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5/27/2012 7:29am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
I wouldn't blame Dungey's loss on that. But it ruined what could have been a darn good finish
GuyB wrote:
It's racing. When you say it ruined what could have been a good finish, it comes across as sounding like fan entitlement.
Common GuyB you can't walk the line all the time mate, it is perfectly reasonable to EXPECT to want to see the race come down to a great finish...

It is about the fans and seeing great racing, that's why the sport exists...
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5/27/2012 7:34am
The guys racing for 20th through 40th are faster than the sport has ever seen. So it's not as easy for the leaders to take a slower line and just cruise right by. Those lappers are fucking heroes at any other race in the country.

One solution I have for the lapper problem are radios. Slip is right, the blue flag isn't consistent. If the AMA could tell a guy via radio that the leader is 2 or 3 turns behind him, I think that would really help.
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5/27/2012 7:35am
KMC440 wrote:
Easy fix ... at the 30min mark everyone 11th on back gets tazered. Emig, "There's some SERIOUS battling going on for that coveted 10th place spot...
Easy fix ... at the 30min mark everyone 11th on back gets tazered.

Emig, "There's some SERIOUS battling going on for that coveted 10th place spot ! ! ! "

Weege, "Damn they're dropping fast 25th on back .... shit man that's horrible to watch .... good camera work guys"
Hahaha
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5/27/2012 7:42am
Are you really trying to play that card? I don't have anything against either guy but if your really that convinced dungey should have won why didn't he pass Stewart in the other 29+ minutes of the race?

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ridge wrote:
The guys racing for 20th through 40th are faster than the sport has ever seen. So it's not as easy for the leaders to take a...
The guys racing for 20th through 40th are faster than the sport has ever seen. So it's not as easy for the leaders to take a slower line and just cruise right by. Those lappers are fucking heroes at any other race in the country.

One solution I have for the lapper problem are radios. Slip is right, the blue flag isn't consistent. If the AMA could tell a guy via radio that the leader is 2 or 3 turns behind him, I think that would really help.
In various forms of racing this is a one-way radio. Race directors have it to call out yellows and race lineups during cautions, World of Outlaws and other Sprint Car series' use it, where a two-way radio isn't allowed. The only issue I can see is you'd have to have 80 channels for both classes which would make it a logistical nightmare.
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5/27/2012 7:47am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
I wouldn't blame Dungey's loss on that. But it ruined what could have been a darn good finish
GuyB wrote:
It's racing. When you say it ruined what could have been a good finish, it comes across as sounding like fan entitlement.
Crush wrote:
Common GuyB you can't walk the line all the time mate, it is perfectly reasonable to EXPECT to want to see the race come down to...
Common GuyB you can't walk the line all the time mate, it is perfectly reasonable to EXPECT to want to see the race come down to a great finish...

It is about the fans and seeing great racing, that's why the sport exists...
Sure, everyone hopes for a good finish. But I don't get on here and whine about it because I felt I was deprived of one. Smile

As a photographer, I never want to interfere with the outcome of a race. And I'm sure the guys who are lining up on the gate aren't thinking, "Hmm...whose race can I screw up today?"
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5/27/2012 7:55am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
I wouldn't blame Dungey's loss on that. But it ruined what could have been a darn good finish
GuyB wrote:
It's racing. When you say it ruined what could have been a good finish, it comes across as sounding like fan entitlement.
Crush wrote:
Common GuyB you can't walk the line all the time mate, it is perfectly reasonable to EXPECT to want to see the race come down to...
Common GuyB you can't walk the line all the time mate, it is perfectly reasonable to EXPECT to want to see the race come down to a great finish...

It is about the fans and seeing great racing, that's why the sport exists...
Since when is Motocross a "fan" sport? Motocross is slightly more fan friendly than an Enduro.
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5/27/2012 8:08am
Jt$ wrote:
I apologized to Dungey, I wouldn't want to ever mess up his or anyone's race, but honestly your attitude about it sucks. The most dangerous thing...
I apologized to Dungey, I wouldn't want to ever mess up his or anyone's race, but honestly your attitude about it sucks. The
most dangerous thing a person can do when being lapped is to erratically change his line. Predictability of the lapped rider is always going to benefit both riders' safety and as well as being the most efficient.
Looks like Chad enlisted the help of Vital for part of his continued 7 years of tearing you down. What a dick! It's gonna have to be one hell of a build up, when it comes. Seriously laughed out loud when I read that.

At Hangtown he just found a real shitty spot to catch you guys.
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5/27/2012 8:28am
slipdog wrote:
Just because you can see the battle and the blue flags from your couch, doesn't mean the riders can. Sometimes you get a blue flag and...
Just because you can see the battle and the blue flags from your couch, doesn't mean the riders can. Sometimes you get a blue flag and spend over half a lap waiting for the leader to overtake you. Sometimes you get a blue flag exiting a corner and the leader shoves a wheel in entering the next corner, you couldn't hear him and had no idea he was there.

