Disaster in mexico?

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5/13/2012 9:38am
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loungo does what loungo wants to do if you stand up to him its at your own peril.he has feathered his nest nicely. i signed up...
loungo does what loungo wants to do if you stand up to him its at your own peril.he has feathered his nest nicely.
i signed up to his live tv package on mx life for this year after watching the qualiying races at a mates last year.Then he just drops them so i have paid for something i am not getting , i have motors tv so watch the races on that.i have emailed them expressing my displeasure and guess what NO REPLY he is a robbing fat git and when we go to the british GP if i see him it may end with me being ejected from the track
Barrett57 wrote:
The only way you'll see him at the british GP is if you give away your lifes saving to get into the pits. And dont even...
The only way you'll see him at the british GP is if you give away your lifes saving to get into the pits.

And dont even THINK about taking your own alcohol near the track, he has squads of Gestapo walking around vanquishing all those who have spent hundreds to watch the GP and don't want to pay stupid money for drink that tastes like piss.

I wish the youthstream mafia would piss off and let someone who cares in charge of the GPs.
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5/13/2012 9:39am
Let's tie up a few things...

The rumor of riders being fined for not riding yesterday sounds like it's false.

The event started late on Saturday due to the late arrival of the medical crew, but no bikes went on the track without the medical crew or ambulances on hand.

Apparently the crew was late because of traffic jams created by the dead body. (That's where that one ties in.)

It sounds like they're working their asses off to make it work. Here's hoping things go smoothly down there today.
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5/13/2012 9:43am
Villains, Drug Cartels, Murder, Drama and boycotts.....
Wow the GPs are really getting more entertaining,
DC is going to have to step it up this year.

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5/13/2012 9:45am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 9:46am
zippy895 wrote:
[img]http://www.chron.com/news/article/Official-49-bodies-left-on-Mexico-highway-3555023.php[/img]
According to Jabroni and others this happens all the time in America....

The discovery echoes several other recent cases in which drug gangs have left bodies scattered in public places as warnings to rivals. Thirty-five bodies were left at a freeway overpass in the city of Veracruz in September. Twenty-six were found in November in Guadalajara. So far this month, 23 bodies were found dumped or hanging in the city of Nuevo Laredo and 18 were found along a highway south of Guadalajara.
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5/13/2012 9:45am
You guys are all cracking me up. You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South...
You guys are all cracking me up.

You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South Central right? Where dead bodies turn up all the time and genocide has been an ongoing problem for about oh say 50 years?



It's so funny how we choose to perceive things. You are no more likely to get robbed in Mexico than you are in a lot of places in America or any other country if you're going to the wrong places.

Im sorry that one racer got robbed but I have a good assumption how it may have went down. Racers tend to be pretty naive and often like to have "fun" while out on the road, opening the door for negative shit like getting robbed to go down. Ive seen it happen already twice this year and both times the riders were places they shouldnt have been.
yzmatt wrote:
You, sir, are an idiot. Genocide in LA? Do you even know what genocide is?? Jesus christ, I didn't realize it was possible to be that...
You, sir, are an idiot. Genocide in LA? Do you even know what genocide is?? Jesus christ, I didn't realize it was possible to be that stupid. Yeah, LA is no safer than Mexico, sheesh.

How many times have 10, 20, 30 dismembered bodies been dumped in the streets in LA?? Surely that would be national news...

That literally was the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted anywhere on the internet. Good job.
X2 I dont think I have ever heard of gangs hanging 10 rival gang members off a bridge on the freeway for everyone to see. I think a lot of the people in Mexico would rather deal with LA's gang issues than the cartels, they will go after anyone to keep rivals away from their territories. There is a site that has videos and pictures of all the brutal killings if people think that the cartel problem isn't that big of a deal should check it out and it will be a rude awakening.
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5/13/2012 9:55am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 9:55am
You guys are all cracking me up. You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South...
You guys are all cracking me up.

You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South Central right? Where dead bodies turn up all the time and genocide has been an ongoing problem for about oh say 50 years?



It's so funny how we choose to perceive things. You are no more likely to get robbed in Mexico than you are in a lot of places in America or any other country if you're going to the wrong places.

Im sorry that one racer got robbed but I have a good assumption how it may have went down. Racers tend to be pretty naive and often like to have "fun" while out on the road, opening the door for negative shit like getting robbed to go down. Ive seen it happen already twice this year and both times the riders were places they shouldnt have been.
Genocides a problem in LA for about 50 years?

hahaha Vital can be so hilarious. :D
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5/13/2012 10:06am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 10:09am
You guys are all cracking me up. You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South...
You guys are all cracking me up.

You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South Central right? Where dead bodies turn up all the time and genocide has been an ongoing problem for about oh say 50 years?



It's so funny how we choose to perceive things. You are no more likely to get robbed in Mexico than you are in a lot of places in America or any other country if you're going to the wrong places.

