The crowd at Budds Creek looks small

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7/14/2008 9:31am
nc_mx_kid wrote:
JLaw wasn't racing so most fans didn't feel the need to come watch, let JLaw Ride.......
There is probley some truth to that. being a east nat.
7/14/2008 9:37am
I've seen Barry Carsten at some NJ races, it was awesome to watch him at a national. I've heard he's a really nice guy too.

Speaking of older guys, Grandpa Villopoto on Saturday night at the SX was cool also.
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7/14/2008 10:21am
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on the video?
on the video?
Glen Helen was down, Hangtown was down, not sure on Freestone but Mt Morris looked down in pics too, I think people seem to be forgetting that there is a recession going on and the costs of fuel are no help, hello recession, people are losing their jobs, means no money to spend on their Hobbies, MX Is a hobby sport, money get's tight you guys don't race, practice or go to the races.

Everything is down, races around CA are way down.

S
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7/14/2008 10:39am
I didn't go this year.
Mostly because I'm currently moving and all.
But I prob would have been there if Jason was racing.....

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Fuel prices are driving fans away, teams want out, the events are boring...

It looks like His Majesty "BET ON THE WRONG HORSE."

Smile

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Racetime wrote:
Fuel prices are driving fans away, teams want out, the events are boring...

It looks like His Majesty "BET ON THE WRONG HORSE."

Smile

Dude when are you going to just go away? You keep spewing this shit all over the place no body wants to hear it.


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.......
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7/14/2008 1:59pm Edited Date/Time 7/14/2008 1:59pm
Here's some factors in the turnout:

1. gas prices/recession

2. No RC

3. Obvious Stewart win (see no. 2)

4. THE DATE CHANGE!- I heard from somebody in the local industry that a bunch of people showed up on Father's Day at Budds! Have no idea if this is true, but it has been held on Father's Day since 1989.
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The fields where I park were noticeably emptier than year's past. It was still pretty crowded though. Perfect weather... Stewart and Villy just have the raw...
The fields where I park were noticeably emptier than year's past.
It was still pretty crowded though. Perfect weather...

Stewart and Villy just have the raw speed and consistency that nobody else has right now.
Ferry hunted Short down from quite a distance in the second moto and finally passed him. They say Short is in shape, but Timmy reeled him in.
Izzi looked so strong while leading first Lites moto but faded like a cheap pair of jeans. But he had some fast, fast company. First lap of Lites moto one was awesome.
Dungey always looks like he's trying the hardest but can't catch Villy!
And Cody Cooper clearly looks like at home now at the front of the pack. He passed Millsaps which was pretty cool.
Good to see Ferry run strong.

Budds seems to be a really good track for him.
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The sport is going through some flux as everybody tries to figure out a better business model. I was amazed at how easily I moved through the Anaheim pits this year. The attendance, or at least the attendance by fans that want to see the pits, is really down. That's a bad sign. Glen Helen didn't feel nearly as packed this year either.

I'm going to the Moto GP this week and I am really curious there. They seemed down a bit last year as well.

7/14/2008 2:22pm Edited Date/Time 7/14/2008 2:24pm
Glen Helen was down, Hangtown was down, not sure on Freestone but Mt Morris looked down in pics too, I think people seem to be forgetting...
Glen Helen was down, Hangtown was down, not sure on Freestone but Mt Morris looked down in pics too, I think people seem to be forgetting that there is a recession going on and the costs of fuel are no help, hello recession, people are losing their jobs, means no money to spend on their Hobbies, MX Is a hobby sport, money get's tight you guys don't race, practice or go to the races.

Everything is down, races around CA are way down.

S
a friend told me Freestone was down, but i figure even if gas etc hadnt gone up it would have still gone down anyway as most folks feel that track is not spectator friendly....
7/14/2008 2:25pm
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No, you put a picture of yourself so people know who they're talking to. Just like my avatar.
jtomasik wrote:
Laughing


You should sue McDonalds.
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I've seen Barry Carsten at some NJ races, it was awesome to watch him at a national. I've heard he's a really nice guy too. Speaking...
I've seen Barry Carsten at some NJ races, it was awesome to watch him at a national. I've heard he's a really nice guy too.

Speaking of older guys, Grandpa Villopoto on Saturday night at the SX was cool also.
Carsten is "good people"

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Carsten Rocks!

I just hate it when he shows up at my home track and makes me look stupid. Damion Plotts too.

