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11/15/2012 4:46am
MotoX85 wrote:
Are you kidding, Sam Gannon is the biggest POS in the industry. Has no concern for anything but lining his pockets. If this is true, this...
Are you kidding, Sam Gannon is the biggest POS in the industry. Has no concern for anything but lining his pockets. If this is true, this is nothing to do with anything besides sucking ass. Victory Sports is the track crew at LL. Last year Victory Sports held 8 LL area qualifiers and 2 Regionals. This industry is turning into suck ass central and as posted on another thread about, moto-inside the outdoors, cares nothing about the riders or the moto community.

Stood right by the the AMA official tell a father that "his kids safety is not his concern" when the parent was concerned for stagger starting 71 65cc riders on the same track at the same time at a regional, then personally witnessed Sam Gannon defend this so-called AMA official, along with about 5 or 6 other dads. Also saw that same AMA official have to be escorted off the grounds by the police.

If this is true, this has officially broke the back of my 38 year riding career, along with my son. We will race only local races if this comes to pass.

Here I thought writing letters to MX sports and the AMA wold get rid of that POS Gammon and it has done nothing but grease his pocket book.

I was an ally to MX sports and that group at first but the more ass kissing and friendly favors for "strictly" lining their pockets and who blows who, I have come full circle and now think.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!!!!
Terry, this is supposed to be sent to the dumbgeon since someone was called a pos right ?
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11/15/2012 4:48am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2012 7:30am
JoJmoto wrote:
This is great news!! Cant wait! Sam and Jane Gammon do a great job out there with all the races they put on through out the...
This is great news!! Cant wait! Sam and Jane Gammon do a great job out there with all the races they put on through out the year...
MotoX85 wrote:
Are you kidding, Sam Gannon is the biggest POS in the industry. Has no concern for anything but lining his pockets. If this is true, this...
Are you kidding, Sam Gannon is the biggest POS in the industry. Has no concern for anything but lining his pockets. If this is true, this is nothing to do with anything besides sucking ass. Victory Sports is the track crew at LL. Last year Victory Sports held 8 LL area qualifiers and 2 Regionals. This industry is turning into suck ass central and as posted on another thread about, moto-inside the outdoors, cares nothing about the riders or the moto community.

Stood right by the the AMA official tell a father that "his kids safety is not his concern" when the parent was concerned for stagger starting 71 65cc riders on the same track at the same time at a regional, then personally witnessed Sam Gannon defend this so-called AMA official, along with about 5 or 6 other dads. Also saw that same AMA official have to be escorted off the grounds by the police.

If this is true, this has officially broke the back of my 38 year riding career, along with my son. We will race only local races if this comes to pass.

Here I thought writing letters to MX sports and the AMA wold get rid of that POS Gammon and it has done nothing but grease his pocket book.

I was an ally to MX sports and that group at first but the more ass kissing and friendly favors for "strictly" lining their pockets and who blows who, I have come full circle and now think.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!!!!
I hate to hear you had a bad personal experience with the Mr. Gammon, or at least witnessed one. I however have been dealing with them for several years, they advertise on my SouthEastMx.com website and I have been to many races they run. I am sitting here trying to think if I have ever had or know of anyone who has ever had an issue with them and the way the run their program and I can’t say I do. (Outside of a race order issue or something ALL tracks owners/promoters deal with)

There are three real players in the SouthEast in the motocross promoting game, The Gammons (Victory Sports), Joe Williams (JMX) and Alan McWilliams (RPM Sports) and others in this area. As of recent, Mr. Williams has been helping Sam with a lot of his events. These two do hold several races in the SouthEast, mostly in South and North Carolina and Tennessee while Mr. McWilliams has Georgia, Alabama and now Texas and Illinois. Who else are you going to give a National AMA event too, the local MX track that puts on one race a month that nets 100 riders or someone who holds several AMA Amateur qualifiers a year that nets 1500 riders? Personally, I wanted Aonia MX Park to get it but Mr. Perry would just have to bring in one of the three mentioned to run that big of event anyway. You need someone with the knowledge of running big events before even considering giving them a Pro AMA National.

