With Stewart out till Southwick..who's in for MXDN?

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7/13/2012 10:15am
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the 450's and the top citizen in the 250's.

I would think that Either Weimer or Alessi have to be offered the slot before you just automatically throw in Barcia.
7/13/2012 10:29am
lucero10x wrote:
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the...
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the 450's and the top citizen in the 250's.

I would think that Either Weimer or Alessi have to be offered the slot before you just automatically throw in Barcia.
Why? Barcia has proven that he is better than both of them on a 450. Besides all out speed Barcia is aggressive, he is a good starter, a good sand rider, and he doesn't get flustered or intimidated. All of these characteristics are important for the MXoN, especially at Lommel. Sorry but Alessi and Weimer just aren't on the same level.
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7/13/2012 10:48am Edited Date/Time 7/13/2012 10:51am
lucero10x wrote:
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the...
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the 450's and the top citizen in the 250's.

I would think that Either Weimer or Alessi have to be offered the slot before you just automatically throw in Barcia.
Why? Barcia has proven that he is better than both of them on a 450. Besides all out speed Barcia is aggressive, he is a good...
Why? Barcia has proven that he is better than both of them on a 450. Besides all out speed Barcia is aggressive, he is a good starter, a good sand rider, and he doesn't get flustered or intimidated. All of these characteristics are important for the MXoN, especially at Lommel. Sorry but Alessi and Weimer just aren't on the same level.
I could even take that 1 step farther and say......
Barcia on a 450 in the sand at Lommel in the MX1/MX3 moto could possibly finish a head of Dungey in a so called " straight up" fashion (most riders on the gate do go down once or twice at Lommel though). With the both of them always being super fast at Southwick in the sand,there is always that chance when they grace unfamiliar grounds (especially deeper sand). Smile
However,I would rather see him on a 250F over there in MX2 rather then on a 450 in MX3.
I think watching him rev the shit out of that lites bike banging guys left & right would be one hell of a treat for us all.
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7/13/2012 10:52am
lucero10x wrote:
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the...
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the 450's and the top citizen in the 250's.

I would think that Either Weimer or Alessi have to be offered the slot before you just automatically throw in Barcia.
Why? Barcia has proven that he is better than both of them on a 450. Besides all out speed Barcia is aggressive, he is a good...
Why? Barcia has proven that he is better than both of them on a 450. Besides all out speed Barcia is aggressive, he is a good starter, a good sand rider, and he doesn't get flustered or intimidated. All of these characteristics are important for the MXoN, especially at Lommel. Sorry but Alessi and Weimer just aren't on the same level.
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I could even take that 1 step farther and say...... Barcia on a 450 in the sand at Lommel in the MX1/MX3 moto could [i]possibly [/i]...
I could even take that 1 step farther and say......
Barcia on a 450 in the sand at Lommel in the MX1/MX3 moto could possibly finish a head of Dungey in a so called " straight up" fashion (most riders on the gate do go down once or twice at Lommel though). With the both of them always being super fast at Southwick in the sand,there is always that chance when they grace unfamiliar grounds (especially deeper sand). Smile
However,I would rather see him on a 250F over there in MX2 rather then on a 450 in MX3.
I think watching him rev the shit out of that lites bike banging guys left & right would be one hell of a treat for us all.
I don't know about that, I think Dungey and RV have better bike handling and a better mental focus for tackling something like Lommel.

Do you think Barcia would have finished 7th at Southwick after starting almost an entire lap behined?

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7/13/2012 11:11am Edited Date/Time 7/13/2012 11:19am
jamma10 wrote:
I don't know about that, I think Dungey and RV have better bike handling and a better mental focus for tackling something like Lommel. Do you...
I don't know about that, I think Dungey and RV have better bike handling and a better mental focus for tackling something like Lommel.

Do you think Barcia would have finished 7th at Southwick after starting almost an entire lap behined?
To answer your question....I believe there is a chance.
I wouldn't underestimate the kid on any Sand track whether it is 3ft deep of sand or 6ft lol.

Also,I think Dungey then was more in tune with his zook then the ktm....(but has really came around).
But that is another topic. Smile

Back on topic.
It's The Mans job to pick a winning team.
Who he picks should be interesting. Wink
I'm certain he knows a thing or 2 about riding/racing in the sand in Belgium.
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I don't really underestimate Barcia, the kid is an animal! Smile
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7/13/2012 11:29am
Barcia would probably blow up a 250F on the rev limiter in that deep sand. He would be great on the 450 though.

I can't imagine any of the Euros are looking forward to racing BB12 after watching what he has been doing to Ken Roczen and Marvin Musquin all year.
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7/13/2012 11:46am
lucero10x wrote:
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the...
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the 450's and the top citizen in the 250's.

