Gym/fitness help for getting in race shape..

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11/5/2012 1:50pm Edited Date/Time 11/5/2012 1:51pm
FLmxer wrote:
Stationary bike and gym. also eliminating carbonated drinks helps a lot for arm pump. The best exercise for the arm pump is holding your arms straight...
Stationary bike and gym. also eliminating carbonated drinks helps a lot for arm pump. The best exercise for the arm pump is holding your arms straight in front of you and reeling a wieght up and down on a dow rod, no slippage, especially on unwinding down. It will mimic arm pump in one reel up and down and it works like nothing else.
flyinb501 wrote:
Does this work for you? I have heard many times that exercises like this that strengthen those arm muscles just make you more prone to arm...
Does this work for you? I have heard many times that exercises like this that strengthen those arm muscles just make you more prone to arm pump...
Yes it was a huge help for a few of us on our race team. It helps with endurance of your smallest muscles , the ones that wear out first and gets them used to the shock of explosive blood flow and lactic acid build up. It helps a ton.
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11/5/2012 2:17pm
Live on the spin bike. Go to some cycle classes. They will really work your cardio and there are almost always hot chicks in spandex in...
Live on the spin bike. Go to some cycle classes. They will really work your cardio and there are almost always hot chicks in spandex in them.
MR. X wrote:
X2 I pretend I'm chasing them.
GuyB wrote:
What happens if you catch them?
Im not sure i cant even gain any ground on them.
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11/5/2012 2:39pm
jman- What bike do you plan on getting to race/ ride? I noticed you're on the tall and thin side so that's going to make alot of difference.

If you're going the 250f route you're gonna need to be placing more of an emphasis on cardio to keep your weight down or people will eat you up on the starts, regardless if you're thin. Not to mention you'll have to ride with more intensity. If you'll be riding a duece and a half, I would suggest morning runs ( 2 miles to start with), PM stationary bike (the bulk of your time, 30 mins to an hour) at the gym,10-20 lb dumbell pushups/ as well as regular pushups and sit ups with static holds, each with x3 sets to begin with, work your way to six. Individual exercise reps you should decide, keep your limit and possible injury limit in mind though. Stretch thoroughly morning, night, midday and especially before and after workouts. Two weeks going hard every day, then a week of rest, all of this along with riding. The minute you're not sore on your off week is the minute you need to increase reps and/ or switch to comparable but different exercises. If you're riding a 450, do all of the prior with increased reps to start, along with free weight benching, curl bar, and dumbell curls. I've always agreed with the theory that many people get armpump on the bigger bikes because they're not strong enough to handle them, therefore, they're never relaxing. Of course riding technique is most of the battle, but being able to handle your bike when it does weird things is always a plus. But at the end of the day, only riding excessively cures armpump in my opinion, unless you have carpal tunnel or something of that nature. Basically, like others have said, legs and core are your concentration. But on bigger bikes I would certainly add that arm strength is a plus.

Often neglected, diet is every bit as, or more important as working out, and for riding you need TONS of useable, (preferably) whole wheat carbs, not to mention protein to repair and grow those worn muscles, BUT not so much that you brick your kidneys like the wanna body builders out there. Fruits and veges are an obvious as well. I feel protein supplements are not necessary in motocross if you're eating correctly and not doing 30 minute motos. Daily multi vitamins with an Omega supplement however, are an excellent idea. There are tons of awesome calorie, carb, and protein calculators on the internet that account for all kinds of activity levels, I suggest following one of them religiously and your body will thank you and you'll get that wonderful feeling of being ready to go for 3 more motos when the riders around you are gasping for air.

Crack a cold one or two open after your first ride back, one of the best feelings in the world Wink
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11/5/2012 2:55pm
Try Kettlebelts,, perfect for MX.
Core, strength and cardio. Add some C2 indoor rowing and ur fit for fight.