As far as the AMA officials go, what you are saying does not surprise me, I myself have had one become rude and completely unprofessional while dealing with. And it had nothing to do with the races… that was just parking at an event! I am not against pointing a finger at someone who is a POS, however, it does take a repetitious cycle for me to see before making that call. So far over the years of dealing with the Gammon’s, they have been nothing but great people to deal with on my end. But I guess we all have a story of two to tell. I think they will do a fine job and will have to bow a little to people above them now in order to keep this event. (Or "Suck ass " as you say like most people do with MX Sports)
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11/15/2012 4:55am
Oh and as far as parking goes, they have a ton of land they have not done anything with so I am sure fitting people in there wont be a problem. I assume the track will undergo some big changes too. All in all, this should turn out to be a great National event for the SouthEast!
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11/15/2012 6:26am
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I hate to hear you had a bad personal experience with the Mr. Gammon, or at least witnessed one. I however have been dealing with them...
I hate to hear you had a bad personal experience with the Mr. Gammon, or at least witnessed one. I however have been dealing with them for several years, they advertise on my SouthEastMx.com website and I have been to many races they run. I am sitting here trying to think if I have ever had or know of anyone who has ever had an issue with them and the way the run their program and I can’t say I do. (Outside of a race order issue or something ALL tracks owners/promoters deal with)

There are three real players in the SouthEast in the motocross promoting game, The Gammons (Victory Sports), Joe Williams (JMX) and Alan McWilliams (RPM Sports) and others in this area. As of recent, Mr. Williams has been helping Sam with a lot of his events. These two do hold several races in the SouthEast, mostly in South and North Carolina and Tennessee while Mr. McWilliams has Georgia, Alabama and now Texas and Illinois. Who else are you going to give a National AMA event too, the local MX track that puts on one race a month that nets 100 riders or someone who holds several AMA Amateur qualifiers a year that nets 1500 riders? Personally, I wanted Aonia MX Park to get it but Mr. Perry would just have to bring in one of the three mentioned to run that big of event anyway. You need someone with the knowledge of running big events before even considering giving them a Pro AMA National.

As far as the AMA officials go, what you are saying does not surprise me, I myself have had one become rude and completely unprofessional while dealing with. And it had nothing to do with the races… that was just parking at an event! I am not against pointing a finger at someone who is a POS, however, it does take a repetitious cycle for me to see before making that call. So far over the years of dealing with the Gammon’s, they have been nothing but great people to deal with on my end. But I guess we all have a story of two to tell. I think they will do a fine job and will have to bow a little to people above them now in order to keep this event. (Or "Suck ass " as you say like most people do with MX Sports)
while Mr. McWilliams has Georgia, Alabama and now Texas and Illinois.

Don't forget Ponca City.....

Cool

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just down the road at I-81 park would be a better place,but they would have to build a track.it is close to the interstate and has all kinds of land for parking .
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11/15/2012 7:18am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2012 11:33am
JoJmoto wrote:
I hate to hear you had a bad personal experience with the Mr. Gammon, or at least witnessed one. I however have been dealing with them...
I hate to hear you had a bad personal experience with the Mr. Gammon, or at least witnessed one. I however have been dealing with them for several years, they advertise on my SouthEastMx.com website and I have been to many races they run. I am sitting here trying to think if I have ever had or know of anyone who has ever had an issue with them and the way the run their program and I can’t say I do. (Outside of a race order issue or something ALL tracks owners/promoters deal with)

There are three real players in the SouthEast in the motocross promoting game, The Gammons (Victory Sports), Joe Williams (JMX) and Alan McWilliams (RPM Sports) and others in this area. As of recent, Mr. Williams has been helping Sam with a lot of his events. These two do hold several races in the SouthEast, mostly in South and North Carolina and Tennessee while Mr. McWilliams has Georgia, Alabama and now Texas and Illinois. Who else are you going to give a National AMA event too, the local MX track that puts on one race a month that nets 100 riders or someone who holds several AMA Amateur qualifiers a year that nets 1500 riders? Personally, I wanted Aonia MX Park to get it but Mr. Perry would just have to bring in one of the three mentioned to run that big of event anyway. You need someone with the knowledge of running big events before even considering giving them a Pro AMA National.

