Can Baggett Get Any Better?

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7/11/2012 4:17pm Edited Date/Time 7/11/2012 4:22pm
Lol RV won 3 outdoor titles in a row on his 250f didn't he go undefeated for one of them? plus i believe 2 sx lites...
Lol RV won 3 outdoor titles in a row on his 250f didn't he go undefeated for one of them? plus i believe 2 sx lites not to mention 2007 Red Bud MXON
Yes Bagget was killing that SX track at Glen Helen and has been doing great but he has those days but sorry to say Tomac and Barcia are the next big thing until Bagget can put together a great SX Season and Outdoors
its Obvious his motorcycle skills are incredible but his (OVERALL) bike skills dont seem to be on PAR with DUNGE/RV
basically what im saying is Bagget is a great talent but he has Aldon Baker behind himCool and thats the EDGE
I don't see how barcia and tomac are the next big things simply because of regional titles. In recent years, Other than Reed there are no 450 champions who weren't also 250 national champions.

Baggetts had shitty sx results especially this year,however, he is capable of winning indoors.

You saying Aldon baker is his edge doesn't make much sense. Aldon gives him fitness he already had the speed.
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jasonv43 wrote:
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark...
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark. Next thing you know he'll be dying his hair red.
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well,
i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and would go on to win this championship by a healthy lead. He is one consistent mo fo when he's on his a game (which is 95% of the time)
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7/11/2012 4:50pm
jasonv43 wrote:
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark...
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark. Next thing you know he'll be dying his hair red.
barrs211 wrote:
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well, i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and...
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well,
i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and would go on to win this championship by a healthy lead. He is one consistent mo fo when he's on his a game (which is 95% of the time)
Hell yeah that would have been good too watch. I like Wilson a lot too.
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Lol RV won 3 outdoor titles in a row on his 250f didn't he go undefeated for one of them? plus i believe 2 sx lites...
Lol RV won 3 outdoor titles in a row on his 250f didn't he go undefeated for one of them? plus i believe 2 sx lites not to mention 2007 Red Bud MXON
Yes Bagget was killing that SX track at Glen Helen and has been doing great but he has those days but sorry to say Tomac and Barcia are the next big thing until Bagget can put together a great SX Season and Outdoors
its Obvious his motorcycle skills are incredible but his (OVERALL) bike skills dont seem to be on PAR with DUNGE/RV
basically what im saying is Bagget is a great talent but he has Aldon Baker behind himCool and thats the EDGE
obviously high on cocaine and crazy.

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7/11/2012 4:56pm
jasonv43 wrote:
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark...
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark. Next thing you know he'll be dying his hair red.
barrs211 wrote:
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well, i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and...
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well,
i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and would go on to win this championship by a healthy lead. He is one consistent mo fo when he's on his a game (which is 95% of the time)
Baggett spanked Wilson most the time.
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7/11/2012 5:11pm
jasonv43 wrote:
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark...
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark. Next thing you know he'll be dying his hair red.
barrs211 wrote:
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well, i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and...
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well,
i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and would go on to win this championship by a healthy lead. He is one consistent mo fo when he's on his a game (which is 95% of the time)
loftyair wrote:
Baggett spanked Wilson most the time.
Where was Bagget during the 250 Outdoors last year? Oh yeah -- thats right -- behind Wilson who, was collecting points, cashing checks, and busy becoming the '11 National Champion.

I don't quite understand the rave that Bagget gets. He has yet to really hold onto win streaks and establish himself as a consistent winner. Seems like he's really hot, then he's cold. And for those who keep saying "can only imagine what he'd do with a good start..." he's gotten several good starts. He tends to crash when he does. Between his less-than-stellar supercross series, and inconsistent outdoor performances, I think he gets raved about a bit too much. He's doing an amazing job, is on the best bike in the class, and is with a trainer that trained the GOAT, Stewart, and RV to championships. He's got all the pieces to the puzzle, so I'd expect nothing short of pure non-stop dominance if he's going to get raved about all day - not just occasional dominance every race or two. But thats just MHO. Smile
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7/11/2012 6:43pm
I honestly think that Tomac will catch up to him on the 450s and possibly be better.
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For some reason I see Tomac being the next big thing. He seems real level headed, smart and not wreckless
7/11/2012 8:02pm
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For some reason I see Tomac being the next big thing. He seems real level headed, smart and not wreckless
They are the exact same reasons I see Baggett being the next big thing
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7/11/2012 8:06pm
Hando wrote:
For some reason I see Tomac being the next big thing. He seems real level headed, smart and not wreckless
motokiwi wrote:
They are the exact same reasons I see Baggett being the next big thing
Yup..I agree with you too.

