who is the favourite in 250 nationals?

Huckster wrote:

actually your last statement is not true.....Ratray moved up and as you know finished 2nd o/a and won multiple races last year.....but whose keeping track of...

actually your last statement is not true.....Ratray moved up and as you know finished 2nd o/a and won multiple races last year.....but whose keeping track of the facts.....

NoGo wrote:

So rattray has left .What is your point ? They didn't beat him either. And with the addition of roczen and bogle doesn't help. Hell they...

So rattray has left .What is your point ? They didn't beat him either. And with the addition of roczen and bogle doesn't help. Hell they still have to finish ahead of Cunningham he was 4th or 5th in championship.

Huckster wrote:

my point is your last statement is not true.....And as one who clearly likes to point out "facts" you should be able to appreciate that......

Huckster wrote:

Marvin Musquin, Red Bull KTM, 6th in Lites West main, 5th in East/West Shootout Racer X: So this is your first Las Vegas East/West Shootout. How...

Marvin Musquin, Red Bull KTM, 6th in Lites West main, 5th in East/West Shootout



Racer X: So this is your first Las Vegas East/West Shootout. How did it treat you?
Marvin Musquin: It was a really tough race. The track was really rough, and it got really dry and hard packed. That was kind of difficult. I rode well during the Shootout with Roczen—he was riding really good. We finished out of the podium, but it was still a really good race, especially after some bad news this morning. I had an X-ray at the Asterisk truck and there is a little crack on my hand—the one that I broke last year at Freestone. I don’t know what I’m going to do for the outdoors. I want to ride, but I also need to get better.


Was that from last weekend?
Yeah, I crashed during the heat race with [Martin] Davalos. I had a small crash, actually, but it hurt my hand. I raced the main event right after. It hurt a little bit, but during the week I couldn’t ride outdoors. I tried to ride and it wasn’t possible. I had an X-ray and it didn’t show anything, so I was kind of surprised this morning when they said it was cracked. That sucks, you know, but I’ll get ready for outdoors.

Huckster wrote:

my point is your last statement is not true.....And as one who clearly likes to point out "facts" you should be able to appreciate that......

NoGo wrote:

That's really all you've got? Because I failed to remember a rider that has only left the class in the past 3 days.

Huckster wrote:

no actually you ignored my previous post......Care to respond to that? Your logic has many holes......

NoGo wrote:

Don't count it as a full season? No I don't because he didn't line up every Moto. Barcias rookie season dungey won the title and barcia...

Don't count it as a full season? No I don't because he didn't line up every Moto.

Barcias rookie season dungey won the title and barcia won an overall. The next season dungey was gone and he still didn't win an overall. Last year dungey pourcel and canard were gone and he didn't win a 250 overall. The only guys who won an overall in 09 -10 that don't have a national title are barcia, tomac, and weimer. Wilson won overalls in 2010 and the following year won the title.

Although he is injured , Wilson is still in the class and his shoulder doesnt seem to hold him to far back. So they still have to deal with last years champ as well as the guy he was battling with on top of another gp champ being added to the class. And you think theyre favorites ?when neither had anything for pc the whole summer. Great sx season but I don't see any indication of things going the same come hangtown. Daytona was the only partial sign we saw of what is to come for outdoors and baggett ran down barcia twice in a shortened main event.

Huckster wrote:

my bad I did not see this..... Last year he was hurt going into the season and he showed he had the speed but he couldn't...

my bad I did not see this.....

Last year he was hurt going into the season and he showed he had the speed but he couldn't put it together for two moto's for whatever reason on the 250F. No denying that. However, based off the speed that he did show, his results on the 450 at years end and his complete dominance of Roczen, Baggett, Bogle and the rest in SX this year, it is not a stretch to consider him amongst the favorites for this years outdoor title. Most would say that he has increased his speed and has become way more consistent. If you do not see that and do not feel that he is a "contender" than your are entitled to your opinion but most would question your judgement.

Baggett didnt line up for the full season because he ate shit and hurt himself....no ones fault other than his. It's his third season this year no matter how you try to twist that....Heck Justin battled through mono and a broken wrist last year. Would you think differently of him if he had chose not to ride outdoors in '11 until he was fully healthy?

Sherwood wrote:

It's not that you point them out it's that you go out of your way to do so. Every other post is about how the Geico...