Im sorry that one racer got robbed but I have a good assumption how it may have went down. Racers tend to be pretty naive and often like to have "fun" while out on the road, opening the door for negative shit like getting robbed to go down. Ive seen it happen already twice this year and both times the riders were places they shouldnt have been.
Katoom72 wrote:
Genocides a problem in LA for about 50 years?

hahaha Vital can be so hilarious. :D
Wow... that has to be the most ignorant post ever on vital? if not, damn close.
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Wow... that has to be the most ignorant post ever on vital? if not, damn close.
Do you even know what the word genocide means?
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5/13/2012 10:14am
1st moto is ongoing
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5/13/2012 10:15am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 10:17am
This is the worst tv production of a race I've ever witnessed!

Who ever is in charge of camera positions needs new glasses!
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5/13/2012 10:17am
i've got NO sound !
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5/13/2012 10:18am
http://www.mxplanet.com/index.php?post%2F2012%2F05%2F13%2FGuadalajara-%…

Tout a commencé à une heure du début de la course qualif MX2, quand un groupe d’une vingtaine de pilotes (soit bien plus de la majorité des pilotes pro présents au Mexique) est allé frapper à la porte de la FIM pour demander à annuler la qualif, le temps de travailler sur le circuit afin de le rendre satisfaisant pour dimanche. Remise en cause principale, la poussière jugée dangereuse par les pilotes, car omniprésente sur certaines portions de terrain.

Pour plus de détails sur les faits, on vous invite à aller lire l’article de Pascal Haudiquert sur Moto Verte.

La situation est compliquée ici à Guadalajara, car en réalité bien que tous les pilotes (sauf Leib et Anstie) aient fait front commun, ce qui est une première, ils ne l’ont pas tous fait pour les mêmes raisons. Il ressort souvent, en discutant avec les pilotes, que ces derniers ne se sentent pas en sécurité sur ce terrain (notamment les MX1 qui disent avoir des difficultés à gérer la puissance de leurs 450 sur un terrain qu’ils jugent trop petit), et auraient aimé plus de discussion avant que ne soit décidé de poursuivre le programme habituel, simplement décalé de trente minutes.

D’autres pilotes, quant à eux, n’auraient vu aucun problème à rouler cet après-midi, mais ont décidé de ne pas prendre le départ par solidarité. C’est ainsi qu’en pré-grille MX2, certains pilotes avaient leur moto en pré-parc et avaient tout leur équipement, tandis que d’autres étaient habillés en civil, résolus à ne pas rouler, et à convaincre leurs camarades d’en faire autant.

Les positions sont donc divergentes au sein du paddock, aussi bien chez les pilotes que chez les autres professions. Plus les heures ont passé, et plus la poussière a laissé place dans les discussions à diverses autres revendications de fond (de sécurité et économiques, en majeure partie) qu’évoquent de nombreux pilotes, tandis que d’autres regrettent cette action excessive mais n’ont pas osé s’exprimer en public. Des opinions multiples se constituent dans le paddock.

Ce mouvement n’a pas de meneur officiel mais l’on a senti certains pilotes plus motivés que d’autres à faire entendre leur position à la FIM (lors de l’annonce du maintien de la qualif, ce sont Christophe Pourcel et Davide Guarneri qui ont pris la parole, en expliquant que les pilotes devraient être impliqués dans la prise d’une telle décision).

Notons aussi que ce problème de poussière concerne majoritairement le MX1, pour deux raisons : ils passent après le MX2, offrant moins de possibilité d’arrosage ; et la puissance de leurs motos creuse plus la terre, créant ces gros nuages de poussière.

Du point de vue des instances officielles et des organisateurs, remettre en cause le GP aurait d’énormes conséquences en termes d’image, qui pourraient se traduire par des conséquences économiques. « Et si Monster et Red Bull décidaient d’aller placer leur argent ailleurs » est une phrase qui est souvent revenue. En effet, quelle qu’en soit la raison, l’annulation d’un GP pourrait avoir des effets négatifs sur notre sport. Les organisateurs regrettent également que les pilotes n’aient pas au moins effectué le tour de reconnaissance, afin de voir si oui ou non les conditions du terrain avaient changé depuis leurs revendications. Quitte à ne pas prendre le départ, ils auraient préféré (et auraient jugé cette réaction plus professionnelle) que les pilotes participent au tour de chauffe avant de prendre la décision de ne pas prendre le départ. Il est également regretté que le mouvement initié par les pilotes n’ait pas été plus organisé et concerté.

Au beau milieu de tout cela, Sébastien Tortelli se retrouve mêlé à un sacré conflit. Il ne nie pas les problèmes de poussière, mais il les juge dramatisés. Ceci étant dit, pour avoir discuté avec Seb (avant le début des protestations), la gestion de l’arrosage est effectivement une réelle difficulté ici. Bien qu’en face d’un centre commercial, le terrain ne dispose pas d’arrivée d’eau, l’approvisionnement doit se faire par camions citernes. Des vingtaines de camion ont été commandés chaque jour, mais les sociétés contractées peinent à honorer leur contrat et la sécheresse pire qu’à l’habitude n’arrange rien. Sébastien a déclaré que l’arrosage du circuit a débuté deux semaines avant l’épreuve.

