Off Season Talk... SX Changes?!

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10/6/2012 5:00pm
Run each round on a different National track during the day.
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10/6/2012 5:06pm
Have everyone run stock bikes. Would be very interesting.
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10/6/2012 5:14pm
I know this topic is mostly about program changes but I had an idea for something safety related.

With some of the controversy to do with flags/flashing lights and riders not paying attention or seeing things in time, why can't they put a small beacon on the bars that has some lights in it that flash colors? Say for the triple section if there is a yellow flag out the light can flash yellow, red flag with a red light etc. if there are no caution flags out then have the light be Green, white, or checkered depending on the situation.

I'll shut up now.
10/6/2012 5:28pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2012 5:59pm
JeremyL wrote:
I know this topic is mostly about program changes but I had an idea for something safety related. With some of the controversy to do with...
I know this topic is mostly about program changes but I had an idea for something safety related.

With some of the controversy to do with flags/flashing lights and riders not paying attention or seeing things in time, why can't they put a small beacon on the bars that has some lights in it that flash colors? Say for the triple section if there is a yellow flag out the light can flash yellow, red flag with a red light etc. if there are no caution flags out then have the light be Green, white, or checkered depending on the situation.

I'll shut up now.
I kind of agree with you, but I don't think on the bars is a good place. When focusing on turns, lappers, competition, jumps, ruts, etc, it could be hard to see. I think putting a round LED lightbar on top of the flashing lights that is visible from 360 degrees so you can see it ahead of time would help. That way you can see it before you enter the turn, through the turn, and after the turn. Something similiar to this, but in amber. Just something that flashes to tell the riders "Hey this light isn't green this time by"



Tuff block covers should completely cover the tuff blocks. Not just slip over the top and cover the 5 sides. Put a zipper on the bottom so they can be removed, but so they don't come off so easily when a footpeg catches them.

I agree with 20 min + 2 laps. Lap times are just too short.

I would also like to see at least one lane at each race that is divided. Where it's one lane, that's been split into two smaller lanes, each with a totally different jump combination and rhythm from the other. Where two riders are going side by side down the same lane, but with two totally different approaches.

Gnarlier whoops. I know it's more fair without whoops or with tamer whoops, but this isn't NASCAR. It's not about leveling the playing field. This is Supercross, reward the ballsy riders willing to hang it out 4th gear pinned through a crazy whoop section.

Off camber turns. Mix it up a bit.

That thing KTM did with the kids was cool. They didn't really tear up the track, and I think it was good for the kids in the stands to see those kids out there and be able to relate. Often times kids care less about what "grown ups" do and better relate to what other kids are doing. I think it was good to help get the children of "the casual fan" more interested in the sport. Plus it was good advertisement for KTM. But the TV time slot probably no longer allowed it.

I'm sure I'll think of more and edit this later, but that's all I can think of for now.

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10/6/2012 5:39pm
TDeath21 wrote:
I hope you're joking. I don't think you really want points awarded to someone who wins an 8 lap heat race with only half the competition.
Nobody said it had to be full points for a heat win but 5 or something would mix it up a bit.
10/6/2012 6:08pm
How about wider, safer and more imaginative tracks Feld? Getting tired of relatively easy cookie cutter one lined tracks where everybody is doing the same things with no opportunity to make up time or pass. This is (indoor) Motocross dammit, make the tracks more challenging for the riders like they used to be back in the day! The races are over too fast so lets get lap times for the fastest riders up over a minute. Also timed mains, maybe 20+2 laps?
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10/6/2012 6:50pm
Some good ideas thus far...

Think i've talked about with others on here the 15min+2 or 20min+2 structures... seems that would be better... the exception being leave it at Daytona and Vegas cause they have 1min + lap times...

WE have had the amateur thing in Australia for years and generally it is fine... especially if it was 125s... if they run practice and a race earlier in the day and then their 5 lap main in the intermission they fit in fine... and making it 125s means it is only the kids that can truly handle themselves that try the big shit and they are fine... the rest it is jus exposure, getting them used to it and a good time.

Tracks kill me most years but more dirt and 20+2 seems it would help more than anything...

I think the heat race points would be cool... Bubba would have been right in both titles these last few years with these... They could do 1 for a heat race and 1 for fastest lap each lap of the main or something...

Apparently it is the teams that don't wanna make any changes at the races, would be cool to see if the ME cup joker thing and swapping gate is ok that the teams thought about doing some fun stuff...

Also Bathurst is on right now... They did a great tech segment with a deconstructed car in a studio... and the guy was walking through all the adjustments and what that actually does to tyre camber, roll, engine settings blah blah blah... was really cool... Would be cool if the J-Bone segments got more specialised like that..
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10/6/2012 8:32pm
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Mother of god, that actually might be awesome if dimebag was still alive.
No way Dime was way too bad ass to "get yur ride yawn"

On an unrelated note I got to meet Phil A a couple weeks ago. He was cool, my life is now complete. ha

Dave-Do you think you guys will get to raise that banner this year or is the whole season a wash?
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10/6/2012 8:44pm
Tuff block covers should completely cover the tuff blocks. Not just slip over the top and cover the 5 sides. Put a zipper on the bottom so they can be removed, but so they don't come off so easily when a footpeg catches them.

