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8/17/2012 1:35am
TeamGreen wrote:
Let's talk "Spoilers"...shall we? Desalle seems to be Waaaay UNDER-Rated. Roczen seems to come to Life when he goes "Home" to race. The Happy Portagee seems...
Let's talk "Spoilers"...shall we?

Desalle seems to be Waaaay UNDER-Rated. Roczen seems to come to Life when he goes "Home" to race. The Happy Portagee seems REALLY "Stoked" this year...then there's that English kid on the little bike...so, spoilers, anyone?
Spoilers? -> Nagl, he is pretty fast in the sand too.
8/17/2012 1:41am
Track does not matter. People who know nothing about the history of the sport will not remember that the very first MXdN the US won in...
Track does not matter. People who know nothing about the history of the sport will not remember that the very first MXdN the US won in '81 was at Lommel. Actually, back in those days there were two separate events, the Trophee des Nations for 250s, and a week later the Motocross des Nations for the 500s which was at a different track in West Germany. The point here is, the US won both, the Trophee des Nations was at Lommel in '81 and NONE of the US riders were sand specialists, they were all SoCal kids who grew up racing hard pack. The track will NOT matter, at the level these guys are at, its talent, speed and who has the least bad luck.

Individual riders like Cairoli and Herlings can win motos but barring crashes or DNFs, the US team will be hard to beat. They are not unbeatable by any means, but they are strong.
I agree that the American riders should be able to overcome Lommel enough to still get the job done. They are the clear team favourites. However to say that the track won't be an issue AT ALL, is a little unrealistic. This will be a tough track for the American riders simply because they haven't ridden conditions like it on a regular basis.

The tracks do make a difference, we know this because some riders excel on certain circuits. Sure these guys are talented and given an appropriate adjustment period, they can overcome any condition in a relatively short amount of time. But human nature being what it is, we're stronger at what we encounter the most. I take the point about 81 but that was a different era and the American riders were technically above and beyond their GP counterparts.

But still, as everyone has said, so much can vary on the day..... Lady luck will be playing a big part for everyone.
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8/17/2012 1:46am Edited Date/Time 8/17/2012 2:33am
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The Americans may not beat Herlings and maybe not even Cairoli....but no other team has three riders as solid as Team USA does. Baring disaster for...
The Americans may not beat Herlings and maybe not even Cairoli....but no other team has three riders as solid as Team USA does.

Baring disaster for USA (DNF's, injuries) USA will win the title..again. They may not win every moto (they seldom do), but without any disasters, they'll win the title.
100% agree. The Americans wont struggle like many predict, they will be fast and they get plenty of time to get used to the track on Saturday and in warm up on Sunday. Plus they will be over early to ride the sand for a week or two. They will be fine.
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8/17/2012 2:18am
Geeze, that place is a sand box isn't it? I always wanted to ride that place.

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8/17/2012 4:19am
I've said this in another thread the Americans may lose the races but I bet they win the trophy

I'm with whoever said they wanted Cairoli to have a good race! Except I want him to have a good weekend and to see, and show exactly where he stands

I dig that dude
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8/17/2012 4:28am
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Has Herlings raced AC straight up in a sand track? I can't recall Herlings beating AC in the sand. I honestly think that Herlings might be...
Has Herlings raced AC straight up in a sand track? I can't recall Herlings beating AC in the sand. I honestly think that Herlings might be in for a humbling experience with some big dogs in the same race.
Not yet but Herlings raced the big dogs at the MXdN in France last year and did pretty good on a track he's not really comfortable on.
No need to explain how comfortable Herlings is on a track like Lommel. Wink
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8/17/2012 4:30am
Rupert X wrote:
Disagree sir, as the (UNOFFICIAL) Team Captain, if I show anything BUT 100% commitment, determination and confidence, Ryan, Justin and BB ( that's what I call...
Disagree sir, as the (UNOFFICIAL) Team Captain, if I show anything BUT 100% commitment, determination and confidence,

Ryan, Justin and BB ( that's what I call him), will lose faith in themselves and eat sand hamwiches. I MUST be a leader and

provide the backbone and trust for this red, white and blue assault on the SANDS OF LOMMEL.

