO-HAS-WON-THE-MOST-PURSE-MONE…
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1/25/2013 1:31pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2013 1:32pm
mtl wrote:
Thank corporate America and their lobbyists.

They love a low minimum wage, keeps everyones paycheck smaller.
Panic_Rev wrote:
start your own business and then you can pay your employees what you want.
newmann wrote:
And hope there is enough left for you after payroll, payroll taxes, insurance, retirements, franchise taxes, utilities, property taxes, accountant bills, personal property taxes, garage keepers...
And hope there is enough left for you after payroll, payroll taxes, insurance, retirements, franchise taxes, utilities, property taxes, accountant bills, personal property taxes, garage keepers liability, required fees and subscriptions, equipment maintenance.............it never seems to end. And my lowest paid employee makes $11.00 hr, which is occasionally more than myself and the wife get paid. Laughing Ahhhh, the joys of owning your own small business!
MTl,

The above fixed costs that Newman identified are costs of an employee. They are part of the total cost of keeping that employee, and, ultimately reduce both what the employer keeps and what the employee can be paid.

No "special rights" are free. They just get incorporated into the cost and squeeze what is left. If an employer hires an employee for $50k, you can bet by the time the compliance is done the employee will cost the employer $100k. That is one of the reasons small employers work like dogs and dont hire until absolutely necessary.
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1/25/2013 1:32pm
mtl wrote:
Thank corporate America and their lobbyists.

They love a low minimum wage, keeps everyones paycheck smaller.
More like thank the 20million illegal aliens, and their enablers, who have flooded this country, work for peanuts thus driving down wages for all groups, and have decimated the earning potential for all unskilled and semi-skilled workers across the county. Nothing to see here though, move along.
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1/25/2013 1:34pm
mtl wrote:
Did I say anything about small business? If it's so bad then get a job with a corporation and see how good that is. Its the...
Did I say anything about small business? If it's so bad then get a job with a corporation and see how good that is.

Its the large corporations that employ most and they pay barley any taxes (see General Electric) and have a strong lobby to keep things their way. If you dont see this you are in just as much denial as Euro GP promoters.

You think if every minimum wage employee made $3 more an hour BK and Wal-Mart would go out of business? It would cut into profit and investors wouldnt like it and the all so holy stock price might drop.

The unskilled employee sure as shit would have a higher standard of living and maybe could buy that shiny bike.
So is it the fault of the corporation or the unskilled worker?

Also, Walmart dropped the hyphen. "It's cleaner"-in my best Timberlake voice from the Social Network.
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1/25/2013 1:35pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2013 1:41pm
mtl wrote:
Thank corporate America and their lobbyists.

They love a low minimum wage, keeps everyones paycheck smaller.
RbR wrote:
More like thank the 20million illegal aliens, and their enablers, who have flooded this country, work for peanuts thus driving down wages for all groups, and...
More like thank the 20million illegal aliens, and their enablers, who have flooded this country, work for peanuts thus driving down wages for all groups, and have decimated the earning potential for all unskilled and semi-skilled workers across the county. Nothing to see here though, move along.
It has always amazed me that we pay people to sit at home (welfare, unemployment etc.) while people who are here illegally do their job. No wonder we are broke.
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MTL, wow, imagine if an unskilled worker made lots of money.... Like as much as a skilled professional. Wait, thats not logical because the skilled workers and professionals would have to get paid more to compensate for their efforts(education, experience, brains), but wait, then products would cost more because of the elevated expense of the expertise, but wait thats not fair..... Maybe the government should just tax those skilled worker and professionals more and give hand outs to the "I wish I could haves, but don't really put in the efforts"....... These are awesome ideas, why didn't anyone else come up with this!
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MTL, wow, imagine if an unskilled worker made lots of money.... Like as much as a skilled professional. Wait, thats not logical because the skilled workers...
MTL, wow, imagine if an unskilled worker made lots of money.... Like as much as a skilled professional. Wait, thats not logical because the skilled workers and professionals would have to get paid more to compensate for their efforts(education, experience, brains), but wait, then products would cost more because of the elevated expense of the expertise, but wait thats not fair..... Maybe the government should just tax those skilled worker and professionals more and give hand outs to the "I wish I could haves, but don't really put in the efforts"....... These are awesome ideas, why didn't anyone else come up with this!
You left out free health care.
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I love where this thread is headed ... is definitely a shame though. Though there is no need to complain about it OR work for minimum wage.

When I was 16 I worked at a pizza shop near my house. Waiting tables, delivering, cooking etc. Doing whatever needed to be done. We pooled and split counter and table tips. I never left with less than $100/night. Weekends I made more. I was able to save a serious amount of money doing this. I lived at home, had a 12 year Oldsmobile that I bought off my neighbor for $650 cash. I bought a brand new 1997 RM125 off the showroom floor for $4,100 out the door. I remember vividly saving for it ... only took me a couple months, wasn't bad at all. I still have the bike and the certificate of origin.

