New Product - Thoughts?

MOTO120
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Edited Date/Time 10/26/2012 5:39pm
Just curious what peoples thoughts would be for an all titanium motocross stand? Not trying to re-invent the wheel, my design is a "standard" operating stand but with a new/modern look....made of titanium (rubber top to be applied with Ti hardware as well). There would be locations where personalized graphics could be applied if the user wanted to. A stand that would weigh much less than the current aluminum/plasitc stands available yet be stronger..... Just kind of wanting to see if the interest would be there.

Thanks for any input
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10/26/2012 12:37pm
I really hate how my aluminium stand kind of "bends" into the center because of wear and tear. How would the titanium one hold up with that?
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10/26/2012 12:37pm
If it wasn't too much more expensive than the current stuff, then great! But I can't help thinking , being Ti, it'd cost a whole bunch more Wink
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10/26/2012 12:38pm
The Oracle wrote:
I really hate how my aluminium stand kind of "bends" into the center because of wear and tear. How would the titanium one hold up with...
I really hate how my aluminium stand kind of "bends" into the center because of wear and tear. How would the titanium one hold up with that?
The design of this stand and it being titanium, that center "cave" effect would practically be eliminated.....
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10/26/2012 12:40pm
Sounds expensive. Main thing I don't like about my stand is it takes up a lot of room for no more than it does. We need more fold up options.

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10/26/2012 12:46pm Edited Date/Time 10/26/2012 12:48pm
Considering 2 "popular" stands retail for $120 and $110, would the interest be there if an all Ti stand was retail for $135? I'll be the first to say that $135 isn't cheap but take into consideration that you are getting a much stronger and lighter Ti stand compared to Aluminum or Plastic. Just a thought.....
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10/26/2012 12:49pm
Overkill. Too trick and too much money for a stand. Then you'd really have to worry about someone snagging it while you are out doing a moto.
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10/26/2012 12:53pm Edited Date/Time 10/26/2012 1:03pm
FGR01 wrote:
Overkill. Too trick and too much money for a stand. Then you'd really have to worry about someone snagging it while you are out doing a...
Overkill. Too trick and too much money for a stand. Then you'd really have to worry about someone snagging it while you are out doing a moto.
What if it were priced between the 2 "popular" stands listed above....say has a $115 retail? Would the fact that you're getting a BETTER stand for about the same money entice you any more? Wishful thinking maybe but just throwing it out there. Thanks for the input though.
10/26/2012 1:00pm
It's been done, call Akrapovic.
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10/26/2012 1:03pm
If it's Akro, it's probably $400, lol.
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10/26/2012 1:07pm
If it's Akro, it's probably $400, lol.
Exactly!
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10/26/2012 1:09pm
i usually lean mine against my truck
10/26/2012 1:19pm
peelout wrote:
i usually lean mine against my truck
Caveman.

I use the bike strap in the truck and lean it away from the bed. Leave 'er in gear and you're good.
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10/26/2012 1:29pm
peelout wrote:
i usually lean mine against my truck
I just grab the front brake and hold er wide open until I have a deep enough hole that it stands on its own!
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10/26/2012 1:45pm
brakkeman_ wrote:
It's been done, call Akrapovic.[img]http://www.akrapovic-fanshop.com/files/8051/products/3162788/mx_stand_titanium__akrapovic_motor_stand.jpg[/img]
It's been done, call Akrapovic.
£279 including 20% sales tax (VAT) If you buy it in the States they'll take the VAT off. So that's $363 (@ $1.58 each pound) plus postage and whatever import duties you've to pay.

