Baggets minimum to clinch?

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Is a 3-3 at elsinore good enough to wrap it up? as evidenced today a 3-3 is not gonna be easy. Obviously Bags will be wary of getting aggressive with Eli after seeing how that worked out for Deano.......... Elsinore is gonna be the most exciting round 12 since Canard won Pala and the title in 2010. I cannot wait!Woohoo
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Derpin' DJ 9/1/2012 6:48pm
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A 3-4 will get it done, assuming Tomac goes 1-1
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If Tomac goes 1-1 Bagget can go 3-4 and clich it. At 4-4 they would tie on points. Not sure where the tie breakers lie, I have not looked into that.
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Derpin' DJ 9/1/2012 6:52pm
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I'm pretty sure overall wins would be the tie-breaker, which would go to Tomac
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DownSouth 9/1/2012 7:00pm
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
I'm pretty sure overall wins would be the tie-breaker, which would go to Tomac
Yeah, overalls first and then moto wins if still tied. I was not sure off the top of my head where that OA tally was. They each have 4 so far

Bagget won Hangtown, Budds Creek, Red Bud, & Southwick
Tomac won Freestone, Hi Point, Millville, & Steel City

Bagget has 9 moto wins and Tomac 8 to date.

If somehow OA's and moto wins are still tied I think they go to # of 2nd place motos from there.

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Hank_Thrill 9/1/2012 7:36pm
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At the minimum, I'd say a "no choke" would wrap it up.

Judging by Blake's facial expressions and tone after the second moto interview, all the momentum is in Tomac's side of the court. This championship will probably be determined by Bagget's ability to handle pressure.
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
At the minimum, I'd say a "no choke" would wrap it up. Judging by Blake's facial expressions and tone after the second moto interview, all the...
At the minimum, I'd say a "no choke" would wrap it up.

Judging by Blake's facial expressions and tone after the second moto interview, all the momentum is in Tomac's side of the court. This championship will probably be determined by Bagget's ability to handle pressure.
pretty comical when people like yourself still think baggett cant handle pressure.

holding the points lead for 11 straight rounds and heading into the final with a 14 points cushion, sounds like he can handle it. his points gap has gone up and down through out the summer and he has yet to lose it. alot can happen at the last round, but A LOT would have to happen for things to change.
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DownSouth wrote:
If Tomac goes 1-1 Bagget can go 3-4 and clich it. At 4-4 they would tie on points. Not sure where the tie breakers lie, I...
If Tomac goes 1-1 Bagget can go 3-4 and clich it. At 4-4 they would tie on points. Not sure where the tie breakers lie, I have not looked into that.
If Baggett goes 4-4 and Tomac 1-1, Tomac wins cause he has more overalls. I think Tomac would have five to Baggett`s four.
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dennis90 9/1/2012 10:01pm
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No matter who wins, those guys have provided a helluva series for us fans.
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
At the minimum, I'd say a "no choke" would wrap it up. Judging by Blake's facial expressions and tone after the second moto interview, all the...
At the minimum, I'd say a "no choke" would wrap it up.

Judging by Blake's facial expressions and tone after the second moto interview, all the momentum is in Tomac's side of the court. This championship will probably be determined by Bagget's ability to handle pressure.
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pretty comical when people like yourself still think baggett cant handle pressure. holding the points lead for 11 straight rounds and heading into the final with...
pretty comical when people like yourself still think baggett cant handle pressure.

holding the points lead for 11 straight rounds and heading into the final with a 14 points cushion, sounds like he can handle it. his points gap has gone up and down through out the summer and he has yet to lose it. alot can happen at the last round, but A LOT would have to happen for things to change.
He didn't say he "couldn't " handle it, just how he deals with it. The amount of pressure on him now is more than any other race, its a whole seasons worth
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pretty comical when people like yourself still think baggett cant handle pressure. holding the points lead for 11 straight rounds and heading into the final with...
pretty comical when people like yourself still think baggett cant handle pressure.

