You think Malcolm had a concussion ?

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2/26/2012 11:26am
Sherwood wrote:
The old guys like Bob Hannah would've raced after a crash like that and you guys would've praised them for doing so...
I don't care if they do or don't let them race, what I do care about is making a rider like Lieb sit out and not even thinking about making Malcolm sit out after he took a massive hit to the head.

One more thing, just because they did it a certain way back in the day doesn't mean it was the right thing to do forever.
2/26/2012 11:42am
Some of you guys are amazing how you can diagnose a concussion over the TV airwaves.
You really have a future as a soothsayer or medical psychic.
Tell, me what part of my body is injured right now, and what do you advise?
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2/26/2012 12:04pm
500guy wrote:
Doesn't matter the brand, if you have to tow it around in the parking lot to get it started something is not right.
You are 100% correct. So how is it the bikes fault if they failed to fix it the first time it happened?
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2/26/2012 12:08pm
Sherwood wrote:
The old guys like Bob Hannah would've raced after a crash like that and you guys would've praised them for doing so...
500guy wrote:
I don't care if they do or don't let them race, what I do care about is making a rider like Lieb sit out and not...
I don't care if they do or don't let them race, what I do care about is making a rider like Lieb sit out and not even thinking about making Malcolm sit out after he took a massive hit to the head.

One more thing, just because they did it a certain way back in the day doesn't mean it was the right thing to do forever.
I'm assuming Lieb willingly went to the medical crew?

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2/26/2012 12:09pm
When they said he was not checked out by the AMUnit that got me to wondering (Check out GuyB's report on the technology AMU has this year to test a rider for a concussion). If he did ring his bell - which is likely - his bike probably did him a favor last night.

Anytime this topic comes up, it's apparent many people have not even lightly educated themselves on the topic. Anybody who plays sports where a concussion is possible, or have children who ride or race, should at least take 20 minutes out of their lives and educate themselves on the subject.

Here's a little blog I wrote last year on the subject if anybody wants to check it out. http://www.vitalmx.com/community/Hank-Thrill,12208/blog/03/15/2011/entry/3267
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2/26/2012 12:15pm
Sherwood wrote:
The old guys like Bob Hannah would've raced after a crash like that and you guys would've praised them for doing so...
500guy wrote:
I don't care if they do or don't let them race, what I do care about is making a rider like Lieb sit out and not...
I don't care if they do or don't let them race, what I do care about is making a rider like Lieb sit out and not even thinking about making Malcolm sit out after he took a massive hit to the head.

One more thing, just because they did it a certain way back in the day doesn't mean it was the right thing to do forever.
Sherwood wrote:
I'm assuming Lieb willingly went to the medical crew?
If there is a concussion rule why would a rider have the choice to be checked out or not ? Don already noted in this tread, next time don't let them check you out.

is that what the intention is or is safety the intention ?
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2/26/2012 12:29pm
500guy wrote:
I don't care if they do or don't let them race, what I do care about is making a rider like Lieb sit out and not...
I don't care if they do or don't let them race, what I do care about is making a rider like Lieb sit out and not even thinking about making Malcolm sit out after he took a massive hit to the head.

One more thing, just because they did it a certain way back in the day doesn't mean it was the right thing to do forever.
Sherwood wrote:
I'm assuming Lieb willingly went to the medical crew?
500guy wrote:
If there is a concussion rule why would a rider have the choice to be checked out or not ? Don already noted in this tread...
If there is a concussion rule why would a rider have the choice to be checked out or not ? Don already noted in this tread, next time don't let them check you out.

is that what the intention is or is safety the intention ?
Unless it's new, as in changed from last year your not required to visit the medical unit and even if you did they couldn't force you to not ride only make the suggestion. (like when Hansen went over the bars last year)

Thing is safety isn't rewarded in this sport so if you do decide to get checked out you need to understand you might not get the answer you want.
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2/26/2012 12:37pm
500guy wrote:
He landed right on his head and neck and looked to be out for a few seconds. I thought they made you sit out if this...
He landed right on his head and neck and looked to be out for a few seconds.

