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motomike137 9/14/2012 3:19pm
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I don't care if Herlings laps the f-ing field and has time to stop and have a beer while doing it. All I want is for...
I don't care if Herlings laps the f-ing field and has time to stop and have a beer while doing it. All I want is for our boys to bring home the trophy.
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No you don't. You really want all your team to win all their races ! Be honest !
nope... don't care... want to win the overall and put another one in the history booksCool
henry zweers 9/14/2012 4:26pm
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When it's over, we can add the best 3 scores from "Europe" and see how they did versus the US...and you may very well be correct..."If"...
When it's over, we can add the best 3 scores from "Europe" and see how they did versus the US...and you may very well be correct..."If" there was a Team Europe, that is.
Dont do that, just looked to the last 3 years results, think i did something wrong, but cant get the euro's behind, am i doing something wrong???
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[img]https://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/world-accordign-to-USA.jpg[/img]
LOL , someone should make that a T-shirt and wear it at the MXoN .
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I have a feeling Barcia will rip it up at Lommel . I think he is better on a 450 . One of the best starters in the world and a great sand rider .

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mccread 9/15/2012 2:36am
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TeamGreen wrote:
When it's over, we can add the best 3 scores from "Europe" and see how they did versus the US...and you may very well be correct..."If"...
When it's over, we can add the best 3 scores from "Europe" and see how they did versus the US...and you may very well be correct..."If" there was a Team Europe, that is.
henry zweers wrote:
Dont do that, just looked to the last 3 years results, think i did something wrong, but cant get the euro's behind, am i doing something...
Dont do that, just looked to the last 3 years results, think i did something wrong, but cant get the euro's behind, am i doing something wrong???
"Europe" beat the American's lst year, if you take the top finishing European rider in each class last year Paulin, Roczen and Searle, against the top American riders. Europe won easy with only 15 points to 26 for USA.

In 2010 Europe won again, The combination of Roczen, Desalle and Cairoli had 16 points to America's 23.

In 2009 Phillipearts, Musquin, Barragan had 19 points, USA had 22

In 2008 Europe had 17 points with Searle, Ramon and Seb Pourcel, US had 26
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pilotdude 9/15/2012 4:44am
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TeamGreen wrote:
When it's over, we can add the best 3 scores from "Europe" and see how they did versus the US...and you may very well be correct..."If"...
When it's over, we can add the best 3 scores from "Europe" and see how they did versus the US...and you may very well be correct..."If" there was a Team Europe, that is.
henry zweers wrote:
Dont do that, just looked to the last 3 years results, think i did something wrong, but cant get the euro's behind, am i doing something...
Dont do that, just looked to the last 3 years results, think i did something wrong, but cant get the euro's behind, am i doing something wrong???
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"Europe" beat the American's lst year, if you take the top finishing European rider in each class last year Paulin, Roczen and Searle, against the top...
"Europe" beat the American's lst year, if you take the top finishing European rider in each class last year Paulin, Roczen and Searle, against the top American riders. Europe won easy with only 15 points to 26 for USA.

In 2010 Europe won again, The combination of Roczen, Desalle and Cairoli had 16 points to America's 23.

In 2009 Phillipearts, Musquin, Barragan had 19 points, USA had 22

In 2008 Europe had 17 points with Searle, Ramon and Seb Pourcel, US had 26
What a blatantly dishonest comparison. Perhaps unfair is a better word.

In all 4 years that you list:

2011 Paulin-France, Roczen-Germany, Searle-Great Britain, for a total of 9 riders to choose from. Team USA-3 riders

2010 Roczen-Germany, Desalle-Belgium, Cairoli-Italy, 3 countries and 9 riders. Team USA-3 riders.

2009 Phillipearts-Italy, Musquin-France, Barragan-Spain, 3 countries and 9 riders. Team USA-3 riders.

2008 Searle-Great Britain, Ramon-Belgium, Pourcel-France, 3 countries and 9 riders. Team USA-3 riders.

Comparing team "Europe" to Team USA like that is ridiculous and frankly stupid. Take the top 6 U.S. 450 riders and the top 3 250 riders, make 3 U.S. teams out of that, put them in the MXdN, and then you've got a valid comparison.

The one you make above is invalid.
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jamma10 9/15/2012 5:14am
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According to 'your lot' America consistently beats Europe as a whole at the MXdN. As demonstrated by Team Green above.