Certains teams privés rient jaune à l’idée de ne pas rouler, compte tenu des efforts lourds qu’ils ont dû fournir pour se rendre ici. Là encore, on constate que les motivations économiques jouent un rôle important dans les prises de position. Les teams usines sont quant à eux plutôt positifs à l’idée des GPs overseas (sous certaines conditions), la conquête de nouveaux marchés pouvant leur être profitable.

Les pilotes et managers qui étaient pour ne pas rouler hier, et qui ont bien voulu s’exprimer sur le sujet, admettent qu’il ne s’agit pas de remettre en cause toute l’organisation du GP, mais quelques points précis qui ont déjà été évoqués lors des trois précédents Grands Prix. Notamment, au-delà de la poussière, le professionnalisme des secouristes (cf GP de Bulgarie et la façon dont a été transporté Valentin Teillet) et des commissaires de piste (cf GP des Pays-Bas et l’altercation entre Evgeny Bobryshev et un commissaire). Mais encore une fois, chacun dans le paddock a ses propres revendications. Ces pilotes souhaitent profiter de cette occasion pour engager une discussion qui, lorsqu’elle a lieu, peut aboutir à des résultats très positifs. La clinique mobile présente sur tous les GPs continentaux en est un bon exemple.

Et la course ? Les organisateurs ont prévu un arrosage massif, et ont travaillé d’arrache-pied sur le terrain toute la nuit, afin d’annihiler la poussière, et ont annoncé que la tenue du GP dépendrait de l’état du terrain au warm-up. Les pilotes ont rédigé une lettre commune détaillant leur position. Quid de l’après-midi ?. Quoi qu’il en soit, les pilotes n’ont à aucun moment exprimé une volonté formelle de ne pas rouler dimanche. Ils souhaitent pour la plupart, sous réserve que le terrain soit plus conforme à leurs souhaits de sécurité, que la course reprenne ses droits. Notons au passage que le règlement n’interdit absolument pas à un pilote absent en qualif de prendre le départ dimanche. Il ne sera donc pas nécessaire de contourner le règlement pour autoriser les pilotes à rouler. Si le GP n’avait pas lieu, la déception serait aussi grande du côté des organisateurs que des pilotes, mais le GP aura bien lieu.



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sound is glitchy and the image is terrible., way to go mx-life!
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5/13/2012 10:19am
The camera work and commentary is awful. They missed the start of the moto and now seem to be having audio problems.

The track does not look so bad so far. The Mexican lappers are already bing passed by lap 4.
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5/13/2012 10:21am
Not bad? did you see the ammount of mud at some spots? They overwatered the track and ruined it.
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5/13/2012 10:24am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 10:26am
Wow... that has to be the most ignorant post ever on vital? if not, damn close.
Katoom72 wrote:
Do you even know what the word genocide means?
My comment/post was meant for tabroni not you.


violent crimes committed against groups with the intent to destroy the existence of the group.
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5/13/2012 10:25am
Anybody have audio?
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5/13/2012 10:26am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 10:29am
Katoom72 wrote:
Not bad? did you see the ammount of mud at some spots? They overwatered the track and ruined it.
With dirt like that it is mud or dust, take your pick. They did over do it in spots however. That guy abandoned his bike stuck in a mud hole.
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5/13/2012 10:26am
Katoom72 wrote:
sound is glitchy and the image is terrible., way to go mx-life!
this whole race sucks!
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5/13/2012 10:27am
The whole thing reminds me of going to some local race and find that the track is crap, the area is a dump, there's an ambulance but no paramedics, there are trees sticking out into the track - and to fix everything, the promoter sends the water truck out to make it so wet that nobody can go fast enough to hurt themselves. Yeah, we line up and race, but after the second moto we load up and make a mental note: Then next time this promoter or this track shows up on a schedule, blow that round off. Of course, that's hard to do when the series promoter is Luongo and the teams have contracts to fulfill.
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5/13/2012 10:28am
Leib was running 6 but got stuck in a rut
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5/13/2012 10:30am
Michael hit a lappet and is at medical unit checking his hand out!
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5/13/2012 10:31am
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Anybody have audio?
Yeah but it sounds like im on shrooms again. Or the commentator is playing super mario bros.
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5/13/2012 10:32am
Wow what a pos track and the local riders look like there novices at best.
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5/13/2012 10:32am
Katoom72 wrote:
Yeah but it sounds like im on shrooms again. Or the commentator is playing super mario bros.
Laughing
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5/13/2012 10:33am
DL wrote:
Michael hit a lappet and is at medical unit checking his hand out!
That's such BS that they are that much off the pace.......sorry to hear man. Hope everything checks out OK
5/13/2012 10:34am
Katoom72 wrote:
Yeah but it sounds like im on shrooms again. Or the commentator is playing super mario bros.
Barrett57 wrote:
Laughing
Laughing ,,I thought that was funny also...
5/13/2012 10:35am
MX 2 , looks like Herlings has them covered so far..

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