Front fender Theory

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Edited Date/Time 4/14/2012 4:36pm
Okay, this is more my opinion than a theory, but I'll bet it could be backed up with facts:
Theory is: The fenders of a bike affect it's sales, especially the front. Here's some examples of good and bad fenders (All my opinion):

Best looking fenders -
Honda has always had the best looking fenders. Consequently, they have sold the most bikes and are IMO the best dirt bike manufacturer. 1999 IMO was the last year of the near perfect looking fenders for the CR:


2000-03 were okay, the front fender was a little fat:


2004-09 were so so, a little too much bend in the front fender:


2009-present, not so good. It bends a little early and looks a little odder than the previous:


Kawasaki has the next best looking fenders, with some traditionally bad rear fenders:
Best Kawi front fenders 2003-2008:


Good front, but bad rear fender. It reminds me of those cars that squatted, like those Nissan Altimas, and Infiniti J30s:


88-89 rear fender could be considered to be the ugliest rear fender, second only to Suzukis RMs prior to 89:


Suzuki can be considered some of the worst fenders prior to 89. Both front and rear were absolutely horrid. Consequently, I'm sure their sales reflected it:


The mid 90s weren't too bad, but the rear fender was a little off:


Looked better in 96-00, although the barn door radiator shrouds of 99-00 kind of hindered it:


20001-08 This fender began the bent look and other manufacturers began to follow (for some reason). Doesn't look too bad, but could tilt down in the front more;


2009-present More of the same, but the front fender IMO looks a little too small and straight:


Yamaha has always been middle-of-the-road with fenders, with the worst looking fenders to date IMO are the current ones:
Obviously copying KTM's melted-butter-mashed-in-front look:


2000-08 Best looking Yamaha fenders. Other than the fender needing to come down in the front a little more, these were the best looking fenders for Yamaha:


KTM has been the most confused company in the Big 5, and consequently, their bike sales have suffered (also due to the performance of the bike), with some of the worst looking fenders:
Straight -


To extremely bent -

Present - It's still too bent, while the rear fender is flat and curvy. If they fixed the fenders, it would sell better (again, my opinion). A pretty good improvement over the past efforts though.


The others
TM has the best looking front fender of all the current bikes. It has the best curve and goes down in front just the right amount:


Husqvarna TC449. Simply the worst looking fenders (and plastic). Sales? I'll bet they can't give these things away-


Husky's others need a TM front fender. And why can't they put a full radiator shroud on the thing:


Fantic used to be good:


What the heck happened? The front fender sticks straight out:


Even though it is kind of a silly topic, and we know the manufacturers don't listen to anybody, they would sell more bikes if they looked better. The best looking bike order has traditionally been Honda, Kawai, Yamaha, Suzuki, KTM, and the others. I'm sure the sales figures have followed the same order. . . Just Sayin'
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4/13/2012 10:11am
I guess I'm one consumer that never pays much attention to them, unless they fall off in the mud.
4/13/2012 10:25am
Curious... are the manufacturers going for aesthetics or functionality when designing front and rear fenders... and radiator shrouds for that matter?

I would personally like to think function over form... but that could be way off base...

Appearance surely plays some role in bike sales, but I suspect there's a lot more to it than that based on the individual purchasing the bike.

When I bought my first bike back in '06, I sat on all of the big 5 models... the KX fit me best... wasn't so much about the looks. I'm tall and the KX tends to have a taller stance and a more open cockpit IMO. I will admit I was somewhat biased because I always wanted a KX since the first time I saw Jeff Ward racing the 80's... so I'm sure that played into my choice to some degree...
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4/13/2012 10:35am
Obviously functionality is primary. The '88 RM250 was an awesome bike with probably the best suspension that year, but it's looks were pretty bad compared to the others. It would be interesting to have the sales figures. KTMs are now performing as good almost as good as the Big 4.
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4/13/2012 11:06am
HOF!

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4/13/2012 11:13am
give me a good looking front fender and a nice design gear set and i'm hitting teh supercross series
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4/13/2012 11:17am Edited Date/Time 4/13/2012 11:18am
HAHAHA! I'll admit, work was a little slow today! And GuyB says I don't know anything, yeah right!
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4/13/2012 11:28am
nice work burn.