As far as the AMA officials go, what you are saying does not surprise me, I myself have had one become rude and completely unprofessional while dealing with. And it had nothing to do with the races… that was just parking at an event! I am not against pointing a finger at someone who is a POS, however, it does take a repetitious cycle for me to see before making that call. So far over the years of dealing with the Gammon’s, they have been nothing but great people to deal with on my end. But I guess we all have a story of two to tell. I think they will do a fine job and will have to bow a little to people above them now in order to keep this event. (Or "Suck ass " as you say like most people do with MX Sports)
jndmx wrote:
while Mr. McWilliams has Georgia, Alabama and now Texas and Illinois.

Don't forget Ponca City.....

Cool
True, my bad.

@ Thumpin, I have never heard of I-81. But I dont think the track and parking will be an issue. The close airport helps too I bet.
11/15/2012 8:20am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2012 8:26am
Here's a vid from the 2012 Top Gun Showdown I found on youtube. Not sure if you can tell, but the track is kind of in this big hole with hills all around. So it's good for spectating, because no matter where you are you can see pretty much the whole track. It's like mother nature's verson of stadium seating. lol

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11/15/2012 8:32am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2012 10:20am
is this supposed to be the "SE" national? cause it's a 1300 mile round trip for me.
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11/15/2012 8:59am
yota wrote:
is this supposed to be the "SE" national? cause it's a 1300 mile round trip for me.
600 more miles round trip over freestone for me......i would call it mid east at best! no nationals for me and my boys this year
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Bummed we lost the Texas National, but a road trip to see these guys ride like no other will still be worth it.
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11/15/2012 9:15am
yota wrote:
is this supposed to be the "SE" national? cause it's a 1300 mile round trip for me.
brocster wrote:
600 more miles round trip over freestone for me......i would call it mid east at best! no nationals for me and my boys this year
That's what I was thinking also. I know when you say Tenn. you think southeast but this track is a the very extreme corner of northeast tenn. It's damn near in Virginia. The folks like central to lower florida will still be in for along ride. I wonder what fell thru with Monster Mountain or Aonia? Whatever it's still only a 6-7 hour drive for me. I was personnally hoping for Monster Mountain as its only 45-50 minutes away from me. But oh well.
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11/15/2012 9:22am
yota wrote:
is this supposed to be the "SE" national? cause it's a 1300 mile round trip for me.
brocster wrote:
600 more miles round trip over freestone for me......i would call it mid east at best! no nationals for me and my boys this year
yup, told my son this morning, looks like a nice track and good viewing, but there is nothing SOUTH about it...
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11/15/2012 9:40am
yota wrote:
is this supposed to be the "SE" national? cause it's a 1300 mile round trip for me.
brocster wrote:
600 more miles round trip over freestone for me......i would call it mid east at best! no nationals for me and my boys this year
kijen wrote:
yup, told my son this morning, looks like a nice track and good viewing, but there is nothing SOUTH about it...
Which is true for just about any place when you're in Florida. It's a bit like someone in Alaska saying Washougal isn't in the Northwest.




Okay, well, maybe not that bad . . . Wink
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11/15/2012 10:03am
yota wrote:
is this supposed to be the "SE" national? cause it's a 1300 mile round trip for me.
It a hell of a lot closer than your closest one was this year! 1300 is better than 1700 to Budds Creek, right? Or is anything farther than Gainesville too far for you?
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11/15/2012 10:19am
Gainesville would be nice...
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I suppose they look at it because of the central location on the the eastcoast. About 8 hours south of the closest as of now (Budds) and 8 hours north of Florida line. That location will draw a huge crowd.
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Which is true for just about any place when you're in Florida. It's a bit like someone in Alaska saying Washougal isn't in the Northwest. Okay...
Which is true for just about any place when you're in Florida. It's a bit like someone in Alaska saying Washougal isn't in the Northwest.




Okay, well, maybe not that bad . . . Wink
Or telling people from Redding that Oakland or Hangtown is Nor-Cal. Smile
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Which is true for just about any place when you're in Florida. It's a bit like someone in Alaska saying Washougal isn't in the Northwest. Okay...
Which is true for just about any place when you're in Florida. It's a bit like someone in Alaska saying Washougal isn't in the Northwest.




