FIM vs. AMA article so correct.

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Edited Date/Time 10/2/2012 3:08pm
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Give it up Mohammed. Please
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Give it up Mohammed. Please
Dont you agree with the article? give up what?
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I assume it says that the GPs are better? On this track on this day, the AMA guys did okay. Roczen did good, Barcia did good, Dungey and Baggett did okay, Musquin struggled. The thing I hate about the GP vs AMA argument at the Des Nations is that the AMA usually only has about 5 to 10 riders in it, because many of the AMA riders stay home because the US can only send three riders.
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10/2/2012 7:04am
Any care to hear what 6X GP champ and best sand rider in the world tony cairoli has to say about this debate?

You haven’t had the best luck at Motocross des Nations, mostly crashes, over the years. You’ve got to be pretty pumped that you have finally shown "Hey, I’m just as fast as these guys."

Yeah, for sure. The first time I came to America, Budds Creek, there were a lot of boards making fun of me, "Where was Cairoli" and stuff like this. I never talk bad about America. I think America has the best overall riders. It’s also the biggest country, so if Barcia is injured or Stewart is injured, they can pick another one that is almost just as good. In Italy, with Phillipheart’s injury, we don’t have so much choice. I think it was good. A fifth overall for Italy, it’s okay. I think we could have finished third. Maybe next year, we’ll have more luck.

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TDeath21 wrote:
I assume it says that the GPs are better? On this track on this day, the AMA guys did okay. Roczen did good, Barcia did good...
I assume it says that the GPs are better? On this track on this day, the AMA guys did okay. Roczen did good, Barcia did good, Dungey and Baggett did okay, Musquin struggled. The thing I hate about the GP vs AMA argument at the Des Nations is that the AMA usually only has about 5 to 10 riders in it, because many of the AMA riders stay home because the US can only send three riders.
Dont assume ..read.
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10/2/2012 7:05am
Seems pretty accurate to me.
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10/2/2012 7:06am
I agree with that article 100%, It is the truth.
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10/2/2012 7:07am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2012 7:08am
TL;DR

Not even interested in what biased 'journalists' like Geoff have to say, even if it's pro GP in the GP vs AMA crap.
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10/2/2012 7:14am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2012 7:17am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
Give it up Mohammed. Please
mohammed wrote:
Dont you agree with the article? give up what?
I don't agree with the article. Times have not changed the Americans are still the fastest. Just not at every track. The fact they have won 7 years in a row and so many times before that tells us they are the faster and better riders. They lost one race, if Barcia would not lost his spokes and Dungey not sent for an off track excursion, things would have probably been a lot different. But it does not matter, instead they took third. When Germany can win the next 7 MXON, I will say times have change, but until then, losing one race does not mean things have changed, it just means you lost one race RC and Everets have lost one race during their carrer, does that mean they still weren't the fastest riders. Don't think so.

Who is this Geoff guy anyways? He must be Euro and he seems to have been beaten down in the past and finally got his chance to dog the Americans, it would work if Germany won 7mxons in a row, just because there are a few riders good at one track they have practiced and raced at does not mean times have changed.
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10/2/2012 7:16am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
Give it up Mohammed. Please
mohammed wrote:
Dont you agree with the article? give up what?
Give up on the GP vs AMA crap....
10/2/2012 7:41am
As a real motocross fan for over 30 years,
i watch the GP's on motors tv,
watch AMA supercross on motors tv,
watch AMA nationals on the net,
follow the Belgium ,Dutch, Australian and Canadian nationals.

in the States the racing is really intens, these riders fight for every spot during all the race,
if the European riders come to the U.S. they do not that bad,
talkin' bout the last few years, Pourcel,Rattray(SA.),Searle,Musquin,Roczen,Reed(AUS)
even for one race Desalle, De Dycker and De Reuver did ok.