That one was taken care of last season after the Canard incident.
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10/6/2012 8:53pm
Good points!!

Bring back the KTM kids!!!!

They can't do semis because of TV contracts.

Amatures would get killed.

250- 15min +2
450- 20min +2

Have a Doug Domokis (sp.) type guy do a wheelie lap!
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No way Dime was way too bad ass to "get yur ride yawn" On an unrelated note I got to meet Phil A a couple weeks...
No way Dime was way too bad ass to "get yur ride yawn"

On an unrelated note I got to meet Phil A a couple weeks ago. He was cool, my life is now complete. ha

Dave-Do you think you guys will get to raise that banner this year or is the whole season a wash?
I've been wondering the same thing. I think its a wash because kopitar went to sweden to play with his bro.
So i don't think they have anything serious planned with players going over seas and playing in the AHL.

I just look at as we are now 2 year champs hahahaWhistling
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10/6/2012 9:09pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2012 10:03pm
I just got done watching the San Diego SX. i don't know what they could do about lappers, but something needs to happen with that situation. Mike Alessi at San Diego last year made me want to put my head through the tv screen and yell GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!!!! I think when you hold up race leaders for that long you should get the black flag period, that was some bull shit.
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10/6/2012 9:15pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2012 9:16pm
The teams don't want any changes to the tracks. They want their bikes and riders set-up and used to every SX track on the circuit. They don't want to have to continue testing and be off guard or unprepared on bike set-up for ANY race. The current schedule was made to fit the TV schedule. It's all about TV and what the teams want. We fans have no say and they will not listen to us. And if they did, the racing would be exactly the same as 12 years ago. Gnarlier tracks, multiple lines, better dirt, qualis, semis and they would be racing 2-strokes!
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10/6/2012 9:47pm
TDeath21 wrote:
No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much...
No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much better idea than the 15 minute mains we have. I would also like to see the 450s go first in SX.
BobbyM wrote:
why is that stupid? yer comment seems stupi..der
Heat wins gate pick nothing else. No points should ever be given. That would just be asinine!
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10/6/2012 10:07pm
Wisco322 wrote:
Team points. Teams with 2-4 riders qualify for points. Championship winning teams get to run red backgrounds for the next season even if the riders dont...
Team points. Teams with 2-4 riders qualify for points. Championship winning teams get to run red backgrounds for the next season even if the riders dont earn #1.
dkg wrote:
Great idea. Just needs to be averaged for the number of riders per team.
In Formula 1 they have a similar idea called the Constructors championship. The team actually wins money for it from the FIA or promoters. This would probably just make the bigger budget teams have bigger budgets.
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10/6/2012 10:26pm
The best thing that could happen is a 125 pinger class. Who wouldn't want to see that again.
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Crush wrote:
Some good ideas thus far... Think i've talked about with others on here the 15min+2 or 20min+2 structures... seems that would be better... the exception being...
Some good ideas thus far...

Think i've talked about with others on here the 15min+2 or 20min+2 structures... seems that would be better... the exception being leave it at Daytona and Vegas cause they have 1min + lap times...

WE have had the amateur thing in Australia for years and generally it is fine... especially if it was 125s... if they run practice and a race earlier in the day and then their 5 lap main in the intermission they fit in fine... and making it 125s means it is only the kids that can truly handle themselves that try the big shit and they are fine... the rest it is jus exposure, getting them used to it and a good time.

Tracks kill me most years but more dirt and 20+2 seems it would help more than anything...

I think the heat race points would be cool... Bubba would have been right in both titles these last few years with these... They could do 1 for a heat race and 1 for fastest lap each lap of the main or something...

Apparently it is the teams that don't wanna make any changes at the races, would be cool to see if the ME cup joker thing and swapping gate is ok that the teams thought about doing some fun stuff...

Also Bathurst is on right now... They did a great tech segment with a deconstructed car in a studio... and the guy was walking through all the adjustments and what that actually does to tyre camber, roll, engine settings blah blah blah... was really cool... Would be cool if the J-Bone segments got more specialised like that..
Back to the old days in Aus this year Crush, there will be five classes at the supercross races this year

450, 250, Under 19s, Junior Lites 125/150 2 stroke / 250F and a big wheel 85 class, all racing the full size Supercross track, back to seeing one or two kids hitting a 60-70 foot tripple on a 85!

As for the AMA, I see why the go with quantity of laps for SX and not time plus laps. With the shorter race times these days why not make it (think someone has already posted)

25 laps for 450 Class
20 laps for 250 classes

Daytona and Vegas stay the traditional 20/15 and also have the 20/15 laps in for any mudders, that should ensure every round has a plus 20 minute main event for the 450 class and 15 minute plus main event for the 250 classes.