This is one of the facts Europeans are always trying to point out.
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pilotdude 9/15/2012 5:29am
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Team USA regularly beats all the European teams, as well as teams from anywhere else, this is true. But as a Team USA vs Team Europe race, with an equal number of riders, no such race exists, and both sides of that argument are arguing over a phantom race.
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MXR 9/15/2012 5:52am
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I miss the Trans-AM series . Races held in the fall with all the worlds best on one track at the same time . A modern day Trans -AMA_GP series in the fall could be four races , two on US soil and two on GP tracks .
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Park Boys 9/15/2012 5:58am
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Team USA should win, based on population no other "first world" country can match us. We have the biggest talent pool and we should win every year.
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chrisbuehler 9/15/2012 6:18am
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All the talk and bullsh*tting that's going on here, as entertaining as it is, is getting a bit old. Everyone seems to be saying Team USA...
All the talk and bullsh*tting that's going on here, as entertaining as it is, is getting a bit old.

Everyone seems to be saying Team USA need to watch out for Herlings, 'cause he will be smoking their asses (a view I agree with). But surely not only they need to worry, I'm sure it'll be a kick in the teeth to his stablemate and newly crowned 6 times World Champion Cairoli if a 17/18 year old Herlings beats him too?

Cairoli has reinvented himself from a time in '04/'05 from a hardpack rider into a sand master, he says himself that's his strongest point and what he most enjoys. So surely he must be dirtying himself at the thought of getting smoked? (I also think the rest of the FIM contingent will get smoked, and won't expect anything else).

My prediction is Herlings will be quite a bit out front (both his motos), with Cairoli by himself, then Dungey/Barcia not far behind him. I think Barcia might actually be able to beat Dungey, especially on a track like this which could be interesting.
Afte you said Barcia might beat Dungey, I realized you didn't know shit
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thekendogg 9/15/2012 8:33am
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All the talk and bullsh*tting that's going on here, as entertaining as it is, is getting a bit old. Everyone seems to be saying Team USA...
All the talk and bullsh*tting that's going on here, as entertaining as it is, is getting a bit old.

Everyone seems to be saying Team USA need to watch out for Herlings, 'cause he will be smoking their asses (a view I agree with). But surely not only they need to worry, I'm sure it'll be a kick in the teeth to his stablemate and newly crowned 6 times World Champion Cairoli if a 17/18 year old Herlings beats him too?

Cairoli has reinvented himself from a time in '04/'05 from a hardpack rider into a sand master, he says himself that's his strongest point and what he most enjoys. So surely he must be dirtying himself at the thought of getting smoked? (I also think the rest of the FIM contingent will get smoked, and won't expect anything else).

My prediction is Herlings will be quite a bit out front (both his motos), with Cairoli by himself, then Dungey/Barcia not far behind him. I think Barcia might actually be able to beat Dungey, especially on a track like this which could be interesting.
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Afte you said Barcia might beat Dungey, I realized you didn't know shit
O yes, because I forgot how Barcia in his first EVER few 450 races last year in the Nationals ran up front and challenged Dungey for a couple of races, and should've had an overall. With a now more mature and consistent Barcia, with a regional SX championship and a 2nd in the 250 Outdoors, on a sand track which is his speciality, I wouldn't be surprised if he did beat Dungey. Especially with his starts. But you already know that, ofcourse...

I clearly know shit all and should bow down and worship your clearly superior mx knowledge. Out of interest, how many Nationals/Supercrosses/GPs/MXdN have you actually been too?

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I think this bears out a couple things: (1) yup, we pull riders from a big area are a huge market the OEM puts a premium on; (2) these guys huck some miles as well over the 29 rounds of SX and MX between January and September.

TripleFive 9/15/2012 10:04am
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I'm really excited to see how the Great European Hope holds up to the pressure.
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chrisbuehler 9/15/2012 10:20am
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O yes, because I forgot how Barcia in his first EVER few 450 races last year in the Nationals ran up front and challenged Dungey for...
O yes, because I forgot how Barcia in his first EVER few 450 races last year in the Nationals ran up front and challenged Dungey for a couple of races, and should've had an overall. With a now more mature and consistent Barcia, with a regional SX championship and a 2nd in the 250 Outdoors, on a sand track which is his speciality, I wouldn't be surprised if he did beat Dungey. Especially with his starts. But you already know that, ofcourse...

I clearly know shit all and should bow down and worship your clearly superior mx knowledge. Out of interest, how many Nationals/Supercrosses/GPs/MXdN have you actually been too?

