Dungey on riding a two-stroke for Elsinore

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Shawn142 9/12/2012 7:28am
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Trauma wrote:
I thought the whole point was for fun... after the title is done.
jamma10 wrote:
Kinda ironic considering that all Dungeys interviews include the remark "you know, we're just trying to have fun out there"
Everyone has to tout the company line but dealing with money is never about fun. He has a small window to make as much cash as he can. Win bonuses are big money, and handing one over in the name of "fun" is not something most people would take lightly.
NateDawg122 9/12/2012 7:35am
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Trauma wrote:
I thought the whole point was for fun... after the title is done.
jamma10 wrote:
Kinda ironic considering that all Dungeys interviews include the remark "you know, we're just trying to have fun out there"
Shawn142 wrote:
Everyone has to tout the company line but dealing with money is never about fun. He has a small window to make as much cash as...
Everyone has to tout the company line but dealing with money is never about fun. He has a small window to make as much cash as he can. Win bonuses are big money, and handing one over in the name of "fun" is not something most people would take lightly.
Winning is fun.
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gharmon 9/12/2012 9:26am
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I personally admire how he says "Im not into getting top 5" And I personally don't want to see hiim get hurt and miss the MXDN. I'm sorry but I'm glad he didn't ride the 2 stroke. Also, what's the pay difference between 1st and 5th you think. I believe he could easily beat anyone besides maybe Mike on the 250 stroke anyway and he might could even win but I would imagine a bad start would hurt that.

If he want's to race the 2 stroke at MEC for fun they by all means go for it.
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GuyB 9/12/2012 11:17am
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It's not a bash on either the GP's or two strokes. I think you're reading too much in to his comment about it being "pretty competitive...
It's not a bash on either the GP's or two strokes. I think you're reading too much in to his comment about it being "pretty competitive over here." He didn't say "it's more competitive over here than it is in the GP's" he just said "it's pretty competitive over here" meaning just that, it's pretty competitive over here and that riding a 250cc two stroke vs. everyone else on 450's would put him at a disadvantage because there are good guys he's racing against and he wants to beat those guys. That statement of "it's pretty competitive over here" is a complement to his competitors here that he's racinig against in the 450 class, he's not bashing the riders in the GP's.
Yeah, I didn't take it as a knock on the GPs at all.

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KLM85 9/12/2012 11:58pm
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I really doubt any of the 250 2 strokes Ktm has laying around have the $100,000 + in work and parts the factory 450s do. Not only would it be a 250 vs 450 but its a $7k 250 vs a $100k+ 450.
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Dno 9/13/2012 12:32am
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Yeah, well im not interested in finishing in the first five, infact I don't even race anymore due to costs. I ride for the fun of it.
So Ill take the cheaper to buy and easier to maintain two stroke fun machine thank you.
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motogrady 9/13/2012 4:04am
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DirtRoadmx47 wrote:
Whats a two stroke ?
In this case, a victim if a few premadonna's from Japan, with a political agenda..
DirtyFilter75 9/13/2012 5:34am
9/13/2012 5:34am
GuyB wrote:
Yeah, I didn't take it as a knock on the GPs at all.
Well played! Great question. Cool
Hangin & Bangin 9/13/2012 6:04am
9/13/2012 6:04am
DirtRoadmx47 wrote:
Whats a two stroke ?
The bike that revolutionized and stood at the top of motocross for the first 40 years of the sport's existence.

Been riding long?
NateDawg122 9/13/2012 7:08am
9/13/2012 7:08am
DirtRoadmx47 wrote:
Whats a two stroke ?
Hangin & Bangin wrote:
The bike that revolutionized and stood at the top of motocross for the first 40 years of the sport's existence.

Been riding long?
I think your sarcasm meter is broken...
MattyVicious 9/13/2012 7:30am
9/13/2012 7:30am
Stewart could do it. So saying that a two smoker would not be competitive isn't quite right.
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FourFooptyF 9/13/2012 12:54pm
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The only reason that 2 strokes aren't beating 4 strokes on TV is that all of the top riders are bought and paid for by the time they stop believing in Santa.

All of the paychecks say "You must ride a Fooper" in the fine print.

The last year that all the paychecks didn't say "You must ride a Fooper" was 2005. And that year there were races where every single Fooper got lapped... Foopers with top riders like Kevin Windham on them... lapped...

2 Strokes are MORE than just competitive at 1/2 the size... they are such a threat, in fact, that Ryan's paycheck writer can't even homo the 250 2T through the Gay-M-A. The new two strokes aren't homo'd. KTM doesn't have to worry about Homo'ing the 4 Stonks because they are probably automatic Homos as far as the Gay-M-A is concerned...

Oh... and that race called Erzberg is pretty competitive too... There weren't even any 4 strokes that FINISHED the race this year. And it's not just the "Tight woods sections" or the "Rock Garden" either.... The two strokes could be seen everywhere beating the shit out of the Foopers up the big hills too....
Hangin & Bangin 9/13/2012 2:08pm
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Even in 2006, a 35+ yr old McGrath, holeshot an SX, took out James Stewart and did a nac-nac all in the same lap, on a bike that had not seen a single change since 2003.