I've been there before, you know. And I won't come back 'til it;'s over, over there.
Some of your posted pics have nothing to do with Lommel Rupert.
Stop bringing Amsterdam down by letting people believe it is downtown Lommel. Cool
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8/17/2012 4:32am
What are the chances for rain there late September?
Pretty big but it doesn't really matter.
It's not gonna be like Southwick last year since the bottomless sand at Lommel will absorb way more water.
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8/17/2012 4:42am
I agree that the American riders should be able to overcome Lommel enough to still get the job done. They are the clear team favourites. However...
I agree that the American riders should be able to overcome Lommel enough to still get the job done. They are the clear team favourites. However to say that the track won't be an issue AT ALL, is a little unrealistic. This will be a tough track for the American riders simply because they haven't ridden conditions like it on a regular basis.

The tracks do make a difference, we know this because some riders excel on certain circuits. Sure these guys are talented and given an appropriate adjustment period, they can overcome any condition in a relatively short amount of time. But human nature being what it is, we're stronger at what we encounter the most. I take the point about 81 but that was a different era and the American riders were technically above and beyond their GP counterparts.

But still, as everyone has said, so much can vary on the day..... Lady luck will be playing a big part for everyone.
They overcame Lommel in '81 and they were literally a B team, none of them were the '81 US champ though Chuck Sun did win the '80 500 Championship. Euros that think Lommel is something special have obviously never ridden in Florida, one of my favorite local tracks has sand just like that, bottomless. Trust me, the US team may not win, but if they lose it wont have anything to do with the track.
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8/17/2012 4:46am
Yeah I starting bringing up AC this week. With all the Herlings talk, we are forgetting AC is a force at Lommel. Wouldn't surprise me a...
Yeah I starting bringing up AC this week. With all the Herlings talk, we are forgetting AC is a force at Lommel. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he romped. And yes, I would love for him to wax Herlings and sent him a message. Waiting for you when you move up big boy
Agree, it's not all about Herlings, Cairoli has ruled at Lommel for the last year.
The dude knows every bump of that track and lives in Lommel.

Saturday morning Toni and his lovely GF Jill will walk out of their front door to and drive 5 minutes to the track to do some media stuff, get in gear, race the qualifiers, go back home in the afternoon, make a nice pasta and chill on their own couch.
Sunday morning Jill will make Toni some breakfast and 10 minutes before free practice starts they get in their car and drive to the track.
That's how comfortable this MXdN will be for TC222.
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8/17/2012 5:22am
Yeah I starting bringing up AC this week. With all the Herlings talk, we are forgetting AC is a force at Lommel. Wouldn't surprise me a...
Yeah I starting bringing up AC this week. With all the Herlings talk, we are forgetting AC is a force at Lommel. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he romped. And yes, I would love for him to wax Herlings and sent him a message. Waiting for you when you move up big boy
Jefro98 wrote:
Agree, it's not all about Herlings, Cairoli has ruled at Lommel for the last year. The dude knows every bump of that track and lives in...
Agree, it's not all about Herlings, Cairoli has ruled at Lommel for the last year.
The dude knows every bump of that track and lives in Lommel.

Saturday morning Toni and his lovely GF Jill will walk out of their front door to and drive 5 minutes to the track to do some media stuff, get in gear, race the qualifiers, go back home in the afternoon, make a nice pasta and chill on their own couch.
Sunday morning Jill will make Toni some breakfast and 10 minutes before free practice starts they get in their car and drive to the track.
That's how comfortable this MXdN will be for TC222.
Jeffrey you forgot to tell us what is happening between the chilling on the couch and the breakfast the other morning ;-)
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8/17/2012 5:36am
Geeze, that place is a sand box isn't it? I always wanted to ride that place. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/08/16/Belgium_138_132374.jpg[/img]
Geeze, that place is a sand box isn't it? I always wanted to ride that place.
You'd hate it....
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8/17/2012 5:41am Edited Date/Time 8/17/2012 5:44am
Yeah I starting bringing up AC this week. With all the Herlings talk, we are forgetting AC is a force at Lommel. Wouldn't surprise me a...
Yeah I starting bringing up AC this week. With all the Herlings talk, we are forgetting AC is a force at Lommel. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he romped. And yes, I would love for him to wax Herlings and sent him a message. Waiting for you when you move up big boy
Jefro98 wrote:
Agree, it's not all about Herlings, Cairoli has ruled at Lommel for the last year. The dude knows every bump of that track and lives in...
Agree, it's not all about Herlings, Cairoli has ruled at Lommel for the last year.
The dude knows every bump of that track and lives in Lommel.

