Michael Leib: Real American Racer

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Edited Date/Time 5/18/2012 10:42am
In reflecting on the events that went down at the Mexican MXGP, I am SO Damn proud of our True American Racer.

The way things have been going these last few years...it's nice to see a young American hang it out there and actually take a stand...& -RACE- when all the spoon-fed "Regulars" were sitting on the sidelines & spewing shit.

His way of doIng things is straight outta the Old West...Doc Holliday kinda stuff.

Bravo, Miguelito!

Bravo!
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5/16/2012 3:37pm
I wish Leib would get a ride here and leave the GP's behind. Seems like a tough kid.
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5/16/2012 4:11pm
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud!

Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated more unity (and effectiveness) than any riders boycott or union ever attempted in the USA. (and we've been hearing of rider unions for how long now?)

I have no ill will toward Leib but to put a Doc Holiday Americana twist on what is essentially a dude crossing the picket line is beyond ridiculous. The other riders stood up to Youthstream. Is that not praise-worthy???

BTW: I notice you did not mention Max Anstie or the Mexican riders that lined up on Saturday. You don't see them as heros, huh? Just Leib.
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mx_563 wrote:
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud! Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated...
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud!

Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated more unity (and effectiveness) than any riders boycott or union ever attempted in the USA. (and we've been hearing of rider unions for how long now?)

I have no ill will toward Leib but to put a Doc Holiday Americana twist on what is essentially a dude crossing the picket line is beyond ridiculous. The other riders stood up to Youthstream. Is that not praise-worthy???

BTW: I notice you did not mention Max Anstie or the Mexican riders that lined up on Saturday. You don't see them as heros, huh? Just Leib.
AMEN Brotha ! Thats exactly what I was thinking ! We cry and complain about A Riders Union to protect riders against situations like that and the riders make a stand for once for their own safety and we look at the 2 that decided not to join in as "heros" Wow

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5/16/2012 4:23pm
It shouldn't be turned into a nationalistic issue because it isn't one. As already stated, Max Anstie is British and he also rode.

Whether sitting out was right or not is debatable. What definitely was unprofessional imo was the reaction of some of the other riders. Giving the cold shoulder is one thing but spitting (I believe this happened once to Max) and flipping people off is another altogether. Just makes the sport look crappy.
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5/16/2012 4:30pm Edited Date/Time 5/16/2012 4:33pm
It shouldn't be turned into a nationalistic issue because it isn't one. As already stated, Max Anstie is British and he also rode. Whether sitting out...
It shouldn't be turned into a nationalistic issue because it isn't one. As already stated, Max Anstie is British and he also rode.

Whether sitting out was right or not is debatable. What definitely was unprofessional imo was the reaction of some of the other riders. Giving the cold shoulder is one thing but spitting (I believe this happened once to Max) and flipping people off is another altogether. Just makes the sport look crappy.
Yeah the way some of the other riders acted towards Leib and Anstie is pretty immature.

Does anyone know how much Desalle makes?
5/16/2012 4:41pm
It shouldn't be turned into a nationalistic issue because it isn't one. As already stated, Max Anstie is British and he also rode. Whether sitting out...
It shouldn't be turned into a nationalistic issue because it isn't one. As already stated, Max Anstie is British and he also rode.

Whether sitting out was right or not is debatable. What definitely was unprofessional imo was the reaction of some of the other riders. Giving the cold shoulder is one thing but spitting (I believe this happened once to Max) and flipping people off is another altogether. Just makes the sport look crappy.
crewshin wrote:
Yeah the way some of the other riders acted towards Leib and Anstie is pretty immature.

Does anyone know how much Desalle makes?
not that it really matters, but it will be a hell of a lot less than RV, JS and RD, yet he has more to loose than Leib but stuck with his fellow riders, knowing that he will not be able to improve his start spot if he did not race,

I have already said that i do not agree with the insult after he was hurt, and definalty not with the spitting on Anstie, but i do think the riders need to stand together or else nothing will change,
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5/16/2012 5:07pm
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not that it really matters, but it will be a hell of a lot less than RV, JS and RD, yet he has more to loose...
not that it really matters, but it will be a hell of a lot less than RV, JS and RD, yet he has more to loose than Leib but stuck with his fellow riders, knowing that he will not be able to improve his start spot if he did not race,

I have already said that i do not agree with the insult after he was hurt, and definalty not with the spitting on Anstie, but i do think the riders need to stand together or else nothing will change,
I wasn't comparing Desalle to RV, JS and RD but either way I don't see it that way at all. I see it more like he is comfortably sitting on enough money to not have to worry about that aspect. Whereas Michael doesn't have the money to dick around like that. Every race that he gets a chance to race, he probably wants to make the most of it. He was given a chance to race with Dixon and wanted that chance.