The problem isn't the bike. It's the riders. There simply is no one left in the peak of their career who can ride a 60+HP 200lb two-stroke. Maybe Reed and Stewart, there are a couple older guys scattered in there but that's about it. Everyone else has been on a dumper since they were 13.
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40Plus_922mx 9/13/2012 3:05pm
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1). Apearantly no one remembers the few years some of our top guys tried to remain on the smokers (DV, MC, Etc) while everyone else adapted to the thumps and they all came to the same conclusion. THE THUMPS ARE BETTER. So unless the manufact's can set up a smoker with similar torque and power delivery as a mondern thump this point is mute.

2). Our guys are faster than the euros. Plain and simple, all the edidence is there, open shut case, done deal.
[wincing]
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bayodome 9/13/2012 4:46pm
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bayodome wrote:
Last year when Roczen hopped on a 125 at the last GP in Italy, he scored a 5th place finish is the first moto. 28th in...
Last year when Roczen hopped on a 125 at the last GP in Italy, he scored a 5th place finish is the first moto. 28th in the second. I'd say the GPs are just as competitive.
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I agree with you...Dungey, on the other hand, apparently doesn't.

Just sayin...

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NateDawg122 wrote:
You must be talking about the same Ken Roczen that won the Lites class in Europe and then finished 4th over here. But oh yea, the...
You must be talking about the same Ken Roczen that won the Lites class in Europe and then finished 4th over here. But oh yea, the GP's are just as competitive....
Yeah, top four in the title, multiple podiums and a moto win plus more laps lead than the eventual champion is just pathetic. I mean, why even bother?
Hangin & Bangin 9/13/2012 5:10pm
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40Plus_922mx wrote:
1). Apearantly no one remembers the few years some of our top guys tried to remain on the smokers (DV, MC, Etc) while everyone else adapted...
1). Apearantly no one remembers the few years some of our top guys tried to remain on the smokers (DV, MC, Etc) while everyone else adapted to the thumps and they all came to the same conclusion. THE THUMPS ARE BETTER. So unless the manufact's can set up a smoker with similar torque and power delivery as a mondern thump this point is mute.

2). Our guys are faster than the euros. Plain and simple, all the edidence is there, open shut case, done deal.
[wincing]
1. The last year that the factories supported two-strokes on the pro level was 2005. and in that year they went 1-2-3 for nearly every round of the SX series. FACT. Please explain your logic. If the dumpers are better, why is it that they did not take over until ALL the twostrokes were off the track? It's a fact, not speculation.

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FGR01 9/14/2012 12:27am
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All you guys whining about the displacement disadvantage are smoking crack. You could race a 500cc 2 stroke.. or hell, any size you want..600..750.. doesn't matter, it will be at a disadvantage to a 450 thumper. It's about character of power, not sheer amount of power.
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burn1986 9/14/2012 5:27am
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FGR01 wrote:
All you guys whining about the displacement disadvantage are smoking crack. You could race a 500cc 2 stroke.. or hell, any size you want..600..750.. doesn't matter...
All you guys whining about the displacement disadvantage are smoking crack. You could race a 500cc 2 stroke.. or hell, any size you want..600..750.. doesn't matter, it will be at a disadvantage to a 450 thumper. It's about character of power, not sheer amount of power.
To a point.
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motogrady 9/14/2012 7:34am
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FGR01 wrote:
All you guys whining about the displacement disadvantage are smoking crack. You could race a 500cc 2 stroke.. or hell, any size you want..600..750.. doesn't matter...
All you guys whining about the displacement disadvantage are smoking crack. You could race a 500cc 2 stroke.. or hell, any size you want..600..750.. doesn't matter, it will be at a disadvantage to a 450 thumper. It's about character of power, not sheer amount of power.
Different pipes, porting, you can make any kind of power you want from a 2.

A screamer, or the piece of farm equipment you speak of, take your pick.

You don't know what you're talking about.
NateDawg122 9/14/2012 8:38am
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Titan1 wrote:
I agree with you...Dungey, on the other hand, apparently doesn't.

Just sayin...

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NateDawg122 wrote:
You must be talking about the same Ken Roczen that won the Lites class in Europe and then finished 4th over here. But oh yea, the...
You must be talking about the same Ken Roczen that won the Lites class in Europe and then finished 4th over here. But oh yea, the GP's are just as competitive....
bayodome wrote:
Yeah, top four in the title, multiple podiums and a moto win plus more laps lead than the eventual champion is just pathetic. I mean, why...
Yeah, top four in the title, multiple podiums and a moto win plus more laps lead than the eventual champion is just pathetic. I mean, why even bother?
Please remind me cause I forgot, how many points do they give for most laps led? Also that's a pretty skewed fact seeing as we all know Blake doesn't put on a charge till the second half of the moto. I'm pretty sure Blake could care less if Roczen or anyone else leads every lap of the race, as long as he crosses the finish line first. I'm not saying it was a bad season but he went from being the MX2 Champion to not even finishing in the top three over here. It's just more competitive on this side of the pond.
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FGR01 9/14/2012 9:05am
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motogrady wrote:
Different pipes, porting, you can make any kind of power you want from a 2. A screamer, or the piece of farm equipment you speak of...
Different pipes, porting, you can make any kind of power you want from a 2.

