MXA blasts Luongo...

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9/24/2012 6:12am
mxgeoff wrote:
I did the GP reports for Cycle News from 1993 until 2007 and the reason I took over from Alex Hodgkinson was because I was so...
I did the GP reports for Cycle News from 1993 until 2007 and the reason I took over from Alex Hodgkinson was because I was so positive about the sport here. My opinion hasn't change, but people like to mention how I work for YS for money. I work for YS because I am positive and they also like that. Who wouldn't.

I eventually lost my Cycle News work because I was too positive about YS in the period when they wanted to do the take over of the AMA Nationals.

Geoff
And the hits just keep coming!!!

I have to admit, I came into this off season unprepared...I blame my trainer
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9/24/2012 6:19am
mxgeoff wrote:
I did the GP reports for Cycle News from 1993 until 2007 and the reason I took over from Alex Hodgkinson was because I was so...
I did the GP reports for Cycle News from 1993 until 2007 and the reason I took over from Alex Hodgkinson was because I was so positive about the sport here. My opinion hasn't change, but people like to mention how I work for YS for money. I work for YS because I am positive and they also like that. Who wouldn't.

I eventually lost my Cycle News work because I was too positive about YS in the period when they wanted to do the take over of the AMA Nationals.

Geoff
yosmithy wrote:
And the hits just keep coming!!!

I have to admit, I came into this off season unprepared...I blame my trainer
Don't be down on yourself smithy.......no one could stand in the face of that complete and utter bullshit.
That's professional level BS, not the stepped on street BS we normally see.

You're lucky to be alive after mainlining this shit man.....
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9/24/2012 6:33am
was talking to a mate yesturday about this thread and he compared loungo to the spanish priminister doing a bad job and whilst everyone else can see it he just buries his head and blunders on regard less.
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9/24/2012 6:44am Edited Date/Time 9/24/2012 6:45am
mxgeoff wrote:
Rob found nothing. I am the most positive guy about the GPs, it's BS. Rob and I have talked on facebook and I am always positive...
Rob found nothing. I am the most positive guy about the GPs, it's BS. Rob and I have talked on facebook and I am always positive and he is always negative. I love Grand Prix Motocross and for anyone to assume I don't, it''s just madness.

In the 20 years I have lived here I don't think you will find one negative comment from me about GPs and now all of a sudden Rob has found something, Rob the guy who is 100% negative about GPs, despite the fact we have probably 50% of the Worlds best riders racing here.

Come on, this is just so laughable now.

Geoff
So, you categorically deny writing "Dorna fucked MX and YS pretty much continued that trend"? Because that's a rather negative comment right there.

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9/24/2012 7:02am
mxgeoff wrote:
Rob found nothing. I am the most positive guy about the GPs, it's BS. Rob and I have talked on facebook and I am always positive...
Rob found nothing. I am the most positive guy about the GPs, it's BS. Rob and I have talked on facebook and I am always positive and he is always negative. I love Grand Prix Motocross and for anyone to assume I don't, it''s just madness.

In the 20 years I have lived here I don't think you will find one negative comment from me about GPs and now all of a sudden Rob has found something, Rob the guy who is 100% negative about GPs, despite the fact we have probably 50% of the Worlds best riders racing here.

Come on, this is just so laughable now.

Geoff
AK74 wrote:
So, you categorically deny writing "Dorna fucked MX and YS pretty much continued that trend"? Because that's a rather negative comment right there.
No comment, can I see my lawyer..............I never said this comment. Anyone who knows me knows that I would never say that.
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9/24/2012 7:07am
I apparently made these comments three days before the Grand Prix of Great Britain. Now go and read my report and interviews from that event. If I was so negative it would be hard for me to be so enthusiastic about the British GP.

http://www.mxlarge.com/news/6889-grand-prix-of-great-britain-top-10-thi…
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mxgeoff wrote:
I apparently made these comments three days before the Grand Prix of Great Britain. Now go and read my report and interviews from that event. If...
I apparently made these comments three days before the Grand Prix of Great Britain. Now go and read my report and interviews from that event. If I was so negative it would be hard for me to be so enthusiastic about the British GP.