NOOB
No he didnt challenge Dungey. He ran in front of him at Unadilla because of better starts and we know Dungey doesnt push his way by. Soutwick, his specialty according to you, he got yarded 1st moto by RD like the rest of the field. We all know what happened 2nd moto, Ryan started almost a lap down to finsh 6th. Steel City the Ryans put 45sec on him 1st moto and I dont remember the gap 2nd moto. Dungey won Pala, what did Barcia finsh? Barcia has the potential to be there in SX but there always been someone faster outdoors. Just add Dungey to that list. Barcia looked a 100% better outdoors than previous years and runs up front because he's an awesome starter. He had NOTHING for Tomac or BB when they were on but now he's gonna be the top outdoor rider on the planet? Go back to watching GP's son
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rohleder644 9/16/2012 12:14pm
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So, AMA vs GP's.......GP's won the last handfull of years? No shit.....I hadn't seen that math before.

As to the "america should win" argument.....I don't get the logic. What factors make up america's advantage over other countries??
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bd 9/16/2012 12:32pm
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With all this Euro shit talking..... I hope Barcia parks his ass. Better get the holeshot.

I find it comical..... fucking comical the Euros are discounting RD5.

Pack a lunch Herlings. RD5, Barca, and the Sicilian are no joke.
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But he is only giving what TeamGreen suggested,of course its not a true reflection of what a Trans-AM series would give us,that's what we REALLY want,hopefully it'll happen one day

What might be interesting is comparing the AMA 450 Champ and 250 Champ and runner up to the respective GP Champ,250 Champ and runner up?

Dungey. Baggett. Barcia
Cairoli. Herlings. Van Horbeek

Just a thought,let's see how that goes

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Skip376 9/16/2012 1:59pm
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I love how in most of the scenarios they need riders that race the AMA outdoors for them to win the Europe Vs America argument.
henry zweers 9/16/2012 2:19pm
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Skip376 wrote:
I love how in most of the scenarios they need riders that race the AMA outdoors for them to win the Europe Vs America argument.
Dont know about pourcel but the rest wassnt riding in the us the year thay are used in this mxdn count
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TeamGreen 9/16/2012 2:38pm
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henry zweers wrote:
Dont do that, just looked to the last 3 years results, think i did something wrong, but cant get the euro's behind, am i doing something...
Dont do that, just looked to the last 3 years results, think i did something wrong, but cant get the euro's behind, am i doing something wrong???
mccread wrote:
"Europe" beat the American's lst year, if you take the top finishing European rider in each class last year Paulin, Roczen and Searle, against the top...
"Europe" beat the American's lst year, if you take the top finishing European rider in each class last year Paulin, Roczen and Searle, against the top American riders. Europe won easy with only 15 points to 26 for USA.

In 2010 Europe won again, The combination of Roczen, Desalle and Cairoli had 16 points to America's 23.

In 2009 Phillipearts, Musquin, Barragan had 19 points, USA had 22

In 2008 Europe had 17 points with Searle, Ramon and Seb Pourcel, US had 26
pilotdude wrote:
What a blatantly dishonest comparison. Perhaps unfair is a better word. In all 4 years that you list: 2011 Paulin-France, Roczen-Germany, Searle-Great Britain, for a total...
What a blatantly dishonest comparison. Perhaps unfair is a better word.

In all 4 years that you list:

2011 Paulin-France, Roczen-Germany, Searle-Great Britain, for a total of 9 riders to choose from. Team USA-3 riders

2010 Roczen-Germany, Desalle-Belgium, Cairoli-Italy, 3 countries and 9 riders. Team USA-3 riders.

2009 Phillipearts-Italy, Musquin-France, Barragan-Spain, 3 countries and 9 riders. Team USA-3 riders.

2008 Searle-Great Britain, Ramon-Belgium, Pourcel-France, 3 countries and 9 riders. Team USA-3 riders.

Comparing team "Europe" to Team USA like that is ridiculous and frankly stupid. Take the top 6 U.S. 450 riders and the top 3 250 riders, make 3 U.S. teams out of that, put them in the MXdN, and then you've got a valid comparison.

The one you make above is invalid.
To be clear...

This is a simple analogy based on "if" we tally up the "Best of Europe"; therefor, it is "fair".

On the other-hand...and to the dismay of many Euros: we ARE just one nation.

Here's another "What-If"...

Best in Class: "What if" it turns out that, this year, we ARE the best in class...especially in MX3...