I cant wait for these guys to move up lolol
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7/11/2012 8:07pm
Not since Budds and Red Bud. He's got 30 lbs. on the Geico guys and considering the deep dirt and hills at both tracks, he was at an advantage. He wasn't gone at 15 min., he was in 2nd! He got worked at Freestone and High Point, hard pact and flat. Steel City, Dilla, Southwick, Elsinore will be different stories. This weekend, who knows.
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7/11/2012 8:31pm
Hando wrote:
For some reason I see Tomac being the next big thing. He seems real level headed, smart and not wreckless
motokiwi wrote:
They are the exact same reasons I see Baggett being the next big thing
Hando wrote:
Yup..I agree with you too.

I cant wait for these guys to move up lolol
Tomac reminds me of Stanton.
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7/11/2012 8:38pm
barrs211 wrote:
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well, i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and...
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well,
i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and would go on to win this championship by a healthy lead. He is one consistent mo fo when he's on his a game (which is 95% of the time)
loftyair wrote:
Baggett spanked Wilson most the time.
Rewindcaz wrote:
Where was Bagget during the 250 Outdoors last year? Oh yeah -- thats right -- behind Wilson who, was collecting points, cashing checks, and busy becoming...
Where was Bagget during the 250 Outdoors last year? Oh yeah -- thats right -- behind Wilson who, was collecting points, cashing checks, and busy becoming the '11 National Champion.

I don't quite understand the rave that Bagget gets. He has yet to really hold onto win streaks and establish himself as a consistent winner. Seems like he's really hot, then he's cold. And for those who keep saying "can only imagine what he'd do with a good start..." he's gotten several good starts. He tends to crash when he does. Between his less-than-stellar supercross series, and inconsistent outdoor performances, I think he gets raved about a bit too much. He's doing an amazing job, is on the best bike in the class, and is with a trainer that trained the GOAT, Stewart, and RV to championships. He's got all the pieces to the puzzle, so I'd expect nothing short of pure non-stop dominance if he's going to get raved about all day - not just occasional dominance every race or two. But thats just MHO. Smile
He has way more wins outdoors than any other lites riders in the last two years.
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7/11/2012 8:45pm
6 of 12 Moto Wins and his only moto finish outside top 3 is a 5th, not too shabby. Plus watching him ride so far this summer he just looks dominating.
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7/11/2012 9:51pm Edited Date/Time 7/11/2012 9:52pm
Am I missing something here? Breaking records? The next big thing? This is the dudes 3rd full year as a pro and he has 0 championships, national or regional. How is he the next big thing or set to break records? RV, RC, and JS all had 4 championships after 3 years as a pro. He's had some really impressive rides, but until he gets consistency and SX figured out, he's the next Alessi at best (not that that's anything to sneeze at).
7/11/2012 9:58pm
Grieby54 wrote:
Am I missing something here? Breaking records? The next big thing? This is the dudes 3rd full year as a pro and he has 0 championships...
Am I missing something here? Breaking records? The next big thing? This is the dudes 3rd full year as a pro and he has 0 championships, national or regional. How is he the next big thing or set to break records? RV, RC, and JS all had 4 championships after 3 years as a pro. He's had some really impressive rides, but until he gets consistency and SX figured out, he's the next Alessi at best (not that that's anything to sneeze at).
Baggett has been somewhat of a late bloomer, but the way he has conducted himself outdoors the last 2 seasons shows the makings of a true champion, thats what all the uproar is about...
No other rider I have ever seen can drop 2 seconds a lap at the 15min mark, optimize new lines and hunt down the leaders quite like Baggett.. Dudes the real deal
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7/11/2012 10:41pm
Grieby54 wrote:
Am I missing something here? Breaking records? The next big thing? This is the dudes 3rd full year as a pro and he has 0 championships...
Am I missing something here? Breaking records? The next big thing? This is the dudes 3rd full year as a pro and he has 0 championships, national or regional. How is he the next big thing or set to break records? RV, RC, and JS all had 4 championships after 3 years as a pro. He's had some really impressive rides, but until he gets consistency and SX figured out, he's the next Alessi at best (not that that's anything to sneeze at).
motokiwi wrote:
Baggett has been somewhat of a late bloomer, but the way he has conducted himself outdoors the last 2 seasons shows the makings of a true...
Baggett has been somewhat of a late bloomer, but the way he has conducted himself outdoors the last 2 seasons shows the makings of a true champion, thats what all the uproar is about...
No other rider I have ever seen can drop 2 seconds a lap at the 15min mark, optimize new lines and hunt down the leaders quite like Baggett.. Dudes the real deal
What he said.
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7/12/2012 12:19am Edited Date/Time 7/12/2012 12:21am
I think Bagget deserves the hype to be honest. Sure.....there are other guys out there that have won the championship and so forth.....and heavy favorites like Tomac ,and Roczen........But bagget has damn near destroyed them every race this year.