My point was that Desalle's point of view is VERY different than Leib's.
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5/16/2012 6:50pm Edited Date/Time 5/16/2012 6:50pm
mx_563 wrote:
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud! Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated...
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud!

Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated more unity (and effectiveness) than any riders boycott or union ever attempted in the USA. (and we've been hearing of rider unions for how long now?)

I have no ill will toward Leib but to put a Doc Holiday Americana twist on what is essentially a dude crossing the picket line is beyond ridiculous. The other riders stood up to Youthstream. Is that not praise-worthy???

BTW: I notice you did not mention Max Anstie or the Mexican riders that lined up on Saturday. You don't see them as heros, huh? Just Leib.
honda 59 wrote:
AMEN Brotha ! Thats exactly what I was thinking ! We cry and complain about A Riders Union to protect riders against situations like that and...
AMEN Brotha ! Thats exactly what I was thinking ! We cry and complain about A Riders Union to protect riders against situations like that and the riders make a stand for once for their own safety and we look at the 2 that decided not to join in as "heros" Wow
Funny how you say the other riders took a stand in the name of rider safety but Leib and Anstie were the only to to actually take a sight lap for the qualifier.

For the others to just presume it to be dangerous without actually taking that sight lap makes them look a little silly.
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Who's a fake American racer?
5/16/2012 7:23pm
mx_563 wrote:
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud! Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated...
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud!

Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated more unity (and effectiveness) than any riders boycott or union ever attempted in the USA. (and we've been hearing of rider unions for how long now?)

I have no ill will toward Leib but to put a Doc Holiday Americana twist on what is essentially a dude crossing the picket line is beyond ridiculous. The other riders stood up to Youthstream. Is that not praise-worthy???

BTW: I notice you did not mention Max Anstie or the Mexican riders that lined up on Saturday. You don't see them as heros, huh? Just Leib.
honda 59 wrote:
AMEN Brotha ! Thats exactly what I was thinking ! We cry and complain about A Riders Union to protect riders against situations like that and...
AMEN Brotha ! Thats exactly what I was thinking ! We cry and complain about A Riders Union to protect riders against situations like that and the riders make a stand for once for their own safety and we look at the 2 that decided not to join in as "heros" Wow
swizcore wrote:
Funny how you say the other riders took a stand in the name of rider safety but Leib and Anstie were the only to to actually...
Funny how you say the other riders took a stand in the name of rider safety but Leib and Anstie were the only to to actually take a sight lap for the qualifier.

For the others to just presume it to be dangerous without actually taking that sight lap makes them look a little silly.
I dont agree, after the last practice they would have known if it was to dusty, they walked out on a qualifier, giving the track crews time to sort it for race day,
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5/16/2012 7:26pm
any news on ML making a decision?
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5/16/2012 7:30pm Edited Date/Time 5/16/2012 7:32pm
mx_563 wrote:
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud! Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated...
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud!

Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated more unity (and effectiveness) than any riders boycott or union ever attempted in the USA. (and we've been hearing of rider unions for how long now?)

I have no ill will toward Leib but to put a Doc Holiday Americana twist on what is essentially a dude crossing the picket line is beyond ridiculous. The other riders stood up to Youthstream. Is that not praise-worthy???

BTW: I notice you did not mention Max Anstie or the Mexican riders that lined up on Saturday. You don't see them as heros, huh? Just Leib.
Yep real unity when clapping, spitting and acting like school girls towards Leib and Anstie. Seems to me their anger was misdirected and their immature actions towards those riders overshadowed the point of their boycott. Its been said before, but some riders don't have the luxury to sit out motos.

However, I agree Leib being American has no relevance in this situation.
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5/16/2012 7:30pm
dboivin wrote:
any news on ML making a decision?
About what?
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5/16/2012 10:28pm
I consider myself a Leib fan... BUT... I am a union member.

A real american stands bye his comrades through thick and thin. Leib had nothing to lose,and everything to gain. All of those other riders risked their jobs for HIS safety and their own.

We should be applauding the riders who risked their necks to get a safer work environment for ALL of the riders. THAT would be the american way.
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5/16/2012 10:35pm
I don't know enough about it but if they all united to make a change and only a couple guys went ahead and rode it sounds more opportunistic than anything else.
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dboivin wrote:
any news on ML making a decision?
Highsider wrote:
About what?
riding for dixon or going to hangtown.
5/17/2012 12:12am
crewshin wrote:
Yeah the way some of the other riders acted towards Leib and Anstie is pretty immature.