From Calsport.co.uk .
10/26/2012 1:48pm
I don't see how u manufacture an all Ti stand for $135 unless the material is "borrowed" Ti isn't cheap in it's raw form...
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10/26/2012 1:50pm
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10/26/2012 1:53pm
Im sure a few clowns would buy a Ti stand, but dont plan on selling too many of them.
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10/26/2012 1:59pm Edited Date/Time 10/26/2012 2:01pm
FGR01 wrote:
Overkill. Too trick and too much money for a stand. Then you'd really have to worry about someone snagging it while you are out doing a...
Overkill. Too trick and too much money for a stand. Then you'd really have to worry about someone snagging it while you are out doing a moto.
MOTO120 wrote:
What if it were priced between the 2 "popular" stands listed above....say has a $115 retail? Would the fact that you're getting a BETTER stand for...
What if it were priced between the 2 "popular" stands listed above....say has a $115 retail? Would the fact that you're getting a BETTER stand for about the same money entice you any more? Wishful thinking maybe but just throwing it out there. Thanks for the input though.
I (and I think a lot of other people) only payed around $50 or something for a stand. So we wouldn't buy something that is $115 (if it's titanium or aluminium).

However if I was someone who would pay $120 for a stand (and there are probally people who would) then I would opt for a titanium stand instead of an aluminium stand, if it had a nice design and around the same price. If you also provide a nice finish then I would pay a little more for a titanium stand instead of an aluminium stand
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10/26/2012 2:44pm
Price is your biggest concern these days. The quality would be awesome, I'm sure, but there are precious few out there who are even looking at quality.
What's the best-selling goggle? Cheap-o Thor and Scott - the $25 model.
What's the best-selling gear? Answer $100 sets.
Best-selling helmet? HJC, Answer/MSR $99

I worry that the stand market wouldn't support such a pricey item, considering its function. I love quality stuff myself and even I am running the same old bent up stand I've had for (lterally) a dozen years. I'll buy a stand when I get a 2nd bike (unlikely) or when this one completely falls apart (10 more years, maybe?)
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10/26/2012 3:22pm
I like it.

You get what ya pat for.

Not all of us run Knock-Offs.

Go for it! Quality over Quantity all day.

Sell it for $199.
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10/26/2012 4:07pm
peelout wrote:
i usually lean mine against my truck
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10/26/2012 4:14pm
Thanks for the input so far guys, I appreciate it!
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10/26/2012 4:56pm
Opinion? A titanium stand would be near the top of the "Things I don't need" list.
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10/26/2012 5:18pm
You need to define your market. Look at your avitar. How many people run anodized axle and bolts just to add bling and not function? That would be your target demographic. Of that demographic, how many would buy a stand? I personally use the same stand I built myself when I was 16 years old in welding class. They don't wear out. In some industries,such as furniture, there are people that will put name, style and design over function, durability and comfort. The design segment, that is a segment of the furniture industry. You are talking about a motor sport and motor sport industry. Are there gucci, Louis Vuitton and Prada type companies in the motor industry? No, even the top of the line aftermarket companies are also the top of the line in performance and function. PC for instance.
I don't know the true result you will find out with your research but off of my assumption I would think you would have to differentiate yourself in function or purpose. A stand is for either holding a bike in the pits for displaying it or on the work bench for working on it with either place being a medium for each of those functions. In the pits, you could garner more sales by designing a stand that offers either convenience in its purpose for minor work ability or function as in a display and advertising. Can you get people to buy your stand because it offers a place to display their sponsors in a better way than any other stand out there? I'll admit if you have a bling bike you should have a bling stand. But what is that segment of consumer in this motor sport? And who benefits from people seeing this bling? The team, the sponsor, the owner, the rider? Who is going to buy it? A team, a rider, an amateur, a pro? I don't think a weekend warrior. There is no doubt there is a market for it. There is a market for anything. But how big is that market? Define your prospected customer and take a look at the numbers. Keep in mind if you are going to wholesale it or direct retail it. Money it would take to attract customers, marketing ect. If your segement is small you need to make more margin in your sales to support the lack in numbers ect. I don't know the motorcycle industry but I would assume that if you can't make a 50% margin at wholesale prices, with minimal investment, I would leave it alone.
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10/26/2012 5:39pm
Rupert X wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/10/26/Amish_bike_stand_006_942112.JPG[/img]
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