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11/5/2012 3:19pm
I've really , really wanted to give good cardio fitness a shot but I've always been worried I wouldn't be able to lift as hard and thus loose size. Not that I don't think it's possible I'm just worried about burning myself out trying it.
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11/5/2012 3:31pm
P90x doubles routine and a stationary bike have worked great for me. I don't follow the P90x diet as I eat healthy already but the workout program has helped keep me in all around great shape. I've always been in the gym lifting weights and exercising but after awhile I wasn't seeing the results I should of been seeing, so I switched it up to P90x and I saw and felt the results in a matter of a short couple of weeks. Like everybody has said before me cardio is key.
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11/5/2012 3:47pm Edited Date/Time 11/5/2012 3:48pm
When you are just getting yourself back into shape, spinner bikes are your best friend. For the first week or two you should just ride a...
When you are just getting yourself back into shape, spinner bikes are your best friend. For the first week or two you should just ride a spinner for an hour a day to get your body used to working hard and in a fat burning mode again. No matter what shape you are in, with motocross, your cardio could aways be better. As far as arm pump goes the only real thing that gets rid of it is seat time.
What pace should you maintain on the spinner to get good results if you do an hour per day? Like cal/hrs or mph.
Ryan Rogerson
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11/5/2012 5:45pm
Would highly recommend you guys check out my Rogerson Fitness Motocross Training 101 E-Book, I just posted a thread a few days ago that im running a special for the month of November also...but here is some info on the E-book.

Hey Guys,

I have released a Motocross Training E-book, Its 36 pages and includes a bunch of pictures, step by step exercise instructions, workout programs and a ton of good info on everything related to training. Im charging $10 (through Paypal or check) and it can be sent through paypal and I will email you the PDF files. It will be up on my website www.rogersonfitness.com But I am having some issues with my website designer getting it up there, but the book is 100% done and ready to go!

My Facebook is- Ryan Rogerson
Email is- Rog447@comcast.net
Twitter- @RogersonFitness

If you have any questions at all feel free to ask here or contact me through one of the above.

Im new to the boards, so I will introduce myself. My name is Ryan Rogerson, I raced MX since a young age and held a professional motocross license in 2005. Since then I have became a certified personal trainer and specialist in performance nutrition. I am also an Optimum Nutrition and American Bodybuilding sponsored athlete. Anyway enough about me..if you want to read my full bio check out my website at www.rogersonfitness.com.

Here is the cover


And a screenshot of one of the exercise's
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11/5/2012 6:17pm
I started doing some swimming last winter and learned how good that is for strength and cardio.

As I always say with arm pump.........ride long motos and stick to the motos........no 3 laps and cruise and 2 laps and pull off. You gotta suffer a little.
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11/5/2012 6:44pm
When you are just getting yourself back into shape, spinner bikes are your best friend. For the first week or two you should just ride a...
When you are just getting yourself back into shape, spinner bikes are your best friend. For the first week or two you should just ride a spinner for an hour a day to get your body used to working hard and in a fat burning mode again. No matter what shape you are in, with motocross, your cardio could aways be better. As far as arm pump goes the only real thing that gets rid of it is seat time.
HenryA wrote:
What pace should you maintain on the spinner to get good results if you do an hour per day? Like cal/hrs or mph.
Between 90 and 100 rpm at the highest resistance you can maintain it.
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11/5/2012 7:02pm
Jman I used to go to the Planet Fitness down here in OP it doesn't have a whole ton of stuff. Mine didn't have any rowers but everyone is on the right track. Nothing gets you in shape for riding like riding does. I rode more this summer than I have in a lot of years and I am in way better riding shape because of it. The RacerX virtual trainer stuff has some good stuff and the videos on Transworld I've found are pretty good stuff to throw in as well. DO NOT use those grip deals those actually train your arms to pump up they are bad news. I just try and lift without a bunch rest like 20 seconds in between reps and keep my heart rate up. Anything you can do will help on the bike but there is nothing better than being on one.
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11/5/2012 7:40pm
If you want to see what's wrong with CrossFit, watch this video. I know alot of people who have gotten hurt doing Olympic lifts in CrossFit workouts while being supervised by "Strongman" coaches or CrossFit instructors who have no bussiness
teaching this advanced technique. This is 4 minutes of pure stupidity that is actually a promotional video. Check your instructors creditials!

http://youtu.be/BDDyxXyf6UU
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11/6/2012 12:38am
Ryan's fitness e-book is a really helpful guide for the strength side of things. He goes in depth on the major muscle groups you need to be working on, how often, how much, etc. and gives examples on how you could plan out your week.