I would think that Either Weimer or Alessi have to be offered the slot before you just automatically throw in Barcia.
Why? Barcia has proven that he is better than both of them on a 450. Besides all out speed Barcia is aggressive, he is a good...
Why? Barcia has proven that he is better than both of them on a 450. Besides all out speed Barcia is aggressive, he is a good starter, a good sand rider, and he doesn't get flustered or intimidated. All of these characteristics are important for the MXoN, especially at Lommel. Sorry but Alessi and Weimer just aren't on the same level.
Doesn't get flustered? Did you not watch Bercy last year? Did you not watch SX this year?



7/13/2012 11:52am
He gets angry, but he normally doesn't crack under pressure. Why do you think he dominated Supercross?
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Because he's a very talented SX rider? SX=/=MX
7/13/2012 11:59am
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Barcia would probably blow up a 250F on the rev limiter in that deep sand. He would be great on the 450 though. I can't imagine...
Barcia would probably blow up a 250F on the rev limiter in that deep sand. He would be great on the 450 though.

I can't imagine any of the Euros are looking forward to racing BB12 after watching what he has been doing to Ken Roczen and Marvin Musquin all year.
i dont think herlings will be worried about anybody going into this race- if it was at an american track then it might be a different story but i think he should have everyone covered at lommel

regarding team selection- if stewart comes back and is 1st or 2nd at southwick then he will still be selected- him, dungey and barcia would be USA's best team in my opinion with it being at a sand track. Baggetts a great rider, but not so good in the sand (he may prove me wrong but wait till millville/ southwick before putting him in the team!)

i dont think the deep sand will be a problem to any of the american riders, they are good enough to adapt to it- they will still be the favourites going into this event but i dont think anyone will beat a fully fit herlings individually (barring crashes/ mechanical failure) - cairoli will be the closest to him in my opinion. I look forward to seeing dungey/ stewart/ barcia race there though!
7/13/2012 12:01pm
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Because he's a very talented SX rider? SX=/=MX
Seems to be man handling the guy in your avatar pretty well so far this outdoor season...
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7/13/2012 12:13pm
jamma10 wrote:
I don't know about that, I think Dungey and RV have better bike handling and a better mental focus for tackling something like Lommel. Do you...
I don't know about that, I think Dungey and RV have better bike handling and a better mental focus for tackling something like Lommel.

Do you think Barcia would have finished 7th at Southwick after starting almost an entire lap behined?
Barcia got stuck on the gate and came back and passed dungey at southwick a few years ago...... So yes i do believe he would have come back to 7th.
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7/13/2012 12:15pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2012 12:15pm
Seems to be man handling the guy in your avatar pretty well so far this outdoor season...
The guy in the avatar can still man handle you w/o a prob. Smile
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i dont think herlings will be worried about anybody going into this race- if it was at an american track then it might be a different...
i dont think herlings will be worried about anybody going into this race- if it was at an american track then it might be a different story but i think he should have everyone covered at lommel

regarding team selection- if stewart comes back and is 1st or 2nd at southwick then he will still be selected- him, dungey and barcia would be USA's best team in my opinion with it being at a sand track. Baggetts a great rider, but not so good in the sand (he may prove me wrong but wait till millville/ southwick before putting him in the team!)

i dont think the deep sand will be a problem to any of the american riders, they are good enough to adapt to it- they will still be the favourites going into this event but i dont think anyone will beat a fully fit herlings individually (barring crashes/ mechanical failure) - cairoli will be the closest to him in my opinion. I look forward to seeing dungey/ stewart/ barcia race there though!
So according to you, Cairoli and Herlings will both beat the American team no matter who we send? You are way underestimating Dungey and the rest of the American team, no matter who it is.
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7/13/2012 12:34pm
lucero10x wrote:
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the...
Is there a formal selection process? How hard is it for him to get away from the recent history of the first two citizens in the 450's and the top citizen in the 250's.

I would think that Either Weimer or Alessi have to be offered the slot before you just automatically throw in Barcia.
Why? Barcia has proven that he is better than both of them on a 450. Besides all out speed Barcia is aggressive, he is a good...
Why? Barcia has proven that he is better than both of them on a 450. Besides all out speed Barcia is aggressive, he is a good starter, a good sand rider, and he doesn't get flustered or intimidated. All of these characteristics are important for the MXoN, especially at Lommel. Sorry but Alessi and Weimer just aren't on the same level.
FastEddy wrote:
I could even take that 1 step farther and say...... Barcia on a 450 in the sand at Lommel in the MX1/MX3 moto could [i]possibly [/i]...
I could even take that 1 step farther and say......
Barcia on a 450 in the sand at Lommel in the MX1/MX3 moto could possibly finish a head of Dungey in a so called " straight up" fashion (most riders on the gate do go down once or twice at Lommel though). With the both of them always being super fast at Southwick in the sand,there is always that chance when they grace unfamiliar grounds (especially deeper sand). Smile
However,I would rather see him on a 250F over there in MX2 rather then on a 450 in MX3.
I think watching him rev the shit out of that lites bike banging guys left & right would be one hell of a treat for us all.
I agree with almost all that you guys are saying except you are not taking into account precedent. Does that not mean anything? I can see the fantasy side of the equation, too, but again, what about precedent and how will that play out in the decision?
7/13/2012 12:49pm
i dont think herlings will be worried about anybody going into this race- if it was at an american track then it might be a different...
i dont think herlings will be worried about anybody going into this race- if it was at an american track then it might be a different story but i think he should have everyone covered at lommel