Okay, well, maybe not that bad . . . Wink
GuyB wrote:
Or telling people from Redding that Oakland or Hangtown is Nor-Cal. Smile
Hey . . . I get it, but on principle, anything that isn't Socal is Norcal (thank god). We'll fight about the details up here, thank you.
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11/15/2012 6:52pm
JoJmoto wrote:
This is great news!! Cant wait! Sam and Jane Gammon do a great job out there with all the races they put on through out the...
This is great news!! Cant wait! Sam and Jane Gammon do a great job out there with all the races they put on through out the year...
MotoX85 wrote:
Are you kidding, Sam Gannon is the biggest POS in the industry. Has no concern for anything but lining his pockets. If this is true, this...
Are you kidding, Sam Gannon is the biggest POS in the industry. Has no concern for anything but lining his pockets. If this is true, this is nothing to do with anything besides sucking ass. Victory Sports is the track crew at LL. Last year Victory Sports held 8 LL area qualifiers and 2 Regionals. This industry is turning into suck ass central and as posted on another thread about, moto-inside the outdoors, cares nothing about the riders or the moto community.

Stood right by the the AMA official tell a father that "his kids safety is not his concern" when the parent was concerned for stagger starting 71 65cc riders on the same track at the same time at a regional, then personally witnessed Sam Gannon defend this so-called AMA official, along with about 5 or 6 other dads. Also saw that same AMA official have to be escorted off the grounds by the police.

If this is true, this has officially broke the back of my 38 year riding career, along with my son. We will race only local races if this comes to pass.

Here I thought writing letters to MX sports and the AMA wold get rid of that POS Gammon and it has done nothing but grease his pocket book.

I was an ally to MX sports and that group at first but the more ass kissing and friendly favors for "strictly" lining their pockets and who blows who, I have come full circle and now think.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!!!!!
JoJmoto wrote:
I hate to hear you had a bad personal experience with the Mr. Gammon, or at least witnessed one. I however have been dealing with them...
I hate to hear you had a bad personal experience with the Mr. Gammon, or at least witnessed one. I however have been dealing with them for several years, they advertise on my SouthEastMx.com website and I have been to many races they run. I am sitting here trying to think if I have ever had or know of anyone who has ever had an issue with them and the way the run their program and I can’t say I do. (Outside of a race order issue or something ALL tracks owners/promoters deal with)

There are three real players in the SouthEast in the motocross promoting game, The Gammons (Victory Sports), Joe Williams (JMX) and Alan McWilliams (RPM Sports) and others in this area. As of recent, Mr. Williams has been helping Sam with a lot of his events. These two do hold several races in the SouthEast, mostly in South and North Carolina and Tennessee while Mr. McWilliams has Georgia, Alabama and now Texas and Illinois. Who else are you going to give a National AMA event too, the local MX track that puts on one race a month that nets 100 riders or someone who holds several AMA Amateur qualifiers a year that nets 1500 riders? Personally, I wanted Aonia MX Park to get it but Mr. Perry would just have to bring in one of the three mentioned to run that big of event anyway. You need someone with the knowledge of running big events before even considering giving them a Pro AMA National.

As far as the AMA officials go, what you are saying does not surprise me, I myself have had one become rude and completely unprofessional while dealing with. And it had nothing to do with the races… that was just parking at an event! I am not against pointing a finger at someone who is a POS, however, it does take a repetitious cycle for me to see before making that call. So far over the years of dealing with the Gammon’s, they have been nothing but great people to deal with on my end. But I guess we all have a story of two to tell. I think they will do a fine job and will have to bow a little to people above them now in order to keep this event. (Or "Suck ass " as you say like most people do with MX Sports)
Thanks for the reply but your first couple sentences can tell "you" why "you " dont have a problem with them. You do business with them.

Qualifier at Ballance MX a few years back is where this took place and whether people want to post or not there where "a lot" of witneses to this event.