http://www.mxlarge.com/news/6889-grand-prix-of-great-britain-top-10-thi…
I am out of here now, forums always bring out the worst in people and this is a clear indication of that. Have fun people.
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9/24/2012 7:10am
Wonder if MXA will have an article on how fantastic the British GP was...
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9/24/2012 7:13am
Still waiting to hear from Rock what facts I spun and how exactly have I diverted attention, and from what.
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9/24/2012 7:14am
mccread wrote:
Wonder if MXA will have an article on how fantastic the British GP was...
I wouldn't hold your breath.
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mccread wrote:
Wonder if MXA will have an article on how fantastic the British GP was...
I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Since we have a lot of people in the know here, I have a question. How much is a rider entry fee in AMA Pro National? I`m talking single event.
Thank you in advance.
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9/24/2012 7:23am
mxgeoff wrote:
I am out of here now, forums always bring out the worst in people and this is a clear indication of that. Have fun people.
I just wanted to chat about GPs!
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9/24/2012 7:35am
kongols wrote:
Since we have a lot of people in the know here, I have a question. How much is a rider entry fee in AMA Pro National...
Since we have a lot of people in the know here, I have a question. How much is a rider entry fee in AMA Pro National? I`m talking single event.
Thank you in advance.
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9/24/2012 7:38am
kongols wrote:
Since we have a lot of people in the know here, I have a question. How much is a rider entry fee in AMA Pro National...
Since we have a lot of people in the know here, I have a question. How much is a rider entry fee in AMA Pro National? I`m talking single event.
Thank you in advance.
Can you use international license instead of AMA ?
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9/24/2012 7:55am Edited Date/Time 9/24/2012 8:04am
kongols wrote:
Since we have a lot of people in the know here, I have a question. How much is a rider entry fee in AMA Pro National...
Since we have a lot of people in the know here, I have a question. How much is a rider entry fee in AMA Pro National? I`m talking single event.
Thank you in advance.
kongols wrote:
Can you use international license instead of AMA ?
Kongols, first, the confusion over this is one of the bases for my beef with Rock, because he apparently didn't like the fact that I tried to keep things straight here

The AMA,as in the organization in Ohio that is the US affiliate of the FIM, has nothing to do with the US Pro Outdoor Motocross series, and hasn't since 2008 when it sold the sanctioning and promotional rights to Daytona Motorsports group. DMG acquired the rights to sanction and promote professional motocross, professional road racing and professional class c flatrack racing. MXSports acquired the rights to MX from DMG, through 2014 according to reports at the the time. I have no idea what the current status of that arrangement is.

So for racing in America, here's what you need:


The AMA Pro license to race the US pro outdoor series, is issued by AMA Pro Racing, which is DMG, not the AMA.
http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-MX-2012-Rulebook.pdf



To ride Supercross, a rider needs both an AMA Supercross license and an FIM license.
http://www.amasupercross.com/rules/pdf/2012/amaracing_bulletin%20sx%202…

http://www.amasupercross.com/rules/index.aspx

One of the great things about the internet, besides this thread Whistling , is that the rule books are on line.

http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-MX-2012-Rulebook.pdf

1.3 Motocross License Criteria

a. All license applicants must be at least 16 years of age at the time of application.

b. A Motocross license may be issued if the rider has met one of the following requirements.

i. Held a Pro Motocross license in either 2010 or 2011 or a Supercross or FIM license in 2010, 2011 or 2012.

ii. Earned at least 75 advancement points (at the time of application) in the AMA Pro/Am Motocross Series.

iii. Finished in the top 20 overall positions in the AMA Amateur National Motocross Championship in 2011 or 2012 in the 250A, 450A or Pro Sport classes.

iv. Earned 50 Arenacross class points in the 2010-11 or 35 points in the 2011-12 AMA Arenacross Series.

v. Earned 75 Arenacross Lites class points in 2010-11 or 60 points in the 2011-12 AMA Arenacross Series.
vi. AMA Pro Racing may issue a license to any rider who does not meet the above criteria if it determines, in its sole discretion, the rider has adequate competition experience.