Great correlation that has some bearing between the rational and emotive thought process. Could affect sales if you're of the mindset that is easily swayed by ad pros.

"An accepted axiom in marketing is that consumers buy on emotion and justify the purchase with rational reasons."
4/13/2012 11:29am
That's three minutes I'll never have back. Sigh....
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4/13/2012 11:31am
you actually read it?
burn1986
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4/13/2012 11:35am
Oh well, what else did we have to do today?! There's nothing going on until the SX tomorrow anyway (which I'm going to).
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4/13/2012 1:04pm
Someone clearly has too much time on their hands. I cant believe someone would waste all that time and energy on such a ridiculous post.Whistling
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4/13/2012 1:14pm
Agreed that he has too much time on his hands but he is 100% on it!
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4/13/2012 1:18pm
BAD10 wrote:
Someone clearly has too much time on their hands. I cant believe someone would waste all that time and energy on such a ridiculous post.Whistling
same could be said for manscaping.
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4/13/2012 1:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2012 1:31pm
BAD10 wrote:
Someone clearly has too much time on their hands. I cant believe someone would waste all that time and energy on such a ridiculous post.Whistling
I'm sure you've heard of styling gel
It's like you didn't know, ah AH!


Some people need help


I'm glad we've all worked through these important issues
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4/13/2012 2:36pm
Ever since the 80s when I hopped off my RM125 and rode my buddies 83 XR 200 with the "high and out" front fender, its been my fender theory that the more the front fender curves down, the better the bike corners. When the front fender is " high and out", it gives the illusion that the front wheel isnt settling in the turns.

All mental I know.



I remember a couple years back we talked about Josh Hills Cycra front fender on his YZ and how it rode high and looked off.
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4/13/2012 5:38pm
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4/13/2012 5:52pm
KTM bike sales have suffered because of their fenders? LOL Truely classic.
4/13/2012 6:38pm
Thats the first thing I look for when buying a new bike. I have made every purchase based on the front fender and a close second is the foot peg springs.
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4/13/2012 7:12pm
I thought everyone knew this. It's also a well known fact that you need to put a vented Cycra Front Fender and
Stadium Plate on all CRFs to get the front end to settle properly in the turns; more so from 09 on.

Another well known fact (or else pure conjecture on my part) is that when KTM puts CRF style front fenders on their bikes and gives the buyer a choice of color other than that of a pumpkin there will be a sea of push button bikes on starting lines everywhere.

What ever happened to the "UpFront" fender or the "DeFender"??

Of course the best fender / number plate combo of all time was the Preston Petty "TonyD" with the swiss cheese
"Holeshot" plate with plastic bolt-on numbers.
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4/13/2012 7:18pm
Lol, you understand that those Honda fenders from 98 to 09 were pretty much the same fender right?
4/13/2012 11:59pm
KTM 450 for me then and a Honda front mudguard-job done Wink
4/14/2012 7:30am
That explains why my friend on a CR always got the hot chicks. Damn you RM fenders!
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4/14/2012 9:28am
I think you wrote an interesting post. Don't pay attention to people who say it is wasted time. The time you spend thinking is rarely wasted time.

Looking back over the years you can see motocross bikes getting more pointy. If you look at the YZ250F of 2010+ you see a very pointy design. The same counts for the new CRF450. I personally think they are becoming more ugly.

The KTMs from 2007 to 2010 are the best looking bikes in my opinion. The CRF from 2009 to 2012 are also great looking, minus the front fender like you said.
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4/14/2012 9:34am
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4/14/2012 10:09am
I like suzukis current fenders shrouds number plates more than any other bike out. And the yamaha's the worst. Or maybe the KTMs. The 08/09 Ktm 450 and 250's looked badass but their new crap looks weak.
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4/14/2012 10:50am
KTM needs better sales OP? They are the best selling brand in the off-road market....
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4/14/2012 12:14pm
A good looking front fender is important to me, I'm always staring at it........
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4/14/2012 1:24pm
I cant believe there is a thread about this.......what a bunch of losers.
Anyways I have had many brands of bikes and always liked the view of the honda fender from the seat.( never ridden new generation honda though)

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