"Who else are you going to give a National AMA event too, the local MX track that puts on one race a month that nets 100 riders or someone who holds several AMA Amateur qualifiers a year that nets 1500 riders?"

Good question but all your "classic" tracks are put on by the track owners. Millville, Unadilla, Southwick, Red Bud, Budds Creek, Washougal.

This is simply a pay off, plain and simple
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11/16/2012 4:29am
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I hate to hear you had a bad personal experience with the Mr. Gammon, or at least witnessed one. I however have been dealing with them...
I hate to hear you had a bad personal experience with the Mr. Gammon, or at least witnessed one. I however have been dealing with them for several years, they advertise on my SouthEastMx.com website and I have been to many races they run. I am sitting here trying to think if I have ever had or know of anyone who has ever had an issue with them and the way the run their program and I can’t say I do. (Outside of a race order issue or something ALL tracks owners/promoters deal with)

There are three real players in the SouthEast in the motocross promoting game, The Gammons (Victory Sports), Joe Williams (JMX) and Alan McWilliams (RPM Sports) and others in this area. As of recent, Mr. Williams has been helping Sam with a lot of his events. These two do hold several races in the SouthEast, mostly in South and North Carolina and Tennessee while Mr. McWilliams has Georgia, Alabama and now Texas and Illinois. Who else are you going to give a National AMA event too, the local MX track that puts on one race a month that nets 100 riders or someone who holds several AMA Amateur qualifiers a year that nets 1500 riders? Personally, I wanted Aonia MX Park to get it but Mr. Perry would just have to bring in one of the three mentioned to run that big of event anyway. You need someone with the knowledge of running big events before even considering giving them a Pro AMA National.

As far as the AMA officials go, what you are saying does not surprise me, I myself have had one become rude and completely unprofessional while dealing with. And it had nothing to do with the races… that was just parking at an event! I am not against pointing a finger at someone who is a POS, however, it does take a repetitious cycle for me to see before making that call. So far over the years of dealing with the Gammon’s, they have been nothing but great people to deal with on my end. But I guess we all have a story of two to tell. I think they will do a fine job and will have to bow a little to people above them now in order to keep this event. (Or "Suck ass " as you say like most people do with MX Sports)
jndmx wrote:
while Mr. McWilliams has Georgia, Alabama and now Texas and Illinois.

Don't forget Ponca City.....

Cool
JoJmoto wrote:
True, my bad. @ Thumpin, I have never heard of I-81. But I dont think the track and parking will be an issue. The close airport...
True, my bad.

@ Thumpin, I have never heard of I-81. But I dont think the track and parking will be an issue. The close airport helps too I bet.
its at exit 44 on the way to muddy creek you can see the property from the interstate.it has trails,gocart track,big dirt oval track ,and motorcross track that sucks but the facility is probably one of the best places you could put a track.lots of room a big covered stage area where you could hold concerts.i heard that a local famous pro was going to take over and build a nice track but that hasnt happen,but we can keep wishing.
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11/16/2012 4:41am
jndmx wrote:
while Mr. McWilliams has Georgia, Alabama and now Texas and Illinois.

Don't forget Ponca City.....

Cool
JoJmoto wrote:
True, my bad. @ Thumpin, I have never heard of I-81. But I dont think the track and parking will be an issue. The close airport...
True, my bad.

@ Thumpin, I have never heard of I-81. But I dont think the track and parking will be an issue. The close airport helps too I bet.
its at exit 44 on the way to muddy creek you can see the property from the interstate.it has trails,gocart track,big dirt oval track ,and motorcross...
its at exit 44 on the way to muddy creek you can see the property from the interstate.it has trails,gocart track,big dirt oval track ,and motorcross track that sucks but the facility is probably one of the best places you could put a track.lots of room a big covered stage area where you could hold concerts.i heard that a local famous pro was going to take over and build a nice track but that hasnt happen,but we can keep wishing.
I-81 (Dallas Ricker ) has gone to shit. I love the Hayes' to death but they have to many irons in the fire. That place could be awesome for the local series but has nothing going for it to ever think about a national.
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Thanks for the reply but your first couple sentences can tell "you" why "you " dont have a problem with them. You do business with them...
Thanks for the reply but your first couple sentences can tell "you" why "you " dont have a problem with them. You do business with them.

