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Now that we have had many years of 4 stroke development, EFI, engine mapping etc is it time to re-address the capacity limits between the 2 engine designs?
Personally I always thought it was crazy to only allow 125cc two strokes
to race against 250cc Four strokes and likewise only allowing 250cc two strokes
to run up against 450cc 4 strokes!
If there was parity between the 2 engine designs I wonder how many pro teams
would swap to two strokes?
Would be great to see 500cc two strokes being developed again and could perhaps be a shot in the arm for the industry, bike designers, after market suppliers etc, that seem's to have stalled out with the higher costs of running 4 strokes.
Personally I always thought it was crazy to only allow 125cc two strokes
to race against 250cc Four strokes and likewise only allowing 250cc two strokes
to run up against 450cc 4 strokes!
If there was parity between the 2 engine designs I wonder how many pro teams
would swap to two strokes?
Would be great to see 500cc two strokes being developed again and could perhaps be a shot in the arm for the industry, bike designers, after market suppliers etc, that seem's to have stalled out with the higher costs of running 4 strokes.
IS it time too re-align the capacity limits of 2 strokes vs 4 strokes?
I've been watching the 2002 supercross season from the videos that TBlazier uploads, and those races are so much more fun to watch then the current ones. Not sure if it's the bikes, tracks, or what...
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the 125 class is an important part of the learning curve for young riders- and great for fans, nobody in their right mind would ride a 125 4 stroke against 125 2 strokes- 250 smoker vs 250 4 banger would be interesting as the adantage would depend on track conditions / rider ability/ preference and could even alter throughout the day in my opinion. Open would still be all 450s (maybe a few big bore 2 strokes but not many at the top level) - ktm's 380 2 stroke was a great engine, i'd like to see a modern version of that.
I fully agree with the displacement 125, 250, Open.
I hope someday we see a positive step in modern MX rules.
Now it would be a lot more level playing field and would certainly spice up the racing again.
When you consider that the Japs haven't developed their 2 strokes in a decade, you would find that they would have NO interest in retooling for production of an all new displacement size that may or may not take off.
Of course, hell yes the capacity limits should be retooled. The obvious direction would just be to allow equal displacement w/ fewer mods allowed on the 2 strokes than the 4s. They could even attempt to limit past championship contenders from running the 2 strokes or some other system. This would put several manufacturers in instant contention w/ their current (and former) 250 2 strokes.
Clearly their plan of telling/selling us what THEY want may not be working for them.
Hmmmm I don't remember reading much about that, surprised it hasn't come up more often here.
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Roger DeCoster says 2 strokes are critical to the sport, he is a pretty smart guy
IMO if this doesn't happen soon, mx will be the way of the Dodo.
I went from buying a bike yearly to buying a new bike every 4 years. And they wonder why bike sales are down.
the 125 and 250 2 strokes are not for me so I ride a yz 144, great bike but a 175? fuck yeah! I'd be into a new one of those
I would seem the 250 4 stroke fills the gap between 125 and 250 2 strokes but no fucking way I'm ever going near one of thoes again for obvious reasons.
I'd like to see 125s for juniors, 175s ( based off the 125) and 350s
The OEMs won't build new 2-strokes until there is enough demand to do it. There won't be demand until you can race one and win. You won't be able to race one and win until the rules are changed, and the rules won't change until there are bikes in production. It's a vicious cycle.
I'd like to see 175cc and 300cc 2-stroke limits for the classes. That would be fair, but let's face it: it's not going to happen.
What did NASCAR do when speeds got too high on their fastest tracks? Restrictor plate racing. (No, I'm not advocating restrictor plates for motocross or Supercross.
What happened with the NHRA when their fuel classes got too speedy for a quarter mile strip? They shortened it.
Safety comes first. I don't think a reset in the speed department would be a bad thing.
the rider should be faster than the bike,
not the bike faster than the rider.
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