What say you, Europe?
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Freddy 9/16/2012 2:46pm
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I think this bears out a couple things: (1) yup, we pull riders from a big area are a huge market the OEM puts a premium...
I think this bears out a couple things: (1) yup, we pull riders from a big area are a huge market the OEM puts a premium on; (2) these guys huck some miles as well over the 29 rounds of SX and MX between January and September.

Wow never realized how far it is between all the sx/mx races you've got. This makes the world mxgp look even less like the "world championship" lol. Anyways, cant wait for mxon! Wanna see an all out ktm champ brawl between Herlings Cairoli and Dungey!
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PressPassP 9/16/2012 3:39pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
I think this bears out a couple things: (1) yup, we pull riders from a big area are a huge market the OEM puts a premium...
I think this bears out a couple things: (1) yup, we pull riders from a big area are a huge market the OEM puts a premium on; (2) these guys huck some miles as well over the 29 rounds of SX and MX between January and September.

They do an awful lot of racing when you add the SX and MX together,29 is pretty grueling,I was talking to someone the other day regarding the MAXXIS British Championship and was suprised at the schedule of some of the guys that do the GP and a National series etc as you're probably aware,and they cover some ground too,I was interested how the season scedule for Strijbos went:

Italy,Starcross 18/19 Feb

England,Hawkstone 26 Feb

Holland,Dutch Championship 5 Rounds

MAXXIS British Championship 8 Rounds

FIM World Championship 16 Rounds

31 Races,I might have missed some,pretty tough,including the Mexico and Brazil jaunts,whichever side of the pond,these guys sure go some distance
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thekendogg 10/1/2012 7:50am
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chrisbuehler wrote:
Afte you said Barcia might beat Dungey, I realized you didn't know shit
Well, I bet you feel a little bit silly now Laughing Woohoo
10/1/2012 8:05am
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But he is only giving what TeamGreen suggested,of course its not a true reflection of what a Trans-AM series would give us,that's what we REALLY want,hopefully...
But he is only giving what TeamGreen suggested,of course its not a true reflection of what a Trans-AM series would give us,that's what we REALLY want,hopefully it'll happen one day

What might be interesting is comparing the AMA 450 Champ and 250 Champ and runner up to the respective GP Champ,250 Champ and runner up?

Dungey. Baggett. Barcia
Cairoli. Herlings. Van Horbeek

Just a thought,let's see how that goes
Interesting......cancel out one of the 14th place for the USA and one 38th for Team GP....still very interesting ,,
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bossboss 10/1/2012 10:01am
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I'm going to be extremely disappointed if Herlings doesn't lap the entire field both motos, walk on water, and turn water into wine by the remarks...
I'm going to be extremely disappointed if Herlings doesn't lap the entire field both motos, walk on water, and turn water into wine by the remarks made by some of you guys on the other side of the pond.
He was not far off achieving this, only Caroli stopped it from happening, and a first turn fall.
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chrisbuehler wrote:
Afte you said Barcia might beat Dungey, I realized you didn't know shit
thekendogg wrote:
Well, I bet you feel a little bit silly now Laughing Woohoo
Ouch! Under the belt. Laughing Laughing Laughing
henry zweers 10/1/2012 10:37am
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They do an awful lot of racing when you add the SX and MX together,29 is pretty grueling,I was talking to someone the other day regarding...
They do an awful lot of racing when you add the SX and MX together,29 is pretty grueling,I was talking to someone the other day regarding the MAXXIS British Championship and was suprised at the schedule of some of the guys that do the GP and a National series etc as you're probably aware,and they cover some ground too,I was interested how the season scedule for Strijbos went:

Italy,Starcross 18/19 Feb

England,Hawkstone 26 Feb

Holland,Dutch Championship 5 Rounds

MAXXIS British Championship 8 Rounds

FIM World Championship 16 Rounds

31 Races,I might have missed some,pretty tough,including the Mexico and Brazil jaunts,whichever side of the pond,these guys sure go some distance
Cant whe count the GP 16 rounds double??? 2 day events
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Big 10/1/2012 10:37am
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I can't wait for the Europeans to stop posting doomsday MXON predictions for the US on here. Let's just let the riders do the talking on...
I can't wait for the Europeans to stop posting doomsday MXON predictions for the US on here. Let's just let the riders do the talking on race day.
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huh? Everyone expects the USA to win. I have said they will win several times.
Kaboom!Wink

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