I can tell you, from a guy who spent many years as a 18-24 place guy, it's not that simple. We care about those 2-3 National points, our sponsors care, our friends/ fans care, what we don't care about is what some jackass like you thinks. You're way out of line talking shit about the 20th place rider like that.

If you're a REAL motocross fan, you should be ashamed of yourself!
Great post.

Just seems some of these internet Jackie's, such as Crush, are actually "never have been"s.

Stewart appears to be much better at getting around riders than Dungey is, and in no way should any rider make it easier for Dungey. Dungey just needs to get a bit more creative in finding new lines just as Stewart does. It is proving to be the difference between first and second.
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5/27/2012 8:47am
You can't blame that on the lapper. Im pretty sure in that turn, the outside was the main racing line the leaders were taking anyways. Dungey saw the rider go to the inside, why would he choose that line.
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5/27/2012 8:57am
HEY CRUSH! Have you ever raced at a level higher than beginner? Things happen really really fast when they are running the speed they are running. By they I am talking about the lappers that you seem to think are so terrible at riding a dirtbike. Imagine being in a heated battle with a rider for a top 20 spot while pounding around a rough ass track in the heat. They are focusing on a million other things and it is never smart to dart acrossed the track to the outside to try and move out of the way. You sound like a freaking moron man. Its racing. They need to deal with the same thing so there is no excuses. This is coming from a DUNGEY fan!
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5/27/2012 9:36am
I see 2 possible solutions to the "lapper problem"

1. Make the tracks longer, and the time on the track shorter until no one can possibly be lapped.

2. Do it the way we have been doing it since the sport began...like JT$ said: "The
most dangerous thing a person can do when being lapped is to erratically change his line. Predictability of the lapped rider is always going to benefit both riders' safety and as well as being the most efficient"
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5/27/2012 9:56am
kongols wrote:
Watching a replay right now and is it just me or is Dungey scrubbing twice as often as Stewart?
yep, start of second moto he uses some body english trying to stick with 7. he looks good though
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5/27/2012 9:58am
I think Dungey makes poor choices when coming up on lappers. I have watched Stewie change his line before a corner when coming up on lappers, Dungey seems to take the racing line, same one the lapper is taking, then wait for an opportunity to pass. Dungey has the speed, he's just too passive.
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5/27/2012 10:06am
Crush wrote:
Does anyone except for the people involved in 19th and 20th care about who swaps that last position... Especially compared to the other 99% of people...
Does anyone except for the people involved in 19th and 20th care about who swaps that last position...

Especially compared to the other 99% of people who would rather see the race just come down to the guys at the front...

Sure once or twice is something but they have been getting worse the last few years, just deliberately not getting out of the way cause "I'm in a race too", a race no-one comparatively cares about
slipdog wrote:
Just because you can see the battle and the blue flags from your couch, doesn't mean the riders can. Sometimes you get a blue flag and...
Just because you can see the battle and the blue flags from your couch, doesn't mean the riders can. Sometimes you get a blue flag and spend over half a lap waiting for the leader to overtake you. Sometimes you get a blue flag exiting a corner and the leader shoves a wheel in entering the next corner, you couldn't hear him and had no idea he was there.

I can tell you, from a guy who spent many years as a 18-24 place guy, it's not that simple. We care about those 2-3 National points, our sponsors care, our friends/ fans care, what we don't care about is what some jackass like you thinks. You're way out of line talking shit about the 20th place rider like that.

If you're a REAL motocross fan, you should be ashamed of yourself!
Slipdog you're facing an uphill battle with crush, he's never been there and never will and until then he'll have his opinion. lappers as in any type of racing sometimes affect the outcome...frikkin deal with it. dungey's never been good about getting around them and js7 isn't dirty about it but he gets them the fuk outta the way, like a champion does
5/27/2012 10:08am
It is what it is..........The leaders have to make smart choices as well as the guys battling 15th on back, but adrenalin is flowing, and its hot, and some are tired......until you have been in there shoes You do not have a solution to this problem, boom.
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5/27/2012 10:25am
Coyote wrote:
Slipdog you're facing an uphill battle with crush, he's never been there and never will and until then he'll have his opinion. lappers as in any...
Slipdog you're facing an uphill battle with crush, he's never been there and never will and until then he'll have his opinion. lappers as in any type of racing sometimes affect the outcome...frikkin deal with it. dungey's never been good about getting around them and js7 isn't dirty about it but he gets them the fuk outta the way, like a champion does
Why ya got to be hatin on the Dunge man.................................
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5/27/2012 10:25am
Have you guys ever been, ahem, a little too aggressive at the go-kart track and had some pimply-faced, teenaged track official with a remote control in his hand suddenly slow your kart dramatically for a few seconds? Not saying that's ever happened to me, but I HAVE seen it happen.