regarding team selection- if stewart comes back and is 1st or 2nd at southwick then he will still be selected- him, dungey and barcia would be USA's best team in my opinion with it being at a sand track. Baggetts a great rider, but not so good in the sand (he may prove me wrong but wait till millville/ southwick before putting him in the team!)

i dont think the deep sand will be a problem to any of the american riders, they are good enough to adapt to it- they will still be the favourites going into this event but i dont think anyone will beat a fully fit herlings individually (barring crashes/ mechanical failure) - cairoli will be the closest to him in my opinion. I look forward to seeing dungey/ stewart/ barcia race there though!
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So according to you, Cairoli and Herlings will both beat the American team no matter who we send? You are way underestimating Dungey and the rest...
So according to you, Cairoli and Herlings will both beat the American team no matter who we send? You are way underestimating Dungey and the rest of the American team, no matter who it is.
i think cairoli and herlings will beat all the americans individually, but that the yanks will still have the best chance at the team victory.

Assuming you send dungey, barcia and stewart- i think they will all be fast enough to be top 3-5 but i will be very surprised if they can beat toni or jeffrey individually at lommel. if they all finish top 5 then they still stand a good chance of team victory though

i hope im wrong and that the americans can give herlings a good race
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7/13/2012 1:05pm
Don't underestimate the US in Lommel, they have Decoster managing the team...he knows how to handle and compare Euro's vs US.
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7/13/2012 1:10pm
i am so hoping that our guys put a whooping down in the sand. the arrogance of you guys thinking herlings/AC will walk away with it is disturbing. I think herlings is one of/if not hte best sand riders in the world...but a lot of things can happen and will happen. I think U.S. gonna surprise some of you that think Lommel is too deep for our guys. lol. U.S. guys will be just coming off a brutal hot U.S. season and will be in shape like no other...dungey will be dialed in. I can't wait to see this now, keep pumping herlings up on his pedestal, the fall will be that much sweeter.
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Arrogant? Irony mutch?
7/13/2012 1:32pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2012 1:34pm
Katoom72 wrote:
Don't underestimate the US in Lommel, they have Decoster managing the team...he knows how to handle and compare Euro's vs US.
I'm not underestimating the US in lommel- i think they will probably win the des nations trophy. Collectively they have the best 3 rider team. I just think that cairoli and herlings (barring any mishaps) will win the individual races. Hopefully we will get some good racing, with all the contenders getting good starts and not having any crashes! (unlikely i know)

Its about time cairoli had a good mx des nations! he's had some awful luck in recent years at this event. It would be cool to see him and dungey in a straight up battle at lommel. I also really want stewart to make the team! I really want to see him race at lommel

It could be won through consistency this year- with such a brutal track there will be lots of crashing. Team GB have 3 decent sand riders so im hoping we can make the podium this year! (probable team searle, simpson and nicholls)

the US team i want to see is barcia, stewart and dungey
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On paper: Herlings wins over AC, since AC has a badluck streak @ the MXoN. IF AC does not have bad luck he could be a real contender for the win since it's basically his backyard. Lommel does tackle even the best sandriders out there....It's a whole different animal then any sandbox in the world... Herlings did not just steamroll to the win last year vs Rocky, he had some tipovers and big mistakes. The kid is still...wel...a kid. Being overconfident might bite him in the ass.

On paper those 2 Euro's wil beat the US guys individually since their sandriding capabilities are better all around.