holding the points lead for 11 straight rounds and heading into the final with a 14 points cushion, sounds like he can handle it. his points gap has gone up and down through out the summer and he has yet to lose it. alot can happen at the last round, but A LOT would have to happen for things to change.
& there are A LOT of Gieco bikes out on the track for Baggett to contend with, it will be very interesting to see how it turns out in the end
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NoGo 9/1/2012 11:58pm
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& there are A LOT of Gieco bikes out on the track for Baggett to contend with, it will be very interesting to see how it...
& there are A LOT of Gieco bikes out on the track for Baggett to contend with, it will be very interesting to see how it turns out in the end
same amount of geico bikes have been out there all season. and all season #12 has had the lead. it likely wont be anywhere near as interesting as you want it to be.
KICKERMAN360 9/2/2012 12:50am
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I've read many comments that Lake Elsinore is much more of an outdoor supercross track, compared to your natural terrain MX track. Well Bagget had horrendous SX results, where as the other top guys did well. After watching that first moto, Tomac just seemed to be able to always have the rear wheel on the ground when other guys wouldn't. I still am doubtful that Bagget will give up his lead though.

This championship between Bagget and Tomac reminds me of Pastrana/Roncada. Pastrana played catch up to just edge and win the championship in 2000.
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bobby397 9/2/2012 3:28am
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I don't really believe baggett has pushed it as hard as he could the past two races, he'll do what he has to do to win the title.
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KICKERMAN360 wrote:
I've read many comments that Lake Elsinore is much more of an outdoor supercross track, compared to your natural terrain MX track. Well Bagget had horrendous...
I've read many comments that Lake Elsinore is much more of an outdoor supercross track, compared to your natural terrain MX track. Well Bagget had horrendous SX results, where as the other top guys did well. After watching that first moto, Tomac just seemed to be able to always have the rear wheel on the ground when other guys wouldn't. I still am doubtful that Bagget will give up his lead though.

This championship between Bagget and Tomac reminds me of Pastrana/Roncada. Pastrana played catch up to just edge and win the championship in 2000.
Good point. If Elsinore is just a jacked up SX, should be Tomac's advantage. We know how he rapes Blake at SX. But can Barcia and Roczen get between them again for it to matter?
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mccread 9/2/2012 5:46am
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I thought Tomac would be champ at the start of the year, he is coming on strong now but I think Baggett will hold on and win the title.
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Huckster 9/2/2012 5:47am
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KICKERMAN360 wrote:
I've read many comments that Lake Elsinore is much more of an outdoor supercross track, compared to your natural terrain MX track. Well Bagget had horrendous...
I've read many comments that Lake Elsinore is much more of an outdoor supercross track, compared to your natural terrain MX track. Well Bagget had horrendous SX results, where as the other top guys did well. After watching that first moto, Tomac just seemed to be able to always have the rear wheel on the ground when other guys wouldn't. I still am doubtful that Bagget will give up his lead though.

This championship between Bagget and Tomac reminds me of Pastrana/Roncada. Pastrana played catch up to just edge and win the championship in 2000.
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Good point. If Elsinore is just a jacked up SX, should be Tomac's advantage. We know how he rapes Blake at SX. But can Barcia and...
Good point. If Elsinore is just a jacked up SX, should be Tomac's advantage. We know how he rapes Blake at SX. But can Barcia and Roczen get between them again for it to matter?
Justin and roczen didn't have many problems with Baggett in SX this year so i wouldn't see why not if in fact it is an outdoor SX track.....Musquin is the wild card. If he is on his "unadilla" game then there could be issues for BB. If not, Blake can cruise to a 4-4 and clinch. Can't really see anyone else getting in his way.
Motocross83 9/2/2012 5:54am
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Yeah I still think BB will get it done, you have to say that really as the most likely scenario. But that's a good point about Musquin - you never know with that guy. He could play spoiler to the whole thing.
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chrisbuehler 9/2/2012 6:16am
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Huckster wrote:
Justin and roczen didn't have many problems with Baggett in SX this year so i wouldn't see why not if in fact it is an outdoor...
Justin and roczen didn't have many problems with Baggett in SX this year so i wouldn't see why not if in fact it is an outdoor SX track.....Musquin is the wild card. If he is on his "unadilla" game then there could be issues for BB. If not, Blake can cruise to a 4-4 and clinch. Can't really see anyone else getting in his way.
But Blake can't get a 4-4 though right? He needs a 3-4 because Tomac should have the tie-breaker