Its like my dad used to say. "If you don't like it, do something about it. Don't preach to the choir because no one here, especially me, gives two shits how hard your life is" - love the wisdom pop! LOL
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BAMX wrote:
It has always amazed me that we pay people to sit at home (welfare, unemployment etc.) while people who are here illegally do their job. No...
It has always amazed me that we pay people to sit at home (welfare, unemployment etc.) while people who are here illegally do their job. No wonder we are broke.
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Lazy POS's shouldn't get a thin dime if they're not willing to lift a finger. Entitlement leaches are destroying this country....
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1/25/2013 2:39pm
RbR wrote:
More like thank the 20million illegal aliens, and their enablers, who have flooded this country, work for peanuts thus driving down wages for all groups, and...
More like thank the 20million illegal aliens, and their enablers, who have flooded this country, work for peanuts thus driving down wages for all groups, and have decimated the earning potential for all unskilled and semi-skilled workers across the county. Nothing to see here though, move along.
Estimates are only 11-12 million. But they won't be illegal for long, Obama's gonna legalize them; he needs their taxes to attempt to pay for Obamacare.

Currently a lot of illegals are paying into Soc Security and Medicare but can not not draw out the benefits so their buoying up those systems currently. That'll go away once their legalized. They also don't draw unemployment benefits which reduces an employers contribution rate. These are positive aspects to the illegals working here. Many are paid competetively with their American counterparts too.

At its root though the immigration "problem" is really a "welfare" problem. If the current welfare system were not so extensive and generous for many Americans, many of the jobs the illegals are filling could be filled by American workers.
1/25/2013 2:50pm
My business would make me millions if I could figure out a way to buy a lot of people for what they are worth and sell them for what they think they are worth.......
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Halfast816 wrote:
My business would make me millions if I could figure out a way to buy a lot of people for what they are worth and sell...
My business would make me millions if I could figure out a way to buy a lot of people for what they are worth and sell them for what they think they are worth.......
Millions??? The 18-30 year old crowd would make you a Trillionaire.
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1/25/2013 3:14pm
in 1974 minimum wage was $2.00 per hour a 1974 Honda CR125 was $700.00 a teenager could work less than 9 40 hr work wks to...
in 1974 minimum wage was $2.00 per hour a 1974 Honda CR125 was $700.00
a teenager could work less than 9 40 hr work wks to buy a brand new bike
in 2012 minimum wage is $7.25 per hour a 2012 CR250F is $7,500.00
a teenager will have work almost 26 40 hr work wks to buy a brand new bike
Yes, racing is more expensive now.

Yes, real wages have not kept up with inflation, particularly with respect to low skilled workers. That has nothing to do with motorcycling or any OEM

You need to take into account the increase in strength of the Yen versus the Dollar on the exchange rates since 1974, which actually has contributed to the stagnating Japanese economy. 01/01/1974, $1 = 298 yen; 01/01/ 2012 $1= 77 yen.
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/EXJPUS.txt
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in 1974 minimum wage was $2.00 per hour a 1974 Honda CR125 was $700.00 a teenager could work less than 9 40 hr work wks to...
in 1974 minimum wage was $2.00 per hour a 1974 Honda CR125 was $700.00
a teenager could work less than 9 40 hr work wks to buy a brand new bike
in 2012 minimum wage is $7.25 per hour a 2012 CR250F is $7,500.00
a teenager will have work almost 26 40 hr work wks to buy a brand new bike
Yes, racing is more expensive now. Yes, real wages have not kept up with inflation, particularly with respect to low skilled workers. That has nothing to...
Yes, racing is more expensive now.

Yes, real wages have not kept up with inflation, particularly with respect to low skilled workers. That has nothing to do with motorcycling or any OEM

You need to take into account the increase in strength of the Yen versus the Dollar on the exchange rates since 1974, which actually has contributed to the stagnating Japanese economy. 01/01/1974, $1 = 298 yen; 01/01/ 2012 $1= 77 yen.
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/EXJPUS.txt
And the decrease in the value of the dollar due to above stated reasons. So yes, it is pertinent.
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1/25/2013 5:00pm
If you can qualify for the main event for all 17 rounds of 450 you will make a minimum of $36,295. Damn.
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It has little to do with illegal aliens and more about the western world living beyond its means for the last 30-40 years. Now governments are printing money every year and its going to get more and more expensive.

Eventually it will be cheaper to manufacture dirt bikes in the US and it will all start over again. Not for a while though.
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Halfast816 wrote:
My business would make me millions if I could figure out a way to buy a lot of people for what they are worth and sell...
My business would make me millions if I could figure out a way to buy a lot of people for what they are worth and sell them for what they think they are worth.......
That is awesome! I am gonna use this quote onfacebook, too! Oh, the likes I will get. I will of course put your name in there so there will be no plagiarism.

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