Track layout has to be hard for these guys these day, what cant a 450 jump these days, apart from Daytona is there an actual venue that could not be jumped end to end these days by a 450 with a big enough run up , or done in two jumps with nearly no run up!
10/7/2012 2:26am
Hut wrote:
The best thing that could happen is a 125 pinger class. Who wouldn't want to see that again.
20 mins plus two laps and a 2 stroke class (even if the 2 stroke class is not televised)
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10/7/2012 3:02am
TDeath21 wrote:
No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much...
No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much better idea than the 15 minute mains we have. I would also like to see the 450s go first in SX.
Agree, the mains need to be long 15 minute races are not good value for money. 15 plus two for the lites and 20 plus two for the 450s and some semis back in. They need to give the fans more racing and less fluff.
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10/7/2012 4:39am
Points for heat race wins sounds like a pro circuit idea to get Davalos a championship.
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10/7/2012 5:55am
Aaryn234 wrote:
Back to the old days in Aus this year Crush, there will be five classes at the supercross races this year 450, 250, Under 19s, Junior...
Back to the old days in Aus this year Crush, there will be five classes at the supercross races this year

450, 250, Under 19s, Junior Lites 125/150 2 stroke / 250F and a big wheel 85 class, all racing the full size Supercross track, back to seeing one or two kids hitting a 60-70 foot tripple on a 85!

As for the AMA, I see why the go with quantity of laps for SX and not time plus laps. With the shorter race times these days why not make it (think someone has already posted)

25 laps for 450 Class
20 laps for 250 classes

Daytona and Vegas stay the traditional 20/15 and also have the 20/15 laps in for any mudders, that should ensure every round has a plus 20 minute main event for the 450 class and 15 minute plus main event for the 250 classes.

Track layout has to be hard for these guys these day, what cant a 450 jump these days, apart from Daytona is there an actual venue that could not be jumped end to end these days by a 450 with a big enough run up , or done in two jumps with nearly no run up!
"Points for heat race wins sounds like a pro circuit idea to get Davalos a championship." - That's hilarious!

The track layout thing I kinda think people are making it harder than it needs to be... Did you guys see the Jeremy McGrath invitational?! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying use ramps, but it's amazing what a bit more dirt can do to the racing and the visual appeal of the sport!



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10/7/2012 7:45am
I just hope they don't get rid of the Toyota tuff block challenge. Soooo exciting not to mention how impressive it is to see a truck that nothing will fit in the bed of it without the tailgate falling off.

By the way, the Toyota people told me that no one wants a full sized bed on a Crew Max Tundra. All the while they are promoting them at SX and MX races. The world really is full of stupid people. Odd how they end up in marketing.....



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10/7/2012 2:02pm
Heat race points with a lottery gate pick for the main?
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10/7/2012 2:28pm
BR_HERO wrote:
Heat race points with a lottery gate pick for the main?
Smile That would be interesting also.
I'm all for trying to shake things up a bit.
10/7/2012 3:52pm Edited Date/Time 7/4/2013 12:18pm
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10/7/2012 3:58pm
BR_HERO wrote:
Heat race points with a lottery gate pick for the main?
FastEddy wrote:
Smile That would be interesting also.
I'm all for trying to shake things up a bit.
It would really make things interesting in my opinion. I could see it causing a lot of drama that's for sure.
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10/7/2012 5:26pm
TDeath21 wrote:
No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much...
No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much better idea than the 15 minute mains we have. I would also like to see the 450s go first in SX.
BobbyM wrote:
why is that stupid? yer comment seems stupi..der
God damnit. Every so often Bobby hobbles in and makes sense.
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Aaryn234 wrote:
Back to the old days in Aus this year Crush, there will be five classes at the supercross races this year 450, 250, Under 19s, Junior...
Back to the old days in Aus this year Crush, there will be five classes at the supercross races this year

450, 250, Under 19s, Junior Lites 125/150 2 stroke / 250F and a big wheel 85 class, all racing the full size Supercross track, back to seeing one or two kids hitting a 60-70 foot tripple on a 85!

As for the AMA, I see why the go with quantity of laps for SX and not time plus laps. With the shorter race times these days why not make it (think someone has already posted)

25 laps for 450 Class
20 laps for 250 classes

Daytona and Vegas stay the traditional 20/15 and also have the 20/15 laps in for any mudders, that should ensure every round has a plus 20 minute main event for the 450 class and 15 minute plus main event for the 250 classes.

Track layout has to be hard for these guys these day, what cant a 450 jump these days, apart from Daytona is there an actual venue that could not be jumped end to end these days by a 450 with a big enough run up , or done in two jumps with nearly no run up!
"Points for heat race wins sounds like a pro circuit idea to get Davalos a championship." - That's hilarious!

The track layout thing I kinda think people are making it harder than it needs to be... Did you guys see the Jeremy McGrath invitational?! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying use ramps, but it's amazing what a bit more dirt can do to the racing and the visual appeal of the sport!



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10/8/2012 5:35am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2012 5:37am
20 + 2 for the mains would be great. Or the 25/20 thing. Anything to get us a bit longer main...

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