For the cardio side, you need to look at the stuff on racerxvt.com. Buy a heart rate monitor and divide the year in 3 categories: Off-season, pre-season and in-season. Each of these 3 categories has specific workouts and also the time and intensity of the workout will change drastically as your riding time changes.
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11/6/2012 12:47am
I know cardio and stuff is real important but I still say as a 33 Y/O myself I find seat time is the best cure still. I try to ride 3 time a week. I know everyone cant do that but you are amazed how working on your technique and what works for you riding wise makes you ride more efficient in regards to energy used to go faster. Not to sound all 2 stroke talibanish but I bought a YZ250 and I have rode it quite a bit in the last month. Not only does it make you corner faster then a 450 but you have to work it harder to do what you can on the 450 with ease.

Also if you cant do gym or ride I have family and friends who own farms that could employ you! Lol. That my friend is the best all around core muscle workouts you will ever get. Lol. 110 degrees in a hay barn stacking hay for 8-10 hours a day most of the summer will whip you into shape. Lol.
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11/6/2012 2:25am
Live on the spin bike. Go to some cycle classes. They will really work your cardio and there are almost always hot chicks in spandex in...
Live on the spin bike. Go to some cycle classes. They will really work your cardio and there are almost always hot chicks in spandex in them.
IMO Cycling outdoors is more effective use of time, you have to deal with other road users, weather, surface conditions, concentrate much more which all relates to MX. Girls in spandex sounds great but not what happens on the track.
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11/6/2012 5:42am
Live on the spin bike. Go to some cycle classes. They will really work your cardio and there are almost always hot chicks in spandex in...
Live on the spin bike. Go to some cycle classes. They will really work your cardio and there are almost always hot chicks in spandex in them.
wow123 wrote:
IMO Cycling outdoors is more effective use of time, you have to deal with other road users, weather, surface conditions, concentrate much more which all relates...
IMO Cycling outdoors is more effective use of time, you have to deal with other road users, weather, surface conditions, concentrate much more which all relates to MX. Girls in spandex sounds great but not what happens on the track.
I agree with you, but the OP just joined a gym and asked what to do at the gym that would help with moto. Planet Fitness doesn't have Concept 2's so spinning it is.
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11/6/2012 6:38am Edited Date/Time 11/6/2012 6:49am
watson wrote:
jman- What bike do you plan on getting to race/ ride? I noticed you're on the tall and thin side so that's going to make alot...
jman- What bike do you plan on getting to race/ ride? I noticed you're on the tall and thin side so that's going to make alot of difference.

If you're going the 250f route you're gonna need to be placing more of an emphasis on cardio to keep your weight down or people will eat you up on the starts, regardless if you're thin. Not to mention you'll have to ride with more intensity. If you'll be riding a duece and a half, I would suggest morning runs ( 2 miles to start with), PM stationary bike (the bulk of your time, 30 mins to an hour) at the gym,10-20 lb dumbell pushups/ as well as regular pushups and sit ups with static holds, each with x3 sets to begin with, work your way to six. Individual exercise reps you should decide, keep your limit and possible injury limit in mind though. Stretch thoroughly morning, night, midday and especially before and after workouts. Two weeks going hard every day, then a week of rest, all of this along with riding. The minute you're not sore on your off week is the minute you need to increase reps and/ or switch to comparable but different exercises. If you're riding a 450, do all of the prior with increased reps to start, along with free weight benching, curl bar, and dumbell curls. I've always agreed with the theory that many people get armpump on the bigger bikes because they're not strong enough to handle them, therefore, they're never relaxing. Of course riding technique is most of the battle, but being able to handle your bike when it does weird things is always a plus. But at the end of the day, only riding excessively cures armpump in my opinion, unless you have carpal tunnel or something of that nature. Basically, like others have said, legs and core are your concentration. But on bigger bikes I would certainly add that arm strength is a plus.