there are not so many riders from the States that come and race in Europe anymore,
but in general they perform at the same level as they were doin' in the AMA series.
Osborne i hope has a very good next year, like his riding a lot, got a lot of injuries here but is very fast.
Leib did ok, that year with the Husky was very difficult i think, but this year we saw some flashes from his riding skills.
hope to see him again next year without injuries.
Brown raced here also a few years and was on the same pace as in the U.S. for my feelings.
the Alessi brother raced also a few pre-season race in Europe when they turned pro in the U.S. and performed both pretty good. (again on the same level as in the States)

the bottem line is : both U.S. and European have some amazing fast racers, on 1 race you can't possible say who is the fasted one. What i would love to see is that some races (say 6 or so) would overlaps, that is let 6 AMA nationals cound as GP's also, that way the best European riders race against the best AMA riders on different races, that would be a dream come through :-)
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10/2/2012 7:57am
I really hope you enjoy all of these posts over the next year Mohammed...because you probably wont get the chance again for another 8 years.Wink
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chapmanmx wrote:
I really hope you enjoy all of these posts over the next year Mohammed...because you probably wont get the chance again for another 8 years.Wink
He disappeared like a virgin on prom night last year.
10/2/2012 8:33am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2012 8:36am
Fair enough article by MXGeoff.

If it had been a mud race and we (USA) got beat that badly, it would be easy to rationalize that it was a crap shoot and anyone could have won. But instead, it was a gnarly, brutally rough, old school track that quickly separated the men from the boys. That's what hurts. The AMA crew can't claim to have the best riders in the world after that performance. Just my opinion but, I am thinking it will end up being the best thing to happen to the sport in a long time (for riders on both sides of the pond)...
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chapmanmx wrote:
I really hope you enjoy all of these posts over the next year Mohammed...because you probably wont get the chance again for another 8 years.Wink
TDeath21 wrote:
He disappeared like a virgin on prom night last year.
He has absolutely nothing to say about the AMA races. I doubt he even follows them. I quess he's "MXDN - only".
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10/2/2012 8:53am
I dont know why two totally different series allways have to measure dicks, it's not like anything will change? I love watching both series and i have guys i root for in both AMA-series aswell as the FIM-series. I just dont get it why there allways have to be an argument about nickles and dimes...

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mohammed wrote:
Dont you agree with the article? give up what?
No not at all! Team USA has had a lot of injuries in the last 10 years (Villopoto, Stewart, Carmichael) just to name a few. Carmichael missed 2 with injuries (04, 06). Carmichael and Stewart never raced the MXDN together. Stewart never raced a 125 at the MXDN. In the last 11 years Team USA missed the MXDN 3 times. It's not as black and white as the article makes it sound.
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10/2/2012 9:00am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2012 9:10am
That guy is so biased you could tell in his writing that it hurt him to write back handed compliments. Laughing

TL:DR
Geoff Meyer not a fan of AMA.
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10/2/2012 9:01am
How does one proclaim a "changing of the guard" based on one race, especially in those extreme conditions / circumstances? Changes come with trends over a period of time, not with a sudden bolt of lightning (unless of course said bolt of lightning strikes your house and burns it to the ground). Nobody proclaimed the US a world moto power after Gary Bailey had his taste of success against the Euros', but over time, after we started winning with regularity it became self-evident. So, call us back after Euroland establishes a definitive trend of say like the next 3 out of 5 and we'll call it a real "changing of the guard". Until then, congrats to Germany, Belgium, TC, JH, Paulin and anybody else I overlooked for a great performance.
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10/2/2012 9:09am
It took years to get their elbows up. Now they are better.
10/2/2012 9:16am
Moto wins (or races wins) of the last 8 editions of the MXoN (or MXdN) are coming from

Americans: 11 wins from a total of 24 riders represented
Euros: 10 wins from a total of more than 500 riders (& 3 wins two days ago at the sandy euro track of Lommel)
New Zealanders: 2 wins from a total of 24 riders
Australians: 1 win from a total of 24 riders

Motocross Of Nations wins
USA: 7 (from a total of 24 riders)
Euros: 1 (from a total of more than 500 riders) two days ago at the sandy euro track of Lommel