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9/24/2012 8:28am
OK. Thanks FTE. Next question. How much is Pro license and can you buy it for just one event or do you have to buy annual license even if you want to ride just one National?
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mxgeoff wrote:
Rob, you been into my facebook again mate. How do you make this shit up mate. You are incredible. You went and made up a facebook...
Rob, you been into my facebook again mate. How do you make this shit up mate. You are incredible. You went and made up a facebook page with my name on it, and did this. You are sick mate. I have a photo on my facebook, and I don''t see a photo here. You are so dumb mate it''s incredible.
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No photo because one of you blocked the other one.

Oh, boy, Geoff!
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"By trying to discredit YS and the series, you are actually discrediting the riders. This is not right." Where have I heard this lame line before...
"By trying to discredit YS and the series, you are actually discrediting the riders. This is not right."

Where have I heard this lame line before.... Oh yes that silly war we were fighting in the sand.

Come to think of it, you may be on to something because Rob did find a hidden A bomb.

Good stuff!
mxgeoff wrote:
Rob found nothing. I am the most positive guy about the GPs, it's BS. Rob and I have talked on facebook and I am always positive...
Rob found nothing. I am the most positive guy about the GPs, it's BS. Rob and I have talked on facebook and I am always positive and he is always negative. I love Grand Prix Motocross and for anyone to assume I don't, it''s just madness.

In the 20 years I have lived here I don't think you will find one negative comment from me about GPs and now all of a sudden Rob has found something, Rob the guy who is 100% negative about GPs, despite the fact we have probably 50% of the Worlds best riders racing here.

Come on, this is just so laughable now.

Geoff
Not one PUBLIC negative comment...
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9/24/2012 8:42am
mxgeoff wrote:
I did the GP reports for Cycle News from 1993 until 2007 and the reason I took over from Alex Hodgkinson was because I was so...
I did the GP reports for Cycle News from 1993 until 2007 and the reason I took over from Alex Hodgkinson was because I was so positive about the sport here. My opinion hasn't change, but people like to mention how I work for YS for money. I work for YS because I am positive and they also like that. Who wouldn't.

I eventually lost my Cycle News work because I was too positive about YS in the period when they wanted to do the take over of the AMA Nationals.

Geoff
If you remember, Geoff, I'm the guy who used to edit your reports for Cycle News from 2001 to 2004. You didn't lose that gig because you were too positive.
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9/24/2012 8:43am Edited Date/Time 9/24/2012 9:21am
kongols wrote:
OK. Thanks FTE. Next question. How much is Pro license and can you buy it for just one event or do you have to buy annual...
OK. Thanks FTE. Next question. How much is Pro license and can you buy it for just one event or do you have to buy annual license even if you want to ride just one National?
It's all on the website.

Last year, $275

http://www.mxsportsproracing.com/pdf/2012/2012ProRacingLicenseApp.pdf

Swear to Rudy I just have a fetish for reading primary sources and having them bookmarked.
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For you guys defending Llongo/Youth Stream/FIM how do you explain the cash pouring in from major sponsors & race fees but elimination of the riders/teams purse, start money, travel money, and charging them high fees to race?

I applaud Jody and MXA for another outstanding article that brings out the truth.
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9/24/2012 8:48am
Jeez, never seen so many "big egos" all in one thread.

Counted at least 10 posters that need to get over themselves..............funny as hell.
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kongols wrote:
OK. Thanks FTE. Next question. How much is Pro license and can you buy it for just one event or do you have to buy annual...
OK. Thanks FTE. Next question. How much is Pro license and can you buy it for just one event or do you have to buy annual license even if you want to ride just one National?
It's all on the website.

Last year, $275

http://www.mxsportsproracing.com/pdf/2012/2012ProRacingLicenseApp.pdf

Swear to Rudy I just have a fetish for reading primary sources and having them bookmarked.
Thanks FTE.
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9/24/2012 8:51am
OW38B wrote:
Jeez, never seen so many "big egos" all in one thread.

