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Ocala, FL, USA
Edited Date/Time
4/27/2012 12:09pm
Hey guys.. Im not here to start trouble. I just thought I should express my experience from this year. I was signed up to race several of the East Coast SX races. The first being ATL. Well we showed up ready to roll fresh packed pipe for sound.. After Failing sound 7 times and then 3 times with a brand new pipe we had (all FMF). We finally figured out a way to shut the bike up. (from the help of the mobile fmf rider support rep). For those of you who care, Im sure you can fill in the blanks. FMF knows exactly who I am. I rode under their support for 5 years, and what the rider support rep was asking them had been done multiple times.
ME to FMF Rider Support Rep:
I'm leaving for Daytona this Sunday. Would like exhaust before I leave if possible. If not I'll have to send to a address in Florida.
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This message was forwarded to FMF From THEIR support rep (I removed his name since he was a huge help):
Hey Jeff, Our rider is riding SX on a 10' CRF250. What can we do about getting
him a RCT muffler? Will you get back with him? Also since this is the case
would it be worthwhile just to have the shop make a run of 5 so we had them
on standby for guys like this? If they sat on the shelf after the season we
could sell them at the track prob. Just wondering?
Trackside Support
www.FMFracing.com
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From FMF:
Eric, would need to purchase a 2011 subframe to make the 4.1 RCT muffler work on his bike. Unfortunately Honda changed the muffler mount on the 2011 models from 2010. 2011 subframe works perfect!
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ME to FMF:
I can't afford a new pipe and a subframe. I guess I'll have to find a different company who I can get exhaust from so I can pass sound.... Really sucks. I have been very happy with fmf
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From FMF:
You can run our 94db insert if you need to pass sound. If you are ridding at the supercross level you should think about updating to the better performance and sound 4.1 RCT muffler for the future.
Thanks!
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From ME to FMF:
Yeah that's what we tried. As well as a new pipe. Still didn't pass. I definately want to upgrade. Just money is so tight
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From FMF:
Usually on new pipes its good to run for about 10-15 minutes to break in the muffler packing. You can always try and tape up your airbox? Rags in airbox?
So I guess I should fork out the $600 bucks for a new frame THEN their exhaust, or as FMF suggested: "Tape or Rag the airbox". Remember I was willing to buy the new exhaust...the one they modified to work for the older bike.
ME to FMF Rider Support Rep:
I'm leaving for Daytona this Sunday. Would like exhaust before I leave if possible. If not I'll have to send to a address in Florida.
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This message was forwarded to FMF From THEIR support rep (I removed his name since he was a huge help):
Hey Jeff, Our rider is riding SX on a 10' CRF250. What can we do about getting
him a RCT muffler? Will you get back with him? Also since this is the case
would it be worthwhile just to have the shop make a run of 5 so we had them
on standby for guys like this? If they sat on the shelf after the season we
could sell them at the track prob. Just wondering?
Trackside Support
www.FMFracing.com
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From FMF:
Eric, would need to purchase a 2011 subframe to make the 4.1 RCT muffler work on his bike. Unfortunately Honda changed the muffler mount on the 2011 models from 2010. 2011 subframe works perfect!
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ME to FMF:
I can't afford a new pipe and a subframe. I guess I'll have to find a different company who I can get exhaust from so I can pass sound.... Really sucks. I have been very happy with fmf
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From FMF:
You can run our 94db insert if you need to pass sound. If you are ridding at the supercross level you should think about updating to the better performance and sound 4.1 RCT muffler for the future.
Thanks!
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From ME to FMF:
Yeah that's what we tried. As well as a new pipe. Still didn't pass. I definately want to upgrade. Just money is so tight
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From FMF:
Usually on new pipes its good to run for about 10-15 minutes to break in the muffler packing. You can always try and tape up your airbox? Rags in airbox?
So I guess I should fork out the $600 bucks for a new frame THEN their exhaust, or as FMF suggested: "Tape or Rag the airbox". Remember I was willing to buy the new exhaust...the one they modified to work for the older bike.
What do you possibly hope to gain by racing SX on a 2 yr old bike ? What's a night show pay $200 after a $230 entry fee ?
My point being, He could do better for less at a local race. not bashing anyone.
And the whole stuffing the Air Box with Rags and Taping it is fine until you get tested after the race.
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I do media coaching on the side, I'd be happy to help so you don't stick your foot in your mouth next time.
the country who still have a 2010. FMF is a great company and one I rode for my whole time in
the amateur scene except my last 2 years when I went to White Brothers, It does seem to me a
little crazy that they made this sweet new exhaust for the '11 and '12, but couldnt manufacture one
with the bracket just a little offset, and a different tweak to the midpipe if needed with the subframe.
And 500guy's pretty much right on the Local Level Pro races. I made 3-450$ racing the pro class
out at Boulder City in Nevada, and that was with 4-5 pros at 150% payback.
- Nobody has a system that will pass with modified engine, especially if the rev limiter has been moved up. Cams, porting etc. greatly effect sound.
- The airbox needs to be modified in order to make sound. You can pull out 2 db's.
- Go to sound check and listen to the bigger teams bikes. They all have specific maps for sound test.
- The privateers get production mufflers from PC, FMF etc. The supported teams get much different mufflers because those teams have access to advanced electronics. Just take a look down a PC race bike muffler. it ain't what you buy at the dealer.
- As for your 2010 sub-frame we add a new mount so you can use the the 11-12 hanger position.
What is the difference in the sound testing for indoor SX and outdoor MX? Can they be slightly louder for the outdoors?
Pit Row
I holeshot one moto at Millville back in the 90's on a KX 125 with an FMF exhaust and a cylinder ported by John Lamson. I can't see that even being realistic today on a 250f with $500 worth of mods...LOL!
What's the difference between sound testing for indoor SX and outdoor MX? They actually sound test for indoor SX while outdoor MX has used a "voluntary" sound compliance program for the last few years.
The reality is the sound test folks in SX can now tell just by listening who is trying to skirt the rules when the bikes are out on the track. You may pass 2 M Max in the pits but you'll get flagged if you're playing any games after the bike is on the track.
To me what is funny is since this sport still remains more about the rider than it does the bike, pushing the sound envelope doesn't make that much sense to me.
Feld is a sound testing advocate due to OSHA compliance.
MX Sports doesn't sound test...at least not in 2010 and 2011. The equipment is available at the Nationals for teams who want to test but there isn't a sound check at the Nationals. If you had an outdoor team what would you do under this current set up? Have your bikes pass sound for the sake of being a good guy or have your team bikes be louder since there isn't any sound testing?
BTW I spoke with Mitch Payton year before last at Southwick and he wasn't pleased there isn't any outdoor sound testing to speak of. Mitch said PC puts out considerable resources to make their bikes compliant but he knows there are teams out there who don't comply with sound limits during the Nationals........
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