Does anyone know how much Desalle makes?
Not much at all if he ended up in hospital,how do you think he'd feel if he landed on one of those locals that were not clearing any of the big jumps?? And how about if there wasn't an ambulance to take someone away??

Desalle and a whole lot more riders and teams there stood up for themselves,its their livelyhood at the end of the day,if it was another rider/team member that spat on Anstie that's very unprofessional,I know things got heated at times and 2 guys crossing the picket line would certainly fan the flames

Ironically that optimum gate pick didn't get him a great start anyway and his unfortunate crash was with a local lapper too,but that's another issue I guess,I've been a big fan of the guy since he's been raving the GPs but not of his and Anstie's decisions here,unity is definitely the way to go

I appreciate the support for a pal here but its probably making the situation worse
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5/17/2012 1:18am
mx_563 wrote:
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud! Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated...
I'm sure Jimmy Hoffa would be proud!

Seriously dude, what are you talking about? Taking a stand? That's what the other riders did!!!! And they demonstrated more unity (and effectiveness) than any riders boycott or union ever attempted in the USA. (and we've been hearing of rider unions for how long now?)

I have no ill will toward Leib but to put a Doc Holiday Americana twist on what is essentially a dude crossing the picket line is beyond ridiculous. The other riders stood up to Youthstream. Is that not praise-worthy???

BTW: I notice you did not mention Max Anstie or the Mexican riders that lined up on Saturday. You don't see them as heros, huh? Just Leib.
moto282 wrote:
Yep real unity when clapping, spitting and acting like school girls towards Leib and Anstie. Seems to me their anger was misdirected and their immature actions...
Yep real unity when clapping, spitting and acting like school girls towards Leib and Anstie. Seems to me their anger was misdirected and their immature actions towards those riders overshadowed the point of their boycott. Its been said before, but some riders don't have the luxury to sit out motos.

However, I agree Leib being American has no relevance in this situation.
I agree there is no call for that type of thing toward Leib and Anstie. What Desalle said to Leib was F-ed up too. Nevertheless, making Leib out to be some kind of American hero is a little much.
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5/17/2012 1:45am
TeamGreen wrote:
In reflecting on the events that went down at the Mexican MXGP, I am SO Damn proud of our True American Racer. The way things have...
In reflecting on the events that went down at the Mexican MXGP, I am SO Damn proud of our True American Racer.

The way things have been going these last few years...it's nice to see a young American hang it out there and actually take a stand...& -RACE- when all the spoon-fed "Regulars" were sitting on the sidelines & spewing shit.

His way of doIng things is straight outta the Old West...Doc Holliday kinda stuff.

Bravo, Miguelito!

Bravo!
What exactly did Desalle say to the newly titled American hero?

I liked Matthes podcast from yesterday, but it would have been good to hear the point of view from a dude that chose not to race.
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5/17/2012 1:52am Edited Date/Time 5/17/2012 2:01am
TeamGreen wrote:
In reflecting on the events that went down at the Mexican MXGP, I am SO Damn proud of our True American Racer. The way things have...
In reflecting on the events that went down at the Mexican MXGP, I am SO Damn proud of our True American Racer.

The way things have been going these last few years...it's nice to see a young American hang it out there and actually take a stand...& -RACE- when all the spoon-fed "Regulars" were sitting on the sidelines & spewing shit.

His way of doIng things is straight outta the Old West...Doc Holliday kinda stuff.

Bravo, Miguelito!

Bravo!
burnside wrote:
What exactly did Desalle say to the newly titled American hero? I liked Matthes podcast from yesterday, but it would have been good to hear the...
What exactly did Desalle say to the newly titled American hero?

I liked Matthes podcast from yesterday, but it would have been good to hear the point of view from a dude that chose not to race.
Said Michael got what he deserved after he injured his hand. (edit: I should add allegedly)

Pretty fucking pathetic if true.
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As there is no riders union and it is a non union workplace, everyone is not getting paid the same to do the same job. The other riders should have given them the opportunity to join the strike (which they did) and then respect their decision not to.
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Said Michael got what he deserved after he injured his hand. (edit: I should add allegedly)

Pretty fucking pathetic if true.
Yes. Thats bitchy.

(Presuming this isn't chinese whispers)
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I'm not on either side (although obviously the pack mentality after was not cool)

but just wondering what this place would say if all the riders sat out practice at hangtown cause they thought it was too dangerous but Roczen and Musquin rode 'to get a better gate pick'
5/17/2012 2:45am
jemcee wrote:
I'm not on either side (although obviously the pack mentality after was not cool) but just wondering what this place would say if all the riders...
I'm not on either side (although obviously the pack mentality after was not cool)

but just wondering what this place would say if all the riders sat out practice at hangtown cause they thought it was too dangerous but Roczen and Musquin rode 'to get a better gate pick'
I think you know exactly how that would have gone down.