It's not that you point them out it's that you go out of your way to do so.

Every other post is about how the Geico squad sucks outdoors. It makes you sound like your bitter they won the E and W title.

NoGo wrote:

How am I going out of my way when this whole thread is about 250 outdoor favorites and why they are or are not a favorite...

How am I going out of my way when this whole thread is about 250 outdoor favorites and why they are or are not a favorite.

Youve stretched my words completely. I've never said the geico squad sucks outdoors. I said they haven't performed and that is a reality. Just like how PC hasn't performed indoors this year. Obviously geico doesn't suck outdoors they won the title in '10.

I'm in no way bitter about their regional title sweep nor am I bitter about barcias title last year. He and tomac are both animals indoors. They had the 2012 titles on a stranglehold right from the beginning.

As was proven last year their sx results don't translate to mx. I don't see that changing when none of the competition has left there's only more that have came in( roczen,bogle)

Sherwood wrote:

When you say things like, "but when outdoors come around barcia is everyones bitch" you're going out of your way to talk bad about a rider...

When you say things like, "but when outdoors come around barcia is everyones bitch" you're going out of your way to talk bad about a rider. Any thread that's brought up with Barcia, even if it's SX related you go out of your way to say, "Well he won't do that outdoors."

It would be different if I was the only person that thought you where bitter about Barcia, but about 4 or 5 others have said the same thing.

Franklin Bluth wrote:

What is interesting to read is that when someone points out that Barcia has really not met expectations outdoors on a 250 ... then that person...

What is interesting to read is that when someone points out that Barcia has really not met expectations outdoors on a 250 ... then that person is labeled a hater. Think about this for a sec ... what has Barcia done outdoors on a 250? One cannot take his supercross success and extrapolate that to the outdoors. NoGo is using facts ... I don't think Barcia can be considered a favorite for the title until he proves he can consistently run up front on a 250.

I think Barcia did well on a 450 because there were no expectations. I really think that because he was considered a favorite for the 250 and then failed to meet expectations he put a lot of pressure on himself. If Barcia starts strong I think he will be strong the entire outdoor season. If not, he'll be moved up to the 450.

Barcia reminds me so much of Bradshaw.

My predictions in this order:

1. Deano (if healthy)
2. Roczen
3. Baggett
4. Marvin
5. Tomac

Sherwood wrote:

Again, it's not that he pointed it out once but the fact he even points it out in threads only relating to SX. When you hear...

Again, it's not that he pointed it out once but the fact he even points it out in threads only relating to SX.

When you hear him spew the same crap again and again in any thread that brings up the name Barcia it paints a picture.

Franklin Bluth wrote:

What is interesting to read is that when someone points out that Barcia has really not met expectations outdoors on a 250 ... then that person...

What is interesting to read is that when someone points out that Barcia has really not met expectations outdoors on a 250 ... then that person is labeled a hater. Think about this for a sec ... what has Barcia done outdoors on a 250? One cannot take his supercross success and extrapolate that to the outdoors. NoGo is using facts ... I don't think Barcia can be considered a favorite for the title until he proves he can consistently run up front on a 250.

I think Barcia did well on a 450 because there were no expectations. I really think that because he was considered a favorite for the 250 and then failed to meet expectations he put a lot of pressure on himself. If Barcia starts strong I think he will be strong the entire outdoor season. If not, he'll be moved up to the 450.

Barcia reminds me so much of Bradshaw.

My predictions in this order:

1. Deano (if healthy)
2. Roczen
3. Baggett
4. Marvin
5. Tomac

Sherwood wrote:

Again, it's not that he pointed it out once but the fact he even points it out in threads only relating to SX. When you hear...

Again, it's not that he pointed it out once but the fact he even points it out in threads only relating to SX.

When you hear him spew the same crap again and again in any thread that brings up the name Barcia it paints a picture.

Sherwood wrote:

Again, it's not that he pointed it out once but the fact he even points it out in threads only relating to SX. When you hear...

Again, it's not that he pointed it out once but the fact he even points it out in threads only relating to SX.

When you hear him spew the same crap again and again in any thread that brings up the name Barcia it paints a picture.

NoGo wrote:

I spew facts not slander. Its not like what I'm saying is inaccurate.