The hype he gets is from the sheer speed the little dude carries. Not one other guy ( except Tomac's one great ride a few weeks ago ) has man handled the rest of the pack in the way Bagget has done.

Wilson won on consistency and putting in some wins........Bagget is doing the same thing this year.....but he isn't battling to the flag.....he is destroying these guys right now.

Weather you want to admit it or not.....when it comes to sheer speed on the track and finding new lines.....Bagget is in a class of his own.
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jeffro503 wrote:
I think Bagget deserves the hype to be honest. Sure.....there are other guys out there that have won the championship and so forth.....and heavy favorites like...
I think Bagget deserves the hype to be honest. Sure.....there are other guys out there that have won the championship and so forth.....and heavy favorites like Tomac ,and Roczen........But bagget has damn near destroyed them every race this year.

The hype he gets is from the sheer speed the little dude carries. Not one other guy ( except Tomac's one great ride a few weeks ago ) has man handled the rest of the pack in the way Bagget has done.

Wilson won on consistency and putting in some wins........Bagget is doing the same thing this year.....but he isn't battling to the flag.....he is destroying these guys right now.

Weather you want to admit it or not.....when it comes to sheer speed on the track and finding new lines.....Bagget is in a class of his own.
I agree, but i think the moment roczen gets a good win (comes from 4th to pass those 3, or leads hole race and wins by a good margin) that will be the changing point in the champs i think.
And if that doesnt come, i still think he'l be right there capable of winning the championship going into the last round with his consistency, well i hope anyway!
7/12/2012 6:57am
jeffro503 wrote:
I think Bagget deserves the hype to be honest. Sure.....there are other guys out there that have won the championship and so forth.....and heavy favorites like...
I think Bagget deserves the hype to be honest. Sure.....there are other guys out there that have won the championship and so forth.....and heavy favorites like Tomac ,and Roczen........But bagget has damn near destroyed them every race this year.

The hype he gets is from the sheer speed the little dude carries. Not one other guy ( except Tomac's one great ride a few weeks ago ) has man handled the rest of the pack in the way Bagget has done.

Wilson won on consistency and putting in some wins........Bagget is doing the same thing this year.....but he isn't battling to the flag.....he is destroying these guys right now.

Weather you want to admit it or not.....when it comes to sheer speed on the track and finding new lines.....Bagget is in a class of his own.
barrs211 wrote:
I agree, but i think the moment roczen gets a good win (comes from 4th to pass those 3, or leads hole race and wins by...
I agree, but i think the moment roczen gets a good win (comes from 4th to pass those 3, or leads hole race and wins by a good margin) that will be the changing point in the champs i think.
And if that doesnt come, i still think he'l be right there capable of winning the championship going into the last round with his consistency, well i hope anyway!
i think it's the orange glow from his bike that's making you squint a little.
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7/12/2012 7:03am
jasonv43 wrote:
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark...
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark. Next thing you know he'll be dying his hair red.
I would say that he needs to work on the mental part of his game. When he realizes that "he's the man" he will be winning by 30 seconds or more each moto. That's just MHO. SX might be another story though. I haven't watched him enough to say what I think one way or another.


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7/12/2012 7:20am
jasonv43 wrote:
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark...
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark. Next thing you know he'll be dying his hair red.
P wrote:
I would say that he needs to work on the mental part of his game. When he realizes that "he's the man" he will be winning...
I would say that he needs to work on the mental part of his game. When he realizes that "he's the man" he will be winning by 30 seconds or more each moto. That's just MHO. SX might be another story though. I haven't watched him enough to say what I think one way or another.


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I agree P .