I thought they made you sit out if this happens ? also that bike is a POS , wtf pulling it around trying to start it.

it's a death trap suicide rap.
Yes, he had some degree of a concussion. The grade cannot be determined from the video, despite what all the morons on here are saying. It would require more history from him, and to have been at his side to examine him just after the wad.

If he was unconscious when he was still just after the crash, then he absolutely should be examined, and should not have ridden the LCQ/main. IMO, anyone taking a hit like that on the head should be required to be seen by the medical crew.

If he was just taking a little rest while lying there in the middle of that section.........
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2/26/2012 1:00pm
Sherwood wrote:
I'm assuming Lieb willingly went to the medical crew?
500guy wrote:
If there is a concussion rule why would a rider have the choice to be checked out or not ? Don already noted in this tread...
If there is a concussion rule why would a rider have the choice to be checked out or not ? Don already noted in this tread, next time don't let them check you out.

is that what the intention is or is safety the intention ?
Sherwood wrote:
Unless it's new, as in changed from last year your not required to visit the medical unit and even if you did they couldn't force you...
Unless it's new, as in changed from last year your not required to visit the medical unit and even if you did they couldn't force you to not ride only make the suggestion. (like when Hansen went over the bars last year)

Thing is safety isn't rewarded in this sport so if you do decide to get checked out you need to understand you might not get the answer you want.
Must be new. My son Michael crashed in San Diego 2 weeks ago in free practice and crawled off the track. He did take a hit but had 100% recall immediately following the crash. Asterisk would not let him ride. Frankly I was fine with it but it makes me wonder about Brayton that day who I heard first hand did not know where he was after the crash. Malcolm's crash looked nasty and I was very surprised they let him ride. I'd bet that if he had not walked back on his own and or gone to the Asterisk medical unit that big James would have given him a longer time out.
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2/26/2012 1:16pm
I was glad when that bike didn't fire for the LCQ. He didn't need to get back on it and make it worse.
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2/26/2012 1:16pm
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too?

Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if he was even k.o'd?
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2/26/2012 1:20pm
tobz wrote:
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too? Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if...
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too?

Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if he was even k.o'd?
No, I'm saying he didn't even get checked out, How would anyone know ? Yet other riders get checked out and told to sit out.
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2/26/2012 1:39pm
500guy wrote:
If there is a concussion rule why would a rider have the choice to be checked out or not ? Don already noted in this tread...
If there is a concussion rule why would a rider have the choice to be checked out or not ? Don already noted in this tread, next time don't let them check you out.

is that what the intention is or is safety the intention ?
Sherwood wrote:
Unless it's new, as in changed from last year your not required to visit the medical unit and even if you did they couldn't force you...
Unless it's new, as in changed from last year your not required to visit the medical unit and even if you did they couldn't force you to not ride only make the suggestion. (like when Hansen went over the bars last year)

Thing is safety isn't rewarded in this sport so if you do decide to get checked out you need to understand you might not get the answer you want.
DL wrote:
Must be new. My son Michael crashed in San Diego 2 weeks ago in free practice and crawled off the track. He did take a hit...
Must be new. My son Michael crashed in San Diego 2 weeks ago in free practice and crawled off the track. He did take a hit but had 100% recall immediately following the crash. Asterisk would not let him ride. Frankly I was fine with it but it makes me wonder about Brayton that day who I heard first hand did not know where he was after the crash. Malcolm's crash looked nasty and I was very surprised they let him ride. I'd bet that if he had not walked back on his own and or gone to the Asterisk medical unit that big James would have given him a longer time out.
Braytons why I think it's only a strong suggestion still, or It could be Honsa abc such know what to say etc.
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2/26/2012 1:45pm
tobz wrote:
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too? Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if...
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too?

Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if he was even k.o'd?
500guy wrote:
No, I'm saying he didn't even get checked out, How would anyone know ? Yet other riders get checked out and told to sit out.
Unfortunately most riders know if you enter that medical rig you have a good chance of being told to sit so they'll will avoid the thing. I'm not saying I agree with it, but i don't blaim riders for not going.
2/26/2012 2:34pm
tobz wrote:
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too? Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if...
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too?

Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if he was even k.o'd?
people like you need to educate yourselves a little bit. Malcolm never went to the asterik truck because he and his team knew damned well he'd be sitting. Do you know you don't even need to be knocked out to obtain a concussion? Do you know that once you have one concussion, others come easier, and come even easier with every one after? Ask some NHL players whos careers were cut short due to concussions. Eric Lindros, for example, and more recently, and possibly Sydney Crosby. To get an idea, read this. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=362741
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2/26/2012 2:43pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2012 2:45pm
tobz wrote:
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too? Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if...
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too?

Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if he was even k.o'd?
people like you need to educate yourselves a little bit. Malcolm never went to the asterik truck because he and his team knew damned well he'd...
people like you need to educate yourselves a little bit. Malcolm never went to the asterik truck because he and his team knew damned well he'd be sitting. Do you know you don't even need to be knocked out to obtain a concussion? Do you know that once you have one concussion, others come easier, and come even easier with every one after? Ask some NHL players whos careers were cut short due to concussions. Eric Lindros, for example, and more recently, and possibly Sydney Crosby. To get an idea, read this. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=362741


Your sitting behind a keyboard watching it on TV "oh he must of had a concussion with a hit like that, he should have sat out"?


To tell the truth, I'm a little stunned i've been called uneducated by a canadian, eh?
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2/26/2012 2:49pm
It's also halair that this thread only comes up with Malcolm takes a dig. Where was this thread when Reed fell from 5 stories?
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2/26/2012 2:52pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2012 3:00pm
asterisk probably had a talking to from big james and the mech had no choice but to remove the plug wire.
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2/26/2012 2:53pm
BobbyM wrote:
asterisk probably had a talking to from big james and the mech had no choice but to remove the plug wire.
Robert, you sound desperate.
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2/26/2012 2:57pm
Some of you guys are amazing how you can diagnose a concussion over the TV airwaves. You really have a future as a soothsayer or medical...
Some of you guys are amazing how you can diagnose a concussion over the TV airwaves.
You really have a future as a soothsayer or medical psychic.
Tell, me what part of my body is injured right now, and what do you advise?
yer pecker...and remove immediately from yer bro?

what do i win?
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2/26/2012 2:58pm
500guy wrote:
He landed right on his head and neck and looked to be out for a few seconds. I thought they made you sit out if this...
He landed right on his head and neck and looked to be out for a few seconds.

I thought they made you sit out if this happens ? also that bike is a POS , wtf pulling it around trying to start it.

it's a death trap suicide rap.
the AMA didnt even make him go to the medical unit after a hit like that
2/26/2012 3:00pm
He has a concussion from Bogle's helmet slap last week? No wonder Bogle hurt his hand....
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2/26/2012 3:02pm
BobbyM wrote:
asterisk probably had a talking to from big james and the mech had no choice but to remove the plug wire.
kongols wrote:
Robert, you sound desperate.
you sound tired...but thanks for following my every post. maybe i need a twatter account kongels?
2/26/2012 3:13pm
Some of you guys are amazing how you can diagnose a concussion over the TV airwaves. You really have a future as a soothsayer or medical...
Some of you guys are amazing how you can diagnose a concussion over the TV airwaves.
You really have a future as a soothsayer or medical psychic.
Tell, me what part of my body is injured right now, and what do you advise?
BobbyM wrote:
yer pecker...and remove immediately from yer bro?

what do i win?
lol...
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2/26/2012 3:17pm
500guy wrote:
He landed right on his head and neck and looked to be out for a few seconds. I thought they made you sit out if this...
He landed right on his head and neck and looked to be out for a few seconds.

I thought they made you sit out if this happens ? also that bike is a POS , wtf pulling it around trying to start it.

it's a death trap suicide rap.
drmarkr wrote:
Yes, he had some degree of a concussion. The grade cannot be determined from the video, despite what all the morons on here are saying. It...
Yes, he had some degree of a concussion. The grade cannot be determined from the video, despite what all the morons on here are saying. It would require more history from him, and to have been at his side to examine him just after the wad.

If he was unconscious when he was still just after the crash, then he absolutely should be examined, and should not have ridden the LCQ/main. IMO, anyone taking a hit like that on the head should be required to be seen by the medical crew.