If the local go-kart track is equipped with this technology, maybe we could do it to the bikes on the AMA circuit. As riders are about to become an obstruction to the race leaders (getting lapped), an attentive race official with a conscience and a reasonable head on his shoulders could retard their ignition. Of course, the official would need to make sure he didn't 'zap' somebody's bike on the face of a jump or something, but perhaps it could be done safely and effectively.

Agree with the post above about riders racing for 20th place. That's a national point and place worth racing for, IMO. But with such a technology in place, an official could 'zap' all riders about to be lapped at the same time and for the same amount of time until the leaders pass safely.

Just a thought. Perhaps not the solution, but momma told me never to come to her with a problem unless I was working on a fix.
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5/27/2012 10:28am


It's a very simple fix. The top ten guys run these bad boys bolted on their triple clamps. It will literally scare the fucker right off his bike.
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5/27/2012 10:33am
Clutchy wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/05/27/horn_985040.jpg[/img] It's a very simple fix. The top ten guys run these bad boys bolted on their triple clamps. It will literally scare the fucker right...


It's a very simple fix. The top ten guys run these bad boys bolted on their triple clamps. It will literally scare the fucker right off his bike.
yes!
5/27/2012 10:49am
Ha ha! trainhorns! we do have a solution! Smile
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5/27/2012 10:55am
Its up to the rider behind the lapper to make the pass, those guys are racing for $$$ also.
5/27/2012 10:59am
Negative. The lapper should NOT be required to move over, its good sportsmanship if they do, but it is the FASTER rider's responsibility to find a...
Negative. The lapper should NOT be required to move over, its good sportsmanship if they do, but it is the FASTER rider's responsibility to find a way around. The worst I've ever been hurt was when a lapper tried to "get out of my way" and turned right into my path.
Me too... The only helicopter flight I've ever had was due to a lapper trying to "get out of my way"
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5/27/2012 11:09am
I'm sure all of you guys that are complaining about lappers are just perfect at getting out of the way at your local race. You know, since you all seem to have so much practice at being lapped.
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5/27/2012 3:12pm
I have to think some of these people didn't watch the race. Dungey often stuck himself behind lappers in situations where he was trying not to follow Stewart. I know you can't pass a guy by following him but in this situation you can sure lose a lot of time by not following.
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5/27/2012 3:30pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2012 3:36pm
Bottom line is.....the lappers didn't cause RD to take 2nd......Stewart did. Stewart held his composure and made RD work his ass off while trying to get around. RD had a full 30 + 3 to make it happen and didn't. If he is going to make a pass on Stewart he has to get a little more aggressive from what I see. You know damn well if they swapped places , Stewart would be right there pressuring RD for the win.

One other thing I noticed was that Stewart didn't really care RD was there.....he was just going to keep riding his own race until RD decided to do something......and then come right back after it if he needed to.....and force the pass if needed to!

If both these two guys stay healthy this whole season.......it'll be a great series , because I don't see either one of them giving an inch.

Can you imagine the battles we would have if RV , Reed and canard were out there? It would be incredible.

BTW.....don't dis-credit the lappers! Those 20th-40th place guys are what keep this sport alive weather you believe it or not! I think you would be surprised just " How fast " those dudes are in the back!
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5/27/2012 3:34pm
Lol, Dungey had 30 min and 2 to make a pass, not wait til they got into lappers. Quit making excuses. He should of pulled the trigger earlier.
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5/27/2012 3:39pm
It does make you wonder if the people crying foul ball ever made it out of the beginner class. The last thing you want when blowing by a lapper is for them to freak out and turn into you. I'll take my chances on being held up versus a ride in the meat wagaon.
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5/27/2012 3:46pm
Jt$ wrote:
I apologized to Dungey, I wouldn't want to ever mess up his or anyone's race, but honestly your attitude about it sucks. The most dangerous thing...
I apologized to Dungey, I wouldn't want to ever mess up his or anyone's race, but honestly your attitude about it sucks. The
most dangerous thing a person can do when being lapped is to erratically change his line. Predictability of the lapped rider is always going to benefit both riders' safety and as well as being the most efficient.
JT never explain yourself, love listening to you on Pulp and even private chat - one in Particular is Burners wedding when Reedy was on fire - Bundaberg rum was funny as shit.. It is safe with m, friends with another Aussie there..

Anyway - major crashes have happened from people trying to get out of the way, as you have stated. HOLD your line and they will get around if they are that much quicker they are lapping .... Hell even practicing with Pros at private tracks you hold your line they will bump you or get around you if they want too...

At the speeds everyone is travelling today it takes a milli second for someone to panic and get of our their line, and then the dude is blamed for making the fast dude crash..

Bottom line hold your fucking line..
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5/27/2012 3:46pm


DAMN LAPPERS!!!

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