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rmpilot 9/2/2012 6:44am
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Huckster wrote:
Justin and roczen didn't have many problems with Baggett in SX this year so i wouldn't see why not if in fact it is an outdoor...
Justin and roczen didn't have many problems with Baggett in SX this year so i wouldn't see why not if in fact it is an outdoor SX track.....Musquin is the wild card. If he is on his "unadilla" game then there could be issues for BB. If not, Blake can cruise to a 4-4 and clinch. Can't really see anyone else getting in his way.
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But Blake can't get a 4-4 though right? He needs a 3-4 because Tomac should have the tie-breaker
assuming tomac wins with a 1-1
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This is a motorsport. Baggett, Tomac and Barcia (who everyone is apparently done talking about) are still less than one moto away from each other. A lot can happen in one moto, and we have two left. I'm excited for next week, should be a good one.
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Huckster wrote:
Justin and roczen didn't have many problems with Baggett in SX this year so i wouldn't see why not if in fact it is an outdoor...
Justin and roczen didn't have many problems with Baggett in SX this year so i wouldn't see why not if in fact it is an outdoor SX track.....Musquin is the wild card. If he is on his "unadilla" game then there could be issues for BB. If not, Blake can cruise to a 4-4 and clinch. Can't really see anyone else getting in his way.
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But Blake can't get a 4-4 though right? He needs a 3-4 because Tomac should have the tie-breaker
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assuming tomac wins with a 1-1
Of course, of course. Just goes to show how important every moto, every position is. Eli doesn't clip that tree at Southwick and has a good first moto at Dilla and things are way different. Kind of the reason Dungey is so special, he's in it every moto. No matter who injured or not, he's at the front with good starts and he's there at the end with superior fitness. Not sure why no one wants to give him credit for his approach, that's off topic though.
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chrisbuehler 9/2/2012 8:09am
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A little off topic but I wonder how's Blake's starts are so poor when he's the among the smallest guys out there? He had a nice holey at Steel City but for the most part they are few and far between. In contrast, Eli's aren't the picture of consistency but he's def got them nailed better than Blake and he's a big kid on that 250f. I think when Eli get a 450 under him, he will be at the front consistently. It's not gonna serve Blake well in the premier class always working from the back. He won't be running down RV from 15-20sec back with his mid pack charges
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NoGo 9/2/2012 10:17am
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chrisbuehler wrote:
Of course, of course. Just goes to show how important every moto, every position is. Eli doesn't clip that tree at Southwick and has a good...
Of course, of course. Just goes to show how important every moto, every position is. Eli doesn't clip that tree at Southwick and has a good first moto at Dilla and things are way different. Kind of the reason Dungey is so special, he's in it every moto. No matter who injured or not, he's at the front with good starts and he's there at the end with superior fitness. Not sure why no one wants to give him credit for his approach, that's off topic though.
if.if.if.

IF Blake had washed his front end at Millville or washougal he'd have over a Moto lead. if he hadn't gone done at high point he'd have over a Moto lead. there's quite a few what ifs this season the would only lend another Moto win to baggett.