If he was just taking a little rest while lying there in the middle of that section.........
u a doc or sumting?
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2/26/2012 3:23pm
500guy wrote:
He landed right on his head and neck and looked to be out for a few seconds. I thought they made you sit out if this...
He landed right on his head and neck and looked to be out for a few seconds.

I thought they made you sit out if this happens ? also that bike is a POS , wtf pulling it around trying to start it.

it's a death trap suicide rap.
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2/26/2012 3:23pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2012 3:29pm
tobz wrote:
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too? Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if...
I suppose we all diagnosed reeds injuries from the video of his crash too?

Unbelievable. 2 pages of diagnosticians and you have no fuckin idea if he was even k.o'd?
500guy wrote:
No, I'm saying he didn't even get checked out, How would anyone know ? Yet other riders get checked out and told to sit out.
Is it next year that the Concussion Rule becomes mandatory? Obviously it's personal preference right now. Surprised his omnipresent Dad did not want him be checked out. If my kid was laying motionless for 20 seconds in the middle of the track I would not even think about letting him get back on the bike that day. What's up with that? It's not like anything was on the line to justifying him needing to get back out there without being checked out. Crazy
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I usually read the comments posted but felt compelled to write in hopes of educating the vital community.
A brief history about myself. I have been to every SX/MX for the past ten tears as the head Athletic Trainer for the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center. I picked up Reed in Dallas as well as Rokzen in Phoenix last year. I was the first one to James Marshalls side when he was paralyzed as well as the one who held Jason Ciarletta as he laid on track fighting to live. I understand as does the rest of the Asterisk medical team what this sport can give as well as take away. We are a part-time group of dedicated medical professionals who often times take vacation or non-paid days to help provide a much needed service to a sport we are truly passionate about.

I encourage everyone here who has an opinion or has blasted us to read the consensus statement on concussions in sport from the Zurich conference.

http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/43/Suppl_1/i76.full?sid=6a95a58d-2291-41a7-…

This has become the foundation by which all concussion management protocols will be built on. It is the information that we used to help design our concussion management protocol.

Now to hopefully clear some things up.

Not every blow to the head is going to produce concussion signs or symptoms. If this were true football players would need to be checked every play and boxers after every punch to the head.
(This is for the doctor who chimed in about grading the concussion. There will no longer be grade classifications of concussions ie. grade 1,2,3)

If an athlete is suspected of having a concussion an appropriately trained healthcare professional can perform a sideline assessment to determine if further testing is needed.

If further testing is needed that rider will have to go to the Asterisk Medical Center where they will undergo a SCAT2 evaluation and further work up by healthcare professional.

If a rider refuses to abide by the recommendations of the Chief Medical Officer(CMO) they WILL NOTt be able to compete.
No longer will riders be able to sign release of liability waivers.

if a rider passes all tests and is cleared by CMO they will be allowed to return to competition. This rider will continue to be monitored during competition and black flagged if needed.

If a rider is determined to have a concussion the rider must demonstrate proof of having taken a neuropsychological exam ImPACT test as well as an extertional gradiated exercise protoco before being cleared by CMO.
Currently for SX riders are not required to have a baseline test but must take test in order to return to ride.

Hopefully this information helps tone down some of the remarks I have read here.
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2/27/2012 1:03am
Where was he ever "knocked out"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8vXBMiJ3ys

If you watch this you see he clearly never went to sleep. Now, I am not saying he didnt have a concussion, but he did not go out. Looked more to me like the way a rider reacts when they knock the wind out of themselves...
2/27/2012 1:59am
Just because he can answer questions immediatly afterwards doesnt mean he doesnt have one. Did you see the way he walked away from Erin? He should...
Just because he can answer questions immediatly afterwards doesnt mean he doesnt have one. Did you see the way he walked away from Erin? He should have been sent to the medical truck immediatly, and it should be mandatory for every rider. If the rider is cleared to continue, then he can line up. No clearance, no race! With a concussion you are a danger to yourself, and the others on the track.Concussions are not something to take lightly
Fu$k you...I've had a bunch of them. Blink

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