Saturday morning Toni and his lovely GF Jill will walk out of their front door to and drive 5 minutes to the track to do some media stuff, get in gear, race the qualifiers, go back home in the afternoon, make a nice pasta and chill on their own couch.
Sunday morning Jill will make Toni some breakfast and 10 minutes before free practice starts they get in their car and drive to the track.
That's how comfortable this MXdN will be for TC222.
mxmasta wrote:
Jeffrey you forgot to tell us what is happening between the chilling on the couch and the breakfast the other morning ;-)
Yes Jefro tell us what more skills Jill have lol
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8/17/2012 5:57am Edited Date/Time 8/17/2012 5:58am
Yeah I starting bringing up AC this week. With all the Herlings talk, we are forgetting AC is a force at Lommel. Wouldn't surprise me a...
Yeah I starting bringing up AC this week. With all the Herlings talk, we are forgetting AC is a force at Lommel. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he romped. And yes, I would love for him to wax Herlings and sent him a message. Waiting for you when you move up big boy
Jefro98 wrote:
Agree, it's not all about Herlings, Cairoli has ruled at Lommel for the last year. The dude knows every bump of that track and lives in...
Agree, it's not all about Herlings, Cairoli has ruled at Lommel for the last year.
The dude knows every bump of that track and lives in Lommel.

Saturday morning Toni and his lovely GF Jill will walk out of their front door to and drive 5 minutes to the track to do some media stuff, get in gear, race the qualifiers, go back home in the afternoon, make a nice pasta and chill on their own couch.
Sunday morning Jill will make Toni some breakfast and 10 minutes before free practice starts they get in their car and drive to the track.
That's how comfortable this MXdN will be for TC222.
This race is really all about Herlings v Cairoli for me right now even if Herlings is on an MX2 bike., it will be interesting to see if Dungey can run that pace, if he can and they all get away, it could be an epic race.

Don't forget Roczen and Nagl those guys are really fast in the sand.
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8/17/2012 6:07am
Jefro98 wrote:
Agree, it's not all about Herlings, Cairoli has ruled at Lommel for the last year. The dude knows every bump of that track and lives in...
Agree, it's not all about Herlings, Cairoli has ruled at Lommel for the last year.
The dude knows every bump of that track and lives in Lommel.

Saturday morning Toni and his lovely GF Jill will walk out of their front door to and drive 5 minutes to the track to do some media stuff, get in gear, race the qualifiers, go back home in the afternoon, make a nice pasta and chill on their own couch.
Sunday morning Jill will make Toni some breakfast and 10 minutes before free practice starts they get in their car and drive to the track.
That's how comfortable this MXdN will be for TC222.
mxmasta wrote:
Jeffrey you forgot to tell us what is happening between the chilling on the couch and the breakfast the other morning ;-)
Berguven wrote:
Yes Jefro tell us what more skills Jill have lol
Hahahaha, just ask Cairoli, I have know idea.
I wish I knew. Laughing Laughing
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8/17/2012 6:09am Edited Date/Time 8/17/2012 6:10am
mccread wrote:
This race is really all about Herlings v Cairoli for me right now even if Herlings is on an MX2 bike., it will be interesting to...
This race is really all about Herlings v Cairoli for me right now even if Herlings is on an MX2 bike., it will be interesting to see if Dungey can run that pace, if he can and they all get away, it could be an epic race.

Don't forget Roczen and Nagl those guys are really fast in the sand.
Herlings been riding the 350 last week at Lommel so my guess is he won't be riding the MX2 class.
That's probably gonna be Glenn Coldenhoff.

Agree on Roczen and Nagl.
Roczen won the 2010 GP at Lommel beating Herlings, Nagl's been on the podium there too.
8/17/2012 6:16am
So, is MX3 truly "open"? Does anyone have definitive displacement rules for that class?
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8/17/2012 6:20am
What hit me is that if JH, CD, MN and AC gets beat straight up in lommel, that would be the end of all AMA vs MXGP discussion.

Can CP ride sand?
8/17/2012 6:35am
Alessi, Stewart, and Tomac need to go as "Team Guam/Marshall Islands/American Samoa" (US Territory) and just spoil the party.
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8/17/2012 6:41am
Berguven wrote:
What hit me is that if JH, CD, MN and AC gets beat straight up in lommel, that would be the end of all AMA vs...
What hit me is that if JH, CD, MN and AC gets beat straight up in lommel, that would be the end of all AMA vs MXGP discussion.

Can CP ride sand?
No ofcourse not.
The AMA vs MXGP discussion will never end.

CP can ride sand.
He won a GP at Lierop in the MX2 class beating AC.
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8/17/2012 6:42am
This is a pretty cool bike. Do they actually sell these?