Notes:
- The best Motocross racer in the world Ryan Villopoto miss three of the last four editions of the MxoN, with him the US will have 3 or 4 more wins
- Zero Euro win in American soil (2007&2010)
10/2/2012 9:23am
BR_HERO wrote:
That guy is so biased you could tell in his writing that it hurt him to write back handed compliments. :laugh: TL:DR Geoff Meyer not a...
That guy is so biased you could tell in his writing that it hurt him to write back handed compliments. Laughing

TL:DR
Geoff Meyer not a fan of AMA.
Who MXGoebbels ?
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Moto wins (or races wins) of the last 8 editions of the MXoN (or MXdN) are coming from Americans: 11 wins from a total of 24...
Moto wins (or races wins) of the last 8 editions of the MXoN (or MXdN) are coming from

Americans: 11 wins from a total of 24 riders represented
Euros: 10 wins from a total of more than 500 riders (& 3 wins two days ago at the sandy euro track of Lommel)
New Zealanders: 2 wins from a total of 24 riders
Australians: 1 win from a total of 24 riders

Motocross Of Nations wins
USA: 7 (from a total of 24 riders)
Euros: 1 (from a total of more than 500 riders) two days ago at the sandy euro track of Lommel

Notes:
- The best Motocross racer in the world Ryan Villopoto miss three of the last four editions of the MxoN, with him the US will have 3 or 4 more wins
- Zero Euro win in American soil (2007&2010)
Great post !!
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10/2/2012 9:34am
FYI, Reed, Townley and Rattray are not from Europe. you guys try and claim the whole world into your race wins and try and claim Rattray, Reed and Townley as one of yours.

Europe is Europe... AUS and South Africa is quite a long ways from Europe so lets call a spade a spade here.
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I love motocross.
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Moto wins (or races wins) of the last 8 editions of the MXoN (or MXdN) are coming from Americans: 11 wins from a total of 24...
Moto wins (or races wins) of the last 8 editions of the MXoN (or MXdN) are coming from

Americans: 11 wins from a total of 24 riders represented
Euros: 10 wins from a total of more than 500 riders (& 3 wins two days ago at the sandy euro track of Lommel)
New Zealanders: 2 wins from a total of 24 riders
Australians: 1 win from a total of 24 riders

Motocross Of Nations wins
USA: 7 (from a total of 24 riders)
Euros: 1 (from a total of more than 500 riders) two days ago at the sandy euro track of Lommel

Notes:
- The best Motocross racer in the world Ryan Villopoto miss three of the last four editions of the MxoN, with him the US will have 3 or 4 more wins
- Zero Euro win in American soil (2007&2010)
BR_HERO wrote:
Great post !!
x 7
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10/2/2012 9:41am
Moto wins (or races wins) of the last 8 editions of the MXoN (or MXdN) are coming from Americans: 11 wins from a total of 24...
Moto wins (or races wins) of the last 8 editions of the MXoN (or MXdN) are coming from

Americans: 11 wins from a total of 24 riders represented
Euros: 10 wins from a total of more than 500 riders (& 3 wins two days ago at the sandy euro track of Lommel)
New Zealanders: 2 wins from a total of 24 riders
Australians: 1 win from a total of 24 riders

Motocross Of Nations wins
USA: 7 (from a total of 24 riders)
Euros: 1 (from a total of more than 500 riders) two days ago at the sandy euro track of Lommel

Notes:
- The best Motocross racer in the world Ryan Villopoto miss three of the last four editions of the MxoN, with him the US will have 3 or 4 more wins
- Zero Euro win in American soil (2007&2010)
BR_HERO wrote:
Great post !!
pilotdude wrote:
x 7
truth
10/2/2012 10:02am
j100 wrote:
FYI, Reed, Townley and Rattray are not from Europe. you guys try and claim the whole world into your race wins and try and claim Rattray...
FYI, Reed, Townley and Rattray are not from Europe. you guys try and claim the whole world into your race wins and try and claim Rattray, Reed and Townley as one of yours.

Europe is Europe... AUS and South Africa is quite a long ways from Europe so lets call a spade a spade here.
yes i know, but my point was that Reed,Townley,Rattray first raced in Europe an then came to the U.S. and did pretty well there for not being American riders.

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