Often neglected, diet is every bit as, or more important as working out, and for riding you need TONS of useable, (preferably) whole wheat carbs, not to mention protein to repair and grow those worn muscles, BUT not so much that you brick your kidneys like the wanna body builders out there. Fruits and veges are an obvious as well. I feel protein supplements are not necessary in motocross if you're eating correctly and not doing 30 minute motos. Daily multi vitamins with an Omega supplement however, are an excellent idea. There are tons of awesome calorie, carb, and protein calculators on the internet that account for all kinds of activity levels, I suggest following one of them religiously and your body will thank you and you'll get that wonderful feeling of being ready to go for 3 more motos when the riders around you are gasping for air.

Crack a cold one or two open after your first ride back, one of the best feelings in the world Wink
Im a 250f rider, i never have liked the 450s. Since i always have had bad arm pump, riding a 450 has always just made it come on that much quicker. I have contemplated buying a 350 as a friend of mine had one and said he knows my style and thinks i would like it, but that would be the biggest bike id get.

I did get a chance to ride this past weekend a buddies 250f and had a blast. Gripping with my legs is just something ill have to figure out on my own. Im also a terrible and picky eater so im limited on what i can and like to eat. I do need to cut down on the chips, and probably cut back on the 12oz curls at night as well.

Thanks to everyone who has replied. Im limited on the time i can workout with my kids, and with not having a bike yet so i wont get seat time until next sping. Being limited on the equipment ill be able to use I will focus mostly are cardio with the bike, core strength, and throw in some other upper body workouts on off days...o and try to eat better as well.

Matt300, what would be a good resistance to start at on a bike, ive always hit the treadmill or just ran outside.

Regarding a heart rate monitor, how do i know what my peak is, thats something i have no knowledge or info on.
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11/6/2012 6:57am
Fearo wrote:
Ryan's fitness e-book is a really helpful guide for the strength side of things. He goes in depth on the major muscle groups you need to...
Ryan's fitness e-book is a really helpful guide for the strength side of things. He goes in depth on the major muscle groups you need to be working on, how often, how much, etc. and gives examples on how you could plan out your week.

For the cardio side, you need to look at the stuff on racerxvt.com. Buy a heart rate monitor and divide the year in 3 categories: Off-season, pre-season and in-season. Each of these 3 categories has specific workouts and also the time and intensity of the workout will change drastically as your riding time changes.
Racerxvt has some great cardio stuff, and I think you recommendation is great (dividing season's up like that). But I also totally agree with ehr400, im not huge on having my rider's trudging away doing 1hr+ cardio on the elliptical/spin bikes etc, but its nothing like a motocross race. I see way to many guy's doing 1hr or more of STEADY STATE cardio and keeping your heart rate at 150bpm. When you are racing your heart rate is all over the place! Im more of an intense sprint/interval type of guy for >45 minutes. Your riding should take care of most of your cardiovascular work, and there is a fine line with OVER doing the cardio aspect (as well as the weights).
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11/6/2012 9:50am
If I have about 4 months this winter to train, How much do you guys suggest to split up Between base aerobic cardio and How much time dedicated to anaerobic interval workouts. I'm preparing for mix of mx and 2-3 hour cross country events and need to drop some pounds and establish strong aerobic cardio first.
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11/6/2012 5:21pm
watson wrote:
jman- What bike do you plan on getting to race/ ride? I noticed you're on the tall and thin side so that's going to make alot...
jman- What bike do you plan on getting to race/ ride? I noticed you're on the tall and thin side so that's going to make alot of difference.