But, this is motorcross and anything can happen. Who tought Rockzen would beat Dungey on an underpowered bike last year?
I guess no one did because that was totally unexpected. And that's the way motocross should be looked at, expect the unexpected. USA isnt gonna stand by and 'just see how they do'. They wil be prepared for this sandbox. A guy with the best eyes and judgement in our sport wil take care of that.
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7/13/2012 2:36pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2012 2:38pm
DeCoster will decide and all else will be speculation. My guess:

Dungey
Barcia
Stewart

But having Baggett as an option instead of Barcia, and Alessi as an option instead of Stewart are good problems to have.
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7/13/2012 2:44pm
Who are the Aussie candidates this year? I know there was talk of Reed trying to get back into the swing of things in time to get there, but I wonder if Metty getting knocked out with his injury will change that.
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7/13/2012 2:53pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2012 2:58pm
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i am so hoping that our guys put a whooping down in the sand. the arrogance of you guys thinking herlings/AC will walk away with it...
i am so hoping that our guys put a whooping down in the sand. the arrogance of you guys thinking herlings/AC will walk away with it is disturbing. I think herlings is one of/if not hte best sand riders in the world...but a lot of things can happen and will happen. I think U.S. gonna surprise some of you that think Lommel is too deep for our guys. lol. U.S. guys will be just coming off a brutal hot U.S. season and will be in shape like no other...dungey will be dialed in. I can't wait to see this now, keep pumping herlings up on his pedestal, the fall will be that much sweeter.
The diferrence is the MXdN is in Europe,on a more typical GP track,I'm pretty certain the US will win overall,and they are easily amongst the best riders in the world and should surely run up front,it goes without saying

There is often a great deal of arogance from a lot of guys over there too thinking and claiming they are the out and out fastest and they'll beat the so called "favourites" all win all the Motos but that's a hell lot of epectation,if Herlings,AC, or even Desalle,Pourcel,Paulin or Roczen win races over them would does that say?

Who's your money on between Barcia and Roczen on 250's at Lommel? If Ken gets one over Barcia when he's on the "other" side of the pond,I wouldn't be surprised,it might give more of an insight of how diferrent things are,take Bagget last year for instance,

The US team will be fine in the sand,the best of their best will come afterall,and with Barcia in it would make all 3 that ride Southwick awesome,personally I can't see any other team taking it BUT yes it's the MXdN format and strange things happen

The US team I'd like to see would be:
Dungey
Stewart
Barcia

Oh and straight up racing,no pile ups or breakdowns DNF's etc
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7/13/2012 2:54pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2012 2:56pm
lucero10x wrote:
I agree with almost all that you guys are saying except you are not taking into account precedent. Does that not mean anything? I can see...
I agree with almost all that you guys are saying except you are not taking into account precedent. Does that not mean anything? I can see the fantasy side of the equation, too, but again, what about precedent and how will that play out in the decision?
As far as "precedent" goes....
This year is a bit unique with it being in Lommel/deep sand.
I think some have doubted the Americans when it comes to sand riding/racing over the years.
Some have even claimed that we didn't show in Lierop that one year for the reason's like " Americans cannot ride in the sand".
I think we may have something to prove this year. Wink

I think Decoster in picking the team knows what he needs to do.
I believe that is picking the 3 best sand riders America has to offer.
Even DC said on here a couple weeks back,the MXoN team will be all Florida based sand riders.
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FastEddy wrote:
As far as "precedent" goes.... This year is a bit unique with it being in Lommel/deep sand. I think some have doubted the Americans when it...
As far as "precedent" goes....
This year is a bit unique with it being in Lommel/deep sand.
I think some have doubted the Americans when it comes to sand riding/racing over the years.
Some have even claimed that we didn't show in Lierop that one year for the reason's like " Americans cannot ride in the sand".
I think we may have something to prove this year. Wink

I think Decoster in picking the team knows what he needs to do.
I believe that is picking the 3 best sand riders America has to offer.
Even DC said on here a couple weeks back,the MXoN team will be all Florida based sand riders.
So who would be the 3 riders based out of FL? Is Barcia based in Florida?
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Ing wrote:
So who would be the 3 riders based out of FL? Is Barcia based in Florida?
Isn't he from Florida if that's what he was getting at?
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FastEddy wrote:
As far as "precedent" goes.... This year is a bit unique with it being in Lommel/deep sand. I think some have doubted the Americans when it...
As far as "precedent" goes....
This year is a bit unique with it being in Lommel/deep sand.
I think some have doubted the Americans when it comes to sand riding/racing over the years.
Some have even claimed that we didn't show in Lierop that one year for the reason's like " Americans cannot ride in the sand".
I think we may have something to prove this year. Wink

I think Decoster in picking the team knows what he needs to do.
I believe that is picking the 3 best sand riders America has to offer.
Even DC said on here a couple weeks back,the MXoN team will be all Florida based sand riders.
Ing wrote:
So who would be the 3 riders based out of FL? Is Barcia based in Florida?
Yes ,Barcia is based out of Florida.
Dungey & JS7 are the other 2.
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7/13/2012 3:57pm Edited Date/Time 7/13/2012 4:00pm
Ing wrote:
So who would be the 3 riders based out of FL? Is Barcia based in Florida?
PressPassP wrote:
Isn't he from Florida if that's what he was getting at?
I believe he is originally from New Jersey (Paterson I think).
But he has been based out of Florida for a while now.
Before that I believe he was based out of Georgia.

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