Or better yet, had it been Christophe Pourcel who was the guy who went against the grain, the members of this forum would literally be setting up an assassination fund on paypal right now.

But because it was Leib, he is a hero. I feel bad for the kid right now because at the moment, I think he was given some bad advice, and now he has to deal with the fallout. In retrospect, I bet he would have done things differently.

Nobody stands to gain more from the riders unity than guys like Michael Lieb. I dont expect any homeschooled MX kids to really understand that. And I know its not easy for any hyper-competitive athlete to not cross the picket line after all the preparation and momentum Leib had after his last race. The kid just didnt see the bigger picture and if you take all things into consideration, its understandable. It was wrong, but it doesnt make Leib a bad person. People make mistakes. His wasnt a lack of good judgement, it was probably just a short-sighted decision.
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5/17/2012 3:04am Edited Date/Time 5/17/2012 3:09am
To be fair Leib found himself in a pretty tricky situation and as a stand in rider he probably didn't feel much of a camaraderie with the other riders.

He had to look out for himself and do what he felt was right at that particular moment in time and his first priority was fulfilling what he felt was a duty to the team. I applaud him for that really.
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jemcee wrote:
I'm not on either side (although obviously the pack mentality after was not cool) but just wondering what this place would say if all the riders...
I'm not on either side (although obviously the pack mentality after was not cool)

but just wondering what this place would say if all the riders sat out practice at hangtown cause they thought it was too dangerous but Roczen and Musquin rode 'to get a better gate pick'
I think you know exactly how that would have gone down. Or better yet, had it been Christophe Pourcel who was the guy who went against...
I think you know exactly how that would have gone down.

Or better yet, had it been Christophe Pourcel who was the guy who went against the grain, the members of this forum would literally be setting up an assassination fund on paypal right now.

But because it was Leib, he is a hero. I feel bad for the kid right now because at the moment, I think he was given some bad advice, and now he has to deal with the fallout. In retrospect, I bet he would have done things differently.

Nobody stands to gain more from the riders unity than guys like Michael Lieb. I dont expect any homeschooled MX kids to really understand that. And I know its not easy for any hyper-competitive athlete to not cross the picket line after all the preparation and momentum Leib had after his last race. The kid just didnt see the bigger picture and if you take all things into consideration, its understandable. It was wrong, but it doesnt make Leib a bad person. People make mistakes. His wasnt a lack of good judgement, it was probably just a short-sighted decision.
It was (and is) an opportunity for the riders to stand together as one in order to effect positive change against a dictatorial regime.

The the teams too. They are the ones largely funding this charade. (Don't think that if the teams had not agreed with the action then they wouldn't have just told their riders to STFU and go race).

I'm really pleased that this protest held together (pretty much). It shows that if they are united, they are strong. He can't ban all of them.

It seems to me that this was not just about dust. This was alluded to in both the Adam Wheeler article and also the Pulp MX podcast.
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5/17/2012 7:56am Edited Date/Time 5/17/2012 7:57am
apperantly it was a whole lot of other things, things that where brought up in Valkenswaard and another GP.

If you have a problem at work and your boss does not listen or communicate all of you stand up and refuse to work to force a solution. This is the same thing, accept the riders pay to enter so they expect things to be safe. At every race!

If Desalle said that to Lieb then it's indeed pathetic, but putting Lieb up on a stand because he went racing while the others did not AND calling him a 'badass' for that is quite childish aswell.

No one has inside info from YS or ALL of the teams, so please, stop your specualtions about what is up because no one realy knows the true story.
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5/17/2012 8:50am Edited Date/Time 5/17/2012 8:51am
CASH476 wrote:
As there is no riders union and it is a non union workplace, everyone is not getting paid the same to do the same job. The...
As there is no riders union and it is a non union workplace, everyone is not getting paid the same to do the same job. The other riders should have given them the opportunity to join the strike (which they did) and then respect their decision not to.
x2. If all of you chest thumping union boys can't understand this statement, I doubt there is a way to explain it for you to understand. You are in a union and your proud, thats fine. These guys aren't, so why should they have to follow the rules of a union they don't belong to? "He crossed a picket line!" No he didn't, he just didn't agree with the opinions of an unorganized group of guys that had a bitch.
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I believe that all of these guys have contracts to race. Aren't unions based on contracts? So then I believe you would understand the fact that breaking a contract is bull shit. Switch and Cash476 have it. X3 to them.

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