Its ok though I already knew I wasn't that good.

I try though.
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I asked this same question to one of the track managers, and he said while he hadn't seen the final numbers, his visual estimate was that attendance was good. I told him it appeared low and he brought up a couple good points in his guess.
1. Compared to the standing room only of the MXoN, any crowd is going to look less.
2. The shaded hillside to the left of the start was reserved for VIP's at the MXoN. It was open to all at the National. He pointed to the packed hillside and said "try to picture all those people moved over there".
3. JB cleared a large area (I'm guessing 20+ acres) for the MXoN and 10 to 15 more since. There's a lot more parking and camping space available inside the park. The cars and campers missing from the surrounding farmer's fields are now inside.
4. TV coverage was the last moto of the day. All but a few hardcore fans left the fence lines for some shade after 5+ hrs in the beating sun and draining humidity. There's also the "beat the rush" crowd that began to trickle out after JS grabbed the lead and pulled another disappearing act. Too Bad...the Red Dog/Short and especially the Byrne/Copper battles were some great racing. Millsaps added some early excitement until a crash took him out of the mix.
Considering the current economic mood, and high gas prices, I'd say attendance was as good or better than could be expected. Outdoor MX is alive and well in Southern Maryland. We now return you to the regularly scheduled personal spin agendas.
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7/15/2008 9:44am
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I asked this same question to one of the track managers, and he said while he hadn't seen the final numbers, his visual estimate was that...
I asked this same question to one of the track managers, and he said while he hadn't seen the final numbers, his visual estimate was that attendance was good. I told him it appeared low and he brought up a couple good points in his guess.
1. Compared to the standing room only of the MXoN, any crowd is going to look less.
2. The shaded hillside to the left of the start was reserved for VIP's at the MXoN. It was open to all at the National. He pointed to the packed hillside and said "try to picture all those people moved over there".
3. JB cleared a large area (I'm guessing 20+ acres) for the MXoN and 10 to 15 more since. There's a lot more parking and camping space available inside the park. The cars and campers missing from the surrounding farmer's fields are now inside.
4. TV coverage was the last moto of the day. All but a few hardcore fans left the fence lines for some shade after 5+ hrs in the beating sun and draining humidity. There's also the "beat the rush" crowd that began to trickle out after JS grabbed the lead and pulled another disappearing act. Too Bad...the Red Dog/Short and especially the Byrne/Copper battles were some great racing. Millsaps added some early excitement until a crash took him out of the mix.
Considering the current economic mood, and high gas prices, I'd say attendance was as good or better than could be expected. Outdoor MX is alive and well in Southern Maryland. We now return you to the regularly scheduled personal spin agendas.
I've been going to the Budds Creek National every year since 1989.
Trust me, attendence was down this year - not by a whole lot, but it was down from other years.
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7/15/2008 9:51am
High Point turn-out looked a little low too. Adding to Moto East Mag's post:

5. Bring back the qualifying races! At High Point after Sunday's timed practice there was one 4 lap consi race for the 450's and that was over by 10:45 a.m. From that time till the opening ceremonies started at 12:30 we sat there while some bad cover band played on a make up stage. The good old days had qualifiers all the way up to the first moto. Bring back the racing, screw the timed qualifying and leave the rock stars at home.
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I asked this same question to one of the track managers, and he said while he hadn't seen the final numbers, his visual estimate was that...
I asked this same question to one of the track managers, and he said while he hadn't seen the final numbers, his visual estimate was that attendance was good. I told him it appeared low and he brought up a couple good points in his guess.
1. Compared to the standing room only of the MXoN, any crowd is going to look less.
2. The shaded hillside to the left of the start was reserved for VIP's at the MXoN. It was open to all at the National. He pointed to the packed hillside and said "try to picture all those people moved over there".
3. JB cleared a large area (I'm guessing 20+ acres) for the MXoN and 10 to 15 more since. There's a lot more parking and camping space available inside the park. The cars and campers missing from the surrounding farmer's fields are now inside.
4. TV coverage was the last moto of the day. All but a few hardcore fans left the fence lines for some shade after 5+ hrs in the beating sun and draining humidity. There's also the "beat the rush" crowd that began to trickle out after JS grabbed the lead and pulled another disappearing act. Too Bad...the Red Dog/Short and especially the Byrne/Copper battles were some great racing. Millsaps added some early excitement until a crash took him out of the mix.
Considering the current economic mood, and high gas prices, I'd say attendance was as good or better than could be expected. Outdoor MX is alive and well in Southern Maryland. We now return you to the regularly scheduled personal spin agendas.
You just put a spin on why it looked like less people.