Counted at least 10 posters that need to get over themselves..............funny as hell.
Yeah I'm struggling to find a protagonist in this thread . . .
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9/24/2012 8:56am
OW38B wrote:
Jeez, never seen so many "big egos" all in one thread.

Counted at least 10 posters that need to get over themselves..............funny as hell.
GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah I'm struggling to find a protagonist in this thread . . .
Went from a thread to a Gordian Knot .......................
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9/24/2012 9:04am
OW38B wrote:
Jeez, never seen so many "big egos" all in one thread.

Counted at least 10 posters that need to get over themselves..............funny as hell.
GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah I'm struggling to find a protagonist in this thread . . .
OW38B wrote:
Went from a thread to a Gordian Knot .......................
Who needs a protagonist in a thread like this?! Smile
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9/24/2012 9:06am Edited Date/Time 9/24/2012 9:22am
Paul333 wrote:
For you guys defending Llongo/Youth Stream/FIM how do you explain the cash pouring in from major sponsors & race fees but elimination of the riders/teams purse...
For you guys defending Llongo/Youth Stream/FIM how do you explain the cash pouring in from major sponsors & race fees but elimination of the riders/teams purse, start money, travel money, and charging them high fees to race?

I applaud Jody and MXA for another outstanding article that brings out the truth.
How do you know it's the truth? Luongo has brought live tv, fantastic infrastructure, live mx on the web, improving the European championship , having them on the same day as the GPs, so the teams can see the young kids... that all costs money.

Maybe MXA could do an interview with Luongo to balance the article. The standard of GP racing is really good, don't let that article fool you.

The top 5 privateer teams are getting travel money next year to the fly away races. Cairoli and those guys don't need start money or prize money, they are getting salaries.

Loungo wants MX1 to be the best of the best, and looking at the top 20 in the series, those guys are all top riders. There are more good riders than top teams in the GPs. The talent is there, and if you don't have the talent you won't be there long.

The riders outside the main guys would like more money... but that is the same in the USA, and they are racing Supercross as well. If you are going to watch a GP race because the guy in 21st is paying for a ride then you are a bit crazy. I don't know anyone who goes to a race to watch the guy in 21st. When I went to the US I went to see the top guys like Reed and Dungey, I don't know who got 25t/30th or if they made enough money to make a living from racing.

Again it is not perfect, having a prize fund maybe from the sponsers would be a good idea, i think that should be there, but the prize money in the US isn't what Dungey is racing for. So essentially this is all about the riders who aren't on top teams or in the top 10/15 in the series.

Overall the GPs are better than they were ten years ago. People were complaining about the 3 race format 20 years ago. And back then you only got to see one class at a GP. People will always complain, but it is different now, you can't go back to how it was 30 years ago. It's not perfect, but the guys not racing aren't the ones that are going to be challenging Cairoli for a world title, saying that it would be better if they could race it. But really the very top riders are all there, there top 20 in MX1 is stacked, most of them are former GP winner or podium guys.

But the important thing that keeps getting missed is there are alot of great riders in the series and they are putting on a great show and that is the whole point of the championship.

If it isn't working someone else can take charge and do it better. But it isn't as easy as it people make it out to be.

Like I say it isn't perfect you can focus on the small problems and ignore all the good llike MXA, which leads to a false perception of the series, or you can look at all the good and acknowledge it isn't perfect either and get a more realistic perception of the series. Maybe in time as the series gets bigger prize money will come back, or the riders salaries will increase.

It is tough for all motorsport right now Loungo has a vision, time will tell if it works, but the GPs have been great to watch in the last ten years for me anyway. I hope all the riders and especially the guys outside the top teams can make more money, they deserve it, but motocross is a small sport, that is the main problem we all have. If the mainstream media gave the exposure the riders salaries would go up because it is all about eyeballs.
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Went from a thread to a Gordian Knot .......................
You sure it wasn't a Freudian 'NOT' ?! Wink

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