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8/17/2012 6:44am Edited Date/Time 8/17/2012 6:45am
Alessi, Stewart, and Tomac need to go as "Team Guam/Marshall Islands/American Samoa" (US Territory) and just spoil the party.
You don't understand do you?

That would make the party even bigger. It's not about winning or losing.
Most expect the Americans to win the MXdN, they always do and they should.
All european MX fans would love to see more Americans race at the MXdN.
Especially Stewart. He's got many fans here.
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8/17/2012 6:50am
How heavily have JH and AC been pressed this year? BB and JB have delivered high-intensity 30+2 motos all year, so it begs the question: if in the final stages of the race we have a multi-rider battle for the lead, who has the mental and physical abilty to deliver the goods?

(Not worried about Dungey. Nobody will outwork that dude for an entire moto.)
8/17/2012 6:53am
Alessi, Stewart, and Tomac need to go as "Team Guam/Marshall Islands/American Samoa" (US Territory) and just spoil the party.
Jefro98 wrote:
You don't understand do you? That would make the party even bigger. It's not about winning or losing. Most expect the Americans to win the MXdN...
You don't understand do you?

That would make the party even bigger. It's not about winning or losing.
Most expect the Americans to win the MXdN, they always do and they should.
All european MX fans would love to see more Americans race at the MXdN.
Especially Stewart. He's got many fans here.
You wouldn't think that from reading this website, but I believe you. You look like Jeff Matiasevich by the way, which is ironic, given your name is Jeff.
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8/17/2012 6:59am Edited Date/Time 8/17/2012 7:04am
LoudLove wrote:
How heavily have JH and AC been pressed this year? BB and JB have delivered high-intensity 30+2 motos all year, so it begs the question: if...
How heavily have JH and AC been pressed this year? BB and JB have delivered high-intensity 30+2 motos all year, so it begs the question: if in the final stages of the race we have a multi-rider battle for the lead, who has the mental and physical abilty to deliver the goods?

(Not worried about Dungey. Nobody will outwork that dude for an entire moto.)
Good point.

Not too sure about Dungey thougt. The 4-5 studs in 250 class has been doing his avg. laptimes the whole series. Tyla matched him at the end of southwick. But KTM knows how to set up a bike for that track so thats a good thing for RD
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8/17/2012 7:01am Edited Date/Time 8/17/2012 7:03am
Berguven wrote:
What hit me is that if JH, CD, MN and AC gets beat straight up in lommel, that would be the end of all AMA vs...
What hit me is that if JH, CD, MN and AC gets beat straight up in lommel, that would be the end of all AMA vs MXGP discussion.

Can CP ride sand?
No because racing a full world championship series is totally different to racing a MXDN.

CP can ride sand if he wants, but I don't think he is on Herlings, Cairoli level in 2012.
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8/17/2012 7:09am
Alessi, Stewart, and Tomac need to go as "Team Guam/Marshall Islands/American Samoa" (US Territory) and just spoil the party.
Jefro98 wrote:
You don't understand do you? That would make the party even bigger. It's not about winning or losing. Most expect the Americans to win the MXdN...
You don't understand do you?

That would make the party even bigger. It's not about winning or losing.
Most expect the Americans to win the MXdN, they always do and they should.
All european MX fans would love to see more Americans race at the MXdN.
Especially Stewart. He's got many fans here.
Exactly the MXDN isn't Europe v USA. it's a countries race and it is great to see the USA riders race, it is the end of year extravaganza. It is the World Cup of motocross.
8/17/2012 7:11am
mccread wrote:
Exactly the MXDN isn't Europe v USA. it's a countries race and it is great to see the USA riders race, it is the end of...
Exactly the MXDN isn't Europe v USA. it's a countries race and it is great to see the USA riders race, it is the end of year extravaganza. It is the World Cup of motocross.
Tell that to Mohammed, MXMatti, and CarlosMacho.
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8/17/2012 7:17am
mccread wrote:
Exactly the MXDN isn't Europe v USA. it's a countries race and it is great to see the USA riders race, it is the end of...
Exactly the MXDN isn't Europe v USA. it's a countries race and it is great to see the USA riders race, it is the end of year extravaganza. It is the World Cup of motocross.
Tell that to Mohammed, MXMatti, and CarlosMacho.
These guys dont speek for all the racing fans outside USA.


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Mohammed, MXMatti, and CarlosMacho dont speek for the entire world of race fans outside USA

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