Qualifier at Ballance MX a few years back is where this took place and whether people want to post or not there where "a lot" of witneses to this event.

"Who else are you going to give a National AMA event too, the local MX track that puts on one race a month that nets 100 riders or someone who holds several AMA Amateur qualifiers a year that nets 1500 riders?"

Good question but all your "classic" tracks are put on by the track owners. Millville, Unadilla, Southwick, Red Bud, Budds Creek, Washougal.

This is simply a pay off, plain and simple
This is one of the most bizzare posts I have seen here on vitaldrive.

Because someone does business with someone is a reason to "not have a problem with them"?

I know plenty of people that I have done business with that I have problems with.

If there were "a lot" there, how come you are the only one still talking about it several years later?

And what the hell does this mean? - "Good question but all your "classic" tracks are put on by the track owners. Millville, Unadilla, Southwick, Red Bud, Budds Creek, Washougal."

So how is Muddy Creek different than all the other tracks mentioned? Does jobmasters or some other temp agency put the events on there?

As for the last statement.

Victory Sports hosted their first LL qualifier in 1987 at Muddy Creek, and has hosted at least one every year since then except for a few years when they had to sit out the year after they hosted a regional.

Ever since then VS has done improvements to the facility and has hosted huge events all over the Southeast. (most recently at the 25th Annual Suzuki Top Gun Showdownwith over 2000 entries) They have a reputation for running well prepared and organized events.

Sam has 25+ years experience running events and being involved in all aspects of the sport, including over 10 years as an AMA congressman and working as the director of the AATVA nationals.

And yes, VS goes to LL's every year and helps out just like they have since about 1997.

"Payoff?" ......I think "earned" and "way overdue" would be more realistic.

Find someone else that understands what it takes to run a huge event, has the experience to back it up, a facility that fits the bill, and has a history of working with others involved in all aspects of the sport.

I am glad most people understand that and aren't distracted by someone that has some kind of bitter agenda over something that happened back in 2010 (the last time there was a Regional qualifier at Ballance).
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11/16/2012 9:54am
yota wrote:
is this supposed to be the "SE" national? cause it's a 1300 mile round trip for me.
Yeah GA should be where a new national goes.
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11/16/2012 12:13pm
MotoX85,

"Good question but all your "classic" tracks are put on by the track owners. Millville, Unadilla, Southwick, Red Bud, Budds Creek, Washougal. "

You make a valid point, I dont know if any of these track owners ever had their hands in running multiple series or were always a "One track wonder", if you will... And I am sorry if you took what I said to think I don't feel a "One track wonder" are incapable of handling an event like this, I just felt the Victory Sports crew are well suited for it with all they do.
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i have a question.

does this mean that most all the events that used to be AMA held by VS are for 2013 going to be AMA again?


never been to muddy creek but heard alot of good things about the facility and track.
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11/16/2012 7:50pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2012 8:34pm
I have a question:

If AMA Pro racing is a completely separate entity now why would it matter?
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11/16/2012 8:48pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2012 8:51pm
Dont know if anyone posted this pic yet...it is off the front page on RX (Racerhead Header) of Muddy Creek, doesnt look muddy to me Blink

11/17/2012 5:25am
ocscottie wrote:
Dont know if anyone posted this pic yet...it is off the front page on RX (Racerhead Header) of Muddy Creek, doesnt look [i]muddy[/i] to me :blink...
Dont know if anyone posted this pic yet...it is off the front page on RX (Racerhead Header) of Muddy Creek, doesnt look muddy to me Blink

ha, no it doesn't, but I have been there for the season opener around the start of march and the ground was frozen first thing in the morning and as it thawed a little later, it became a suck ass'd mud fest.
11/17/2012 5:39am
It's gonna be an awesome event !!! Been my favorite track ever since I laid eyes on it 15+ years ago
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11/17/2012 6:54am
Crush wrote:
In other news, Mike Brown is keeping number 3 for the next 10 years...
You hit the nail on the head with that one. Wouldn't be surprised to see him fight for top 5 and easily hit top 10. He's amazing there!

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