I think Blakes confidence is high....but he hasn't hit his peak yet.....he's still looking. He seems to like coming from 5th-15th or so and move his way up.....I think is what drives him in the race. Just seems that most of his great rides come from the back. When he does get a good start he doesn't ever seem to push to hard for some reason.
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7/12/2012 8:24am
jasonv43 wrote:
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark...
Does he really need to be riding at RV's house in between nationals? Come on dude you're already killing these guys at the 15 minute mark. Next thing you know he'll be dying his hair red.
P wrote:
I would say that he needs to work on the mental part of his game. When he realizes that "he's the man" he will be winning...
I would say that he needs to work on the mental part of his game. When he realizes that "he's the man" he will be winning by 30 seconds or more each moto. That's just MHO. SX might be another story though. I haven't watched him enough to say what I think one way or another.


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I agree P . I think Blakes confidence is high....but he hasn't hit his peak yet.....he's still looking. He seems to like coming from 5th-15th or...
I agree P .

I think Blakes confidence is high....but he hasn't hit his peak yet.....he's still looking. He seems to like coming from 5th-15th or so and move his way up.....I think is what drives him in the race. Just seems that most of his great rides come from the back. When he does get a good start he doesn't ever seem to push to hard for some reason.
Agreed.
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7/12/2012 8:41am
hmmm...

ever heard of RC or JS in the little bike class? yes, he could get better...
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7/12/2012 8:53am
Not a chance the kid is 5'-8". I think 5'-6" is pushing it.

I love his style. He just has the ability to turn it up another notch and he knows it. He doesn't worry about where he's at on the track and do stupid stuff early in the race. That said, he does take some huge risks when he's on the charge. That bit him at High Point.

Better starts will reduce the amount of risks he has to take. Plus that's the only way he'll ever stand a chance in SX.
7/12/2012 8:54am
barrs211 wrote:
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well, i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and...
I like baggett but in my opinion, if wilson hadn't got hurt at all.. well,
i think wilson would be the points leader right now, and would go on to win this championship by a healthy lead. He is one consistent mo fo when he's on his a game (which is 95% of the time)
loftyair wrote:
Baggett spanked Wilson most the time.
Rewindcaz wrote:
Where was Bagget during the 250 Outdoors last year? Oh yeah -- thats right -- behind Wilson who, was collecting points, cashing checks, and busy becoming...
Where was Bagget during the 250 Outdoors last year? Oh yeah -- thats right -- behind Wilson who, was collecting points, cashing checks, and busy becoming the '11 National Champion.

I don't quite understand the rave that Bagget gets. He has yet to really hold onto win streaks and establish himself as a consistent winner. Seems like he's really hot, then he's cold. And for those who keep saying "can only imagine what he'd do with a good start..." he's gotten several good starts. He tends to crash when he does. Between his less-than-stellar supercross series, and inconsistent outdoor performances, I think he gets raved about a bit too much. He's doing an amazing job, is on the best bike in the class, and is with a trainer that trained the GOAT, Stewart, and RV to championships. He's got all the pieces to the puzzle, so I'd expect nothing short of pure non-stop dominance if he's going to get raved about all day - not just occasional dominance every race or two. But thats just MHO. Smile
I think people are impressed by how he has taken a class that is absolutely STACKED and grabbed it by the balls. The fact that at the end of motos he will go 2 to 3 seconds a lap faster than everyone is pretty insane.
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7/12/2012 9:04am Edited Date/Time 7/12/2012 1:04pm
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oh boy...

when he dominates for 3 years straight, then we can talk about it.

i'm not saying he won't win some championships... but get real. next RV?

that's as dumb as saying "RD/RV are the next RC omgz"
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7/12/2012 9:17am
I"m terrible at keeping up with all the amateur stuff but who was his biggest rival in amateurs?

And second, I know this is looking ahead but look at how much more stacked the 450's are going to get when you have Baggett, Barcia, Tomac, Wilson racing against RD, RV, JS, and others.
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7/12/2012 10:54am
Dunno about being the next RC, but like have been stated already, his speed is amazing, reminds me of Stewart pre 2005. He even makes former GP-champs look rather silly, which is a bit disturbing for a Euro "fighting" for equality between the series...Blush
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7/12/2012 11:02am Edited Date/Time 7/12/2012 11:02am
SlowMoFo wrote:
I honestly think that Tomac will catch up to him on the 450s and possibly be better.
Agreed he's bigger and his style suits the 450 especially indoors. bagget was way faster than Wilson last yr, Wilson was just consistent. I think Wilson would be around 3rd in points right now

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