If you're going the 250f route you're gonna need to be placing more of an emphasis on cardio to keep your weight down or people will eat you up on the starts, regardless if you're thin. Not to mention you'll have to ride with more intensity. If you'll be riding a duece and a half, I would suggest morning runs ( 2 miles to start with), PM stationary bike (the bulk of your time, 30 mins to an hour) at the gym,10-20 lb dumbell pushups/ as well as regular pushups and sit ups with static holds, each with x3 sets to begin with, work your way to six. Individual exercise reps you should decide, keep your limit and possible injury limit in mind though. Stretch thoroughly morning, night, midday and especially before and after workouts. Two weeks going hard every day, then a week of rest, all of this along with riding. The minute you're not sore on your off week is the minute you need to increase reps and/ or switch to comparable but different exercises. If you're riding a 450, do all of the prior with increased reps to start, along with free weight benching, curl bar, and dumbell curls. I've always agreed with the theory that many people get armpump on the bigger bikes because they're not strong enough to handle them, therefore, they're never relaxing. Of course riding technique is most of the battle, but being able to handle your bike when it does weird things is always a plus. But at the end of the day, only riding excessively cures armpump in my opinion, unless you have carpal tunnel or something of that nature. Basically, like others have said, legs and core are your concentration. But on bigger bikes I would certainly add that arm strength is a plus.

Often neglected, diet is every bit as, or more important as working out, and for riding you need TONS of useable, (preferably) whole wheat carbs, not to mention protein to repair and grow those worn muscles, BUT not so much that you brick your kidneys like the wanna body builders out there. Fruits and veges are an obvious as well. I feel protein supplements are not necessary in motocross if you're eating correctly and not doing 30 minute motos. Daily multi vitamins with an Omega supplement however, are an excellent idea. There are tons of awesome calorie, carb, and protein calculators on the internet that account for all kinds of activity levels, I suggest following one of them religiously and your body will thank you and you'll get that wonderful feeling of being ready to go for 3 more motos when the riders around you are gasping for air.

Crack a cold one or two open after your first ride back, one of the best feelings in the world Wink
Jman277 wrote:
Im a 250f rider, i never have liked the 450s. Since i always have had bad arm pump, riding a 450 has always just made it...
Im a 250f rider, i never have liked the 450s. Since i always have had bad arm pump, riding a 450 has always just made it come on that much quicker. I have contemplated buying a 350 as a friend of mine had one and said he knows my style and thinks i would like it, but that would be the biggest bike id get.

I did get a chance to ride this past weekend a buddies 250f and had a blast. Gripping with my legs is just something ill have to figure out on my own. Im also a terrible and picky eater so im limited on what i can and like to eat. I do need to cut down on the chips, and probably cut back on the 12oz curls at night as well.

Thanks to everyone who has replied. Im limited on the time i can workout with my kids, and with not having a bike yet so i wont get seat time until next sping. Being limited on the equipment ill be able to use I will focus mostly are cardio with the bike, core strength, and throw in some other upper body workouts on off days...o and try to eat better as well.

Matt300, what would be a good resistance to start at on a bike, ive always hit the treadmill or just ran outside.

Regarding a heart rate monitor, how do i know what my peak is, thats something i have no knowledge or info on.
Dude I think we need to get together and go riding because you sound just like me. I'm a crappy eater too. I've got a 350 if you want to give it a try. I have always been the same way I don't like 450s but a 250 just isn't quite enough for a vet rider.
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11/6/2012 6:06pm
I've spent years trying to figure out the right formula for getting into great shape where I could ride without getting tired. Everyone says there is no substitute for riding but at 35 years old married with two kids it’s hard to ride every weekend or multiple times a week. About 2 years ago I bought a road bike but could not really get into it. Then I found a safe place to ride it and I've really gotten into that and mountain biking. Since I did that over the last year I’ve gotten into the best shape of my life and can now ride without getting tired. On days I don't ride the road bike I just do pull ups, pushups, and core exercises. Get yourself a heart rate monitor and ride your motorcycle with it. Take that data and put it to your road bike ride. For example I ride for about 2 hours on the road bike and my average heart rate is 170 something. My heart rate on the motorcycle is about the same. The mountain bike is just for fun but it will help with your cardio and help maintain your other skills that are required on the motorcycle like line selection. Picking lines thru rocks, tree roots etc all translate over to riding the motorcycle. Time on both the road bike and mountain bike have helped me tremendously over the last year.
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11/6/2012 6:26pm
I'm going to go different this time. Almost 56, no real riding consistency for almost 5 years. I'm going to put sometime on the bike in the desert. I can ride longer at a different pace. I feel like if I try to get straight into moto I put too much pressure on myself and get frustrated. I will fill the non riding times with cardio by elliptical trainer and going to try spinning too.

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