No promoter wants to admit attendance is down.

Why is so hard to admit attendance was down? Are track owners really afraid of losing their race?

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7/15/2008 9:59am
If it's fuel prices and the economy driving the numbers down then it really doesn't matter who is the promoter now does it? In fact a live TV contract could cause even more folks to stay home. TFS your DC bashing is cute but I notice you won't say one word about the real boss over there. Perhaps you hope to get back in the door someday and wouldn't want to piss that person off eh?
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7/15/2008 10:07am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:38pm
Trip wrote:
You just put a spin on why it looked like less people. No promoter wants to admit attendance is down. Why is so hard to admit...
You just put a spin on why it looked like less people.

No promoter wants to admit attendance is down.

Why is so hard to admit attendance was down? Are track owners really afraid of losing their race?

It's a catch 22, you can't be boasting too much about numbers, the whole IRS cash business deal, then you have sponsors who pay you money for a series/event, they want high numbers or it's not worth the money. Then you have the "Boasting/ego" factor of telling people oh yeah I had 25,000 people at my event.

We already know that the AMA/Whitelock specifically has been pumping up the National numbers for years, can't sell sponsorships to car manufacturers with weak numbers and not really have a good TV package to boot.

No matter what people say or think, the numbers have to be down this year, just for the economy and gas prices alone. I live in Orange County, I use to go to LA once a week to hang with friends etc, not anymore, it’s just too expensive to be frivolous with gas prices.

S
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Supercross #s were high.... just sayin.
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I specifically did not go for 3 reasons

1) Lack of competition

2) waited to late to book a room and their was nothing available close.

3) High gas prices
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It's a catch 22, you can't be boasting too much about numbers, the whole IRS cash business deal, then you have sponsors who pay you money...
It's a catch 22, you can't be boasting too much about numbers, the whole IRS cash business deal, then you have sponsors who pay you money for a series/event, they want high numbers or it's not worth the money. Then you have the "Boasting/ego" factor of telling people oh yeah I had 25,000 people at my event.

We already know that the AMA/Whitelock specifically has been pumping up the National numbers for years, can't sell sponsorships to car manufacturers with weak numbers and not really have a good TV package to boot.

No matter what people say or think, the numbers have to be down this year, just for the economy and gas prices alone. I live in Orange County, I use to go to LA once a week to hang with friends etc, not anymore, it’s just too expensive to be frivolous with gas prices.

S
I see your point. Here's a long read on what happend to me over the weekend at Milestone.. i finally had to say it's just not worth it. ...

Ok call me a biotch if you want, but here's what happened.

I've raced the first two rounds of the Lucky 7 series. First time back to Milestone was for round one. Had to re-new the membership. So I am in the little shack type room with my two kids. I get told it's 35 and then an extra ten bucks for the gate fee for the race. Ok, seems pretty normal, we got there at 3 the first race, cause I had to fix both the 50 and the 110. Practice starts at 7. Just so were clear, I paid 45 bucks to get the membership and 10 buck gate fee. Wife and kids were no charge. From what I was told if we were there before 5 just the racer paid the gate fee.

Round two, pretty much the same thing. Ten bucks at the gate for me, my wife and kids were no charge, cause again we were there well before 5.
Race fee ended 70 bucks for two classes, both races, when the web site for Podium says second class is 25 bucks. So on the web site, it's 40 for the first class and 25 for the second. Whatever it's five bucks, just a crappy thing to do, web site says one thing and when your there it's different.

That brings us to today. Round three, Get there at 4, cause I have more flat tires to change. Get to the gate, let her know what I'm there for. She says ok it's 20 bucks. So I just question it, and let her know we've been to the last two rounds and it was only ten. She's having none of it and tells me it's always been 10 per person no matter what time you get there. If your racing, everyone with you pays ten bucks. She then notices my two kids and says it's 40. I try to explain myself, again. Told her I didn't bring that much money, cause the last two races, it was just 10 to get in.