Franklin Bluth wrote:

What is interesting to read is that when someone points out that Barcia has really not met expectations outdoors on a 250 ... then that person...

What is interesting to read is that when someone points out that Barcia has really not met expectations outdoors on a 250 ... then that person is labeled a hater. Think about this for a sec ... what has Barcia done outdoors on a 250? One cannot take his supercross success and extrapolate that to the outdoors. NoGo is using facts ... I don't think Barcia can be considered a favorite for the title until he proves he can consistently run up front on a 250.

I think Barcia did well on a 450 because there were no expectations. I really think that because he was considered a favorite for the 250 and then failed to meet expectations he put a lot of pressure on himself. If Barcia starts strong I think he will be strong the entire outdoor season. If not, he'll be moved up to the 450.

Barcia reminds me so much of Bradshaw.

My predictions in this order:

1. Deano (if healthy)
2. Roczen
3. Baggett
4. Marvin
5. Tomac

Sherwood wrote:

Again, it's not that he pointed it out once but the fact he even points it out in threads only relating to SX. When you hear...

Again, it's not that he pointed it out once but the fact he even points it out in threads only relating to SX.

When you hear him spew the same crap again and again in any thread that brings up the name Barcia it paints a picture.

Franklin Bluth wrote:

I understand what you mean. I wasn't speaking to you specifically but generally because there are many posters in this thread that believe Barcia is gonna...

I understand what you mean. I wasn't speaking to you specifically but generally because there are many posters in this thread that believe Barcia is gonna kill it this summer. He may very well do just that. However, I am reserving judgment until I see him in the first couple of rounds.

Last year was really disappointing. I expected him to be up front and he did nothing. He was so far out of the championship chase that he was moved up as a replacement rider for Canard (I believe).

Tomac is the great unknown to me. He is good outdoors and certainly has the fitness ... I just wonder if he has the speed to keep up with the really good guys.

Sherwood wrote:

But you don't need to do it in every thread Barcia's in.
Only reporting certain facts and not others also paint a picture.

Sherwood wrote:

But you don't need to do it in every thread Barcia's in.
Only reporting certain facts and not others also paint a picture.

NoGo wrote:

It really isn't every barcia thread. Just the ones that say that his great sx means hes going to slaughter everyone outdoors. The facts I've put...

It really isn't every barcia thread. Just the ones that say that his great sx means hes going to slaughter everyone outdoors.

The facts I've put out are of his and others 250 outdoors results which is what this whole thread is about.

pilotdude wrote:

Ummm, no. The "facts" you put out there are that he's had 2 meltdowns which have NOTHING with him as a rider and everything to do...

Ummm, no. The "facts" you put out there are that he's had 2 meltdowns which have NOTHING with him as a rider and everything to do with him being young and filled with an overwhelming desire to win.

If DeCoster says supercross isn't that different from motocross, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

pilotdude wrote:

Ummm, no. The "facts" you put out there are that he's had 2 meltdowns which have NOTHING with him as a rider and everything to do...

Ummm, no. The "facts" you put out there are that he's had 2 meltdowns which have NOTHING with him as a rider and everything to do with him being young and filled with an overwhelming desire to win.

If DeCoster says supercross isn't that different from motocross, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

NoGo wrote:

his meltdowns were only brought up because someone was saying how mature he has been this season compared to others.

Sherwood wrote:

I went through all 18 pages of posts you wrote and under the thread No Sx Titles For PC you brought it up that Barcia wouldn't...

I went through all 18 pages of posts you wrote and under the thread No Sx Titles For PC you brought it up that Barcia wouldn't beat them outdoors. 

In the thread Deano Kind of a Baby you wrote, " I like how you call him a cry baby, but when barcia (who cried about a 2nd place and extending his points lead) it's completely okay. Haha what a joke!"

 Again going out of your way

In a thread Barcia Fined 5k you went out of your way to bring up how he won't do anything outdoors.  In that same thread you said, "I'd definetly buy a tshirt with a pic of him crying on it."

In a thread titled lets face it Barcia is the new guy you said ,"He's dominating a regional series.not that spectacular"

And on and on and on. It's 18 pages of you shitting on Barcia... And I didn't even copy all of what you said in those 18 pages about Barcia. It's insane, you say atleast one bad thing about Barcia per page.