all these what ifs you have are you trying to say Blake is lucky eli fucked up.
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chrisbuehler wrote:
Of course, of course. Just goes to show how important every moto, every position is. Eli doesn't clip that tree at Southwick and has a good...
Of course, of course. Just goes to show how important every moto, every position is. Eli doesn't clip that tree at Southwick and has a good first moto at Dilla and things are way different. Kind of the reason Dungey is so special, he's in it every moto. No matter who injured or not, he's at the front with good starts and he's there at the end with superior fitness. Not sure why no one wants to give him credit for his approach, that's off topic though.
you just said why dungey is great.
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Technically he could go 2-6 or 6-2 and still win the title. He would win by 1 point. 6th is the worst single moto result he can have without winning the other moto.
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Huckster 9/2/2012 11:16am
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tomac is the fastest guy, Justin has led the most laps and Baggett will probably win the title barring any melt downs, ala pourcel. the fastest guy doesnt always win the title. If Blake can stand up to the pressue next weekend, he will have earned the title....
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Lifesarutt64 wrote:
& there are A LOT of Gieco bikes out on the track for Baggett to contend with, it will be very interesting to see how it...
& there are A LOT of Gieco bikes out on the track for Baggett to contend with, it will be very interesting to see how it turns out in the end
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same amount of geico bikes have been out there all season. and all season #12 has had the lead. it likely wont be anywhere near as...
same amount of geico bikes have been out there all season. and all season #12 has had the lead. it likely wont be anywhere near as interesting as you want it to be.
You're probably right, but anything can happen. (Canard/Pourcel 2010)
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NoGo 9/2/2012 11:35am
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tomac is the fastest guy, Justin has led the most laps and Baggett will probably win the title barring any melt downs, ala pourcel. the fastest...
tomac is the fastest guy, Justin has led the most laps and Baggett will probably win the title barring any melt downs, ala pourcel. the fastest guy doesnt always win the title. If Blake can stand up to the pressue next weekend, he will have earned the title....
thats a pretty big stretch. these last 3 tracks are tomacs best. but to say tomac is the fastest guy is to ignore every other race. there has been one moto at one race this whole summer that baggett has won where tomac shouldve won and that was 2nd moto southwick. every other moto baggetts won he was hands down faster than anyone and theres the ones he shouldve have won and theres more than one of those. but shoulda coulda wouldas mean nothing.
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Huckster 9/2/2012 11:57am
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tomac is the fastest guy, Justin has led the most laps and Baggett will probably win the title barring any melt downs, ala pourcel. the fastest...
tomac is the fastest guy, Justin has led the most laps and Baggett will probably win the title barring any melt downs, ala pourcel. the fastest guy doesnt always win the title. If Blake can stand up to the pressue next weekend, he will have earned the title....
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thats a pretty big stretch. these last 3 tracks are tomacs best. but to say tomac is the fastest guy is to ignore every other race...
thats a pretty big stretch. these last 3 tracks are tomacs best. but to say tomac is the fastest guy is to ignore every other race. there has been one moto at one race this whole summer that baggett has won where tomac shouldve won and that was 2nd moto southwick. every other moto baggetts won he was hands down faster than anyone and theres the ones he shouldve have won and theres more than one of those. but shoulda coulda wouldas mean nothing.
Stretch? What part? Tomac being faster or Justin leading the most laps? Or BB earning the title if he does win it? As for your comment about Tomac's best tracks, it could be said that the tracks BB goes fast and won on are "his" tracks. Tomac is faster right now and we will see how it pans out at the end of the day next Saturday. Keep the faith....
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Huckster wrote:
tomac is the fastest guy, Justin has led the most laps and Baggett will probably win the title barring any melt downs, ala pourcel. the fastest...
tomac is the fastest guy, Justin has led the most laps and Baggett will probably win the title barring any melt downs, ala pourcel. the fastest guy doesnt always win the title. If Blake can stand up to the pressue next weekend, he will have earned the title....
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thats a pretty big stretch. these last 3 tracks are tomacs best. but to say tomac is the fastest guy is to ignore every other race...
thats a pretty big stretch. these last 3 tracks are tomacs best. but to say tomac is the fastest guy is to ignore every other race. there has been one moto at one race this whole summer that baggett has won where tomac shouldve won and that was 2nd moto southwick. every other moto baggetts won he was hands down faster than anyone and theres the ones he shouldve have won and theres more than one of those. but shoulda coulda wouldas mean nothing.
Ive heard other people say the same thing, where is that stat coming from, I truly dont understand why those 3 tracks are his best?

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