Now she is arguing with me about how I didn't pay just the ten bucks, I paid 40, cause all the 4 girls who work the booth knows the rules. So obviously I'm getting nowhere. So I ask to talk the manager. What a mistake that turned out to be. I now have a line of trucks in back of me, so I tell her, I'll just pull over to the side and wait for the manager. She says the people in back can wait. Ok, so I stay put.
In talking with the manager, I get nowhere with him either. I tried to explain to him what's happened the last two races at the gate. He said the girls made a mistake. I tell him I called today and asked if it was after 4 or 5 they start charging for all spectators. I thought it was four, my wife said 5, so I called and was told it was 5.

I tell him I don't have enough money to pay for racing two classes and the forty dollar gate fee. He didn't seem to care, and said Heather (from Podium)doesn't pay Milestone anything, that all their money from the race comes from just the gate fee. Seems to me Podium should be paying something to the track? I tell him I am here regularly with my big bike, so do we really want to be arguing over a gate fee for a pit bike race? Turns out I guess we did.

Now I want my membership money back. A little more arguing, and they agree to give me my membership money back. So I am through spending money there.

If you add up what the cost would be to race all seven rounds, it would cost me 770.00 bucks. Maybe Milestone doesn't know how the economy is right now? For that much money, I can get 4 season long passes to Disneyland, with parking. That's not even the cheapest tickets either.

Twenty four total race laps, plus 10 minutes of practice, and it would of cost me 110.00. Some how I can't justify that.

Before I asked for my membership money back, I gave them a situation that I thought I might be in. I asked them if I came at say 9am with my big bike and my pit bikes on the next pit bike race day, how much it would be? I was thinking I could just make a day out of it. Manager told me if we were over at the pit bike race track, and didn't have a bracelet, we would either be charged for them, or be asked to leave the race track area.

Ok, so that's my rant, take it for what it is. It's really not that big of a deal to me. Most my friends who ride, never renewed their memberships there anyway. So I always went alone to practice days.


Plenty of other tracks to play on.
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7/15/2008 10:37am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:38pm
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High Point turn-out looked a little low too. Adding to Moto East Mag's post: 5. Bring back the qualifying races! At High Point after Sunday's timed...
High Point turn-out looked a little low too. Adding to Moto East Mag's post:

5. Bring back the qualifying races! At High Point after Sunday's timed practice there was one 4 lap consi race for the 450's and that was over by 10:45 a.m. From that time till the opening ceremonies started at 12:30 we sat there while some bad cover band played on a make up stage. The good old days had qualifiers all the way up to the first moto. Bring back the racing, screw the timed qualifying and leave the rock stars at home.
I agree. Bring back the qualifiers. Race yourself into the race.


Carsten get 40TH qualifying position, yet finishes 21st in M2. That fastest times are not necessarily the fastest Motocross riders. Granted, there were only about 30 finishers, but still.
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7/15/2008 10:50am
FLvet..

Real boss? Who would that be?

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I'm not sure who is singing this the loudest about the "Wrong Horse" nationals of 2008-the spectators or the teams wasting their time and money... Smile

In this dirty old part of the city
Where the sun refused to shine
People tell me there ain't no use in tryin'

Now my girl you're so young and pretty
And one thing I know is true
You'll be dead before your time is due, I know

Watch my daddy in bed a-dyin'
Watched his hair been turnin' grey
He's been workin' and slavin' his life away
Oh yes I know it

(Yeah!) He's been workin' so hard
(Yeah!) I've been workin' too, baby
(Yeah!) Every night and day
(Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!)

We gotta get out of this place
If it's the last thing we ever do
We gotta get out of this place
'cause girl, there's a better life for me and you

Now my girl you're so young and pretty
And one thing I know is true, yeah
You'll be dead before your time is due, I know it

Watch my daddy in bed a-dyin'
Watched his hair been turnin' grey, yeah
He's been workin' and slavin' his life away
I know he's been workin' so hard

(Yeah!) I've been workin' too, baby
(Yeah!) Every day baby
(Yeah!) Whoa!
(Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!)

We gotta get out of this place
If it's the last thing we ever do
We gotta get out of this place
Girl, there's a better life for me and you
Somewhere baby, somehow I know it

We gotta get out of this place
If it's the last thing we ever do
We gotta get out of this place
Girl, there's a better life for me and you
Believe me baby
I know it baby
You know it too
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Trip, you are not the only one I have heard that similar story from about Milestone. One of the reasons why I won't deal with that track.
I'll take my racing money to Frank and REM.

But logic would tell me attendance will be down a bit at all nationals just because of the economy. People don't have the disposable income they used to have.

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