A screamer, or the piece of farm equipment you speak of, take your pick.

You don't know what you're talking about.
Bullshit. I know exactly what I am talking about. I own and ride both. You can slightly alter the power delivery but cannot change the basic character of the engine. If there was any hope of gaining any kind of advantage riding a 500 against a 450 people would be doing it. But there isn't and they aren't.

I love to ride 2-strokes as much as the next guy but facts are facts. Denying the truth just makes people look stupid. The 450 is a superior motocross racing machine.
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FGR01 wrote:
All you guys whining about the displacement disadvantage are smoking crack. You could race a 500cc 2 stroke.. or hell, any size you want..600..750.. doesn't matter...
All you guys whining about the displacement disadvantage are smoking crack. You could race a 500cc 2 stroke.. or hell, any size you want..600..750.. doesn't matter, it will be at a disadvantage to a 450 thumper. It's about character of power, not sheer amount of power.
how about a 250f vs. a 250t ?
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burn1986 9/14/2012 9:16am
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Of course you have the famous DC line " . . . we did the tests . . . at least 2 seconds a lap faster . . . etc, etc, etc . . ."
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CR500Rider 9/14/2012 9:22am
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DirtRoadmx47 wrote:
Whats a two stroke ?
Hangin & Bangin wrote:
The bike that revolutionized and stood at the top of motocross for the first 40 years of the sport's existence.

Been riding long?
You're not too familiar with the history of our sport are you?
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CR500Rider 9/14/2012 9:23am
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FGR01 wrote:
All you guys whining about the displacement disadvantage are smoking crack. You could race a 500cc 2 stroke.. or hell, any size you want..600..750.. doesn't matter...
All you guys whining about the displacement disadvantage are smoking crack. You could race a 500cc 2 stroke.. or hell, any size you want..600..750.. doesn't matter, it will be at a disadvantage to a 450 thumper. It's about character of power, not sheer amount of power.
I don't find your statement to be true at all. The only disadvantages come from brakes and suspension, not the engine.
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FGR01 9/14/2012 9:29am
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CR500Rider wrote:
I don't find your statement to be true at all. The only disadvantages come from brakes and suspension, not the engine.
Wrong. The 500AF with modern chassis and brakes is still at a disadvantage to a 450.

Riders being equal, the 450 will win. The 450 is just easier to ride and more effective. Facts are facts.

Don't pull up some tired test that some mag did where "gee everyone was 3 secs a lap faster on the 500AF". Might be faster for 1 lap but won't last a moto. Again, riders being equal.

Obviously I won't get a guy with CR500Rider as his screen name to agree, but it is what it is.
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burn1986 9/14/2012 9:54am
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FGR01 wrote:
Wrong. The 500AF with modern chassis and brakes is still at a disadvantage to a 450. Riders being equal, the 450 will win. The 450 is...
Wrong. The 500AF with modern chassis and brakes is still at a disadvantage to a 450.

Riders being equal, the 450 will win. The 450 is just easier to ride and more effective. Facts are facts.

Don't pull up some tired test that some mag did where "gee everyone was 3 secs a lap faster on the 500AF". Might be faster for 1 lap but won't last a moto. Again, riders being equal.

Obviously I won't get a guy with CR500Rider as his screen name to agree, but it is what it is.
There are no tests, and there never will be. The mags won't ever put out that test, just as they would never put a 150sx against the Big 4 250fs in an outright test. It doesn't matter which bike or whatever. The rules as they stand are designed to give the 4s an advantage. If they were changed to up the displacement of the 2s, then you would have more riders riding them. Duh, how many times have we gone over this?!
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CR500Rider 9/14/2012 9:57am
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CR500Rider wrote:
I don't find your statement to be true at all. The only disadvantages come from brakes and suspension, not the engine.
FGR01 wrote:
Wrong. The 500AF with modern chassis and brakes is still at a disadvantage to a 450. Riders being equal, the 450 will win. The 450 is...
Wrong. The 500AF with modern chassis and brakes is still at a disadvantage to a 450.

Riders being equal, the 450 will win. The 450 is just easier to ride and more effective. Facts are facts.

Don't pull up some tired test that some mag did where "gee everyone was 3 secs a lap faster on the 500AF". Might be faster for 1 lap but won't last a moto. Again, riders being equal.

Obviously I won't get a guy with CR500Rider as his screen name to agree, but it is what it is.
I can ride a CR500 at pace longer than I can ride a 450 at pace. That's not what a magazine told me, it's what I've proven to myself with actual track time. I don't know what else to tell you.

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