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In a class known for a 194 lb. minimum weight rule, can Roczen actually put a 231 lb. tub of shit (as hannah told his Yamaha...
In a class known for a 194 lb. minimum weight rule, can Roczen actually put a 231 lb. tub of shit (as hannah told his Yamaha bosses) on the box? Gotta ask yourself WTF was KTM thinking. How much did they spend to get her into race trim and what does she weigh at tech? Guy B?????
Last two SX races of 2011 K-Rock knocked out a 2nd at SLC and 1st in Vegas on the west then followed that up with a 3rd in the shootout. Do you think the bike went backwards?

Is there a 194lb machine in the world that can beat him on an SX track? Any SX track whether it be from 2001 or 1982 or 2012? Or is this argument as tired of those bikes you traded around last week?
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Killer Customz wrote:
WHY? The stock KTM 250SX-F weighs in at 221.6 lbs. (DRY) Herre are some others for you: KX250F = 233.8 (DRY) http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26787/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Kawasaki-KX250F.aspx YZ250F = 227 (wet)...
WHY?
The stock KTM 250SX-F weighs in at 221.6 lbs. (DRY) Herre are some others for you:

KX250F = 233.8 (DRY)
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26787/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Ka…

YZ250F = 227 (wet)
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26787/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Ka…

CRF250R = 227 (wet)
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26781/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Ho…

RM-Z250 = 230 (wet)
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/new-bikes/2011/08/10/first-rides-2012…


LOOKS LIKE ITS THE LIGHTEST LITES BIKE! GET YOUR FACTS FIRST
newmann wrote:
Do you know what the hell DRY even means? No oil, coolant, probably not even forkoil, shock oil or chain lube..... LMAO. http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/MOTOCROSS-ACTION-TECH-SCHOOL-WHAT-THE-2012-MOTOCRO-8479.aspx Yamaha YZ250F..........218 Honda...
Do you know what the hell DRY even means? No oil, coolant, probably not even forkoil, shock oil or chain lube..... LMAO.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/MOTOCROSS-ACTION-TECH-SCHOOL-WH…

Yamaha YZ250F..........218
Honda CRF250............222
Kawasaki KX250F.........224
Suzuki RM-Z250...........224
KTM 250SXF.................231


"We used the tried-and-true AMA Pro racing method of weighing the bikes with full running gear, but the gas tanks empty. "
Amazing that someone would come on Vital and argue that you need to have your facts straight when they, themselves, do NOT have their facts straight. That's a first. Woohoo
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OK, it's time for this one. I'm sure it's shown up here before, but here you go...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcMG21fR56o&feature=player_embedded You've just gotta laugh at this circus!
OK, it's time for this one. I'm sure it's shown up here before, but here you go......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcMG21fR56o&feature=player_embedded

You've just gotta laugh at this circus!
"the 250 is heavier, but everyone says it handles like a 125"

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I think it's a little frustrating that KTM doesn't make it lighter stock, as well as give it more horsepower. If they can make a great bike for racing, then why don't they carry that over to the general public. Same thing for Honda. Their forks have sucked for years.
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newmann 2/16/2012 9:24am
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Guess I won't watch now that I know Roczen's bike is a tub of lard. Bummer, really like that guy. Why not just watch the races...
Guess I won't watch now that I know Roczen's bike is a tub of lard. Bummer, really like that guy.

Why not just watch the races and enjoy them? Talking shit about someones bike before he even races it, I just don't get it.
Trust me, I'm looking forward to him kicking some ass on it myself. I also like what KTM is doing but you still have to ask WTF were they thinking with the 250F.
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newmann 2/16/2012 9:33am
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In a class known for a 194 lb. minimum weight rule, can Roczen actually put a 231 lb. tub of shit (as hannah told his Yamaha...
In a class known for a 194 lb. minimum weight rule, can Roczen actually put a 231 lb. tub of shit (as hannah told his Yamaha bosses) on the box? Gotta ask yourself WTF was KTM thinking. How much did they spend to get her into race trim and what does she weigh at tech? Guy B?????
lucero10x wrote:
Last two SX races of 2011 K-Rock knocked out a 2nd at SLC and 1st in Vegas on the west then followed that up with a...
Last two SX races of 2011 K-Rock knocked out a 2nd at SLC and 1st in Vegas on the west then followed that up with a 3rd in the shootout. Do you think the bike went backwards?

Is there a 194lb machine in the world that can beat him on an SX track? Any SX track whether it be from 2001 or 1982 or 2012? Or is this argument as tired of those bikes you traded around last week?
You talking about the 1979 Mugen ME360? The 33 year old open class bike that weighs exactly the same as a brand new state of the fart bike that was built to compete in a class with 125cc bikes that were legal at 194 lbs.? Yeah, I know it sounds stupid but it is what it is. LOL. We're making progress....Wink
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Shawn142 2/16/2012 9:35am
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Some people form some real specific opinions about newer bikes. Either they have a lot of experience riding them all, or they read MXA too much. Does the newer KTM 250F really feel that much different (heavier and slower) from the previous years on the track? Does the extra 10lbs of a 250F over a 250 2-stroke really make you that much better? Honestly I ride a 240lbs CRF450 and a 220lbs CR250 back to back on occasion, and I'll be damned if I can feel 20lbs worth of difference between them. It feels like almost nothing when under power.
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Sherwood 2/16/2012 9:37am
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I love dip shits that compare factory bikes to the everyday bikes we get. Yeah he'll be on a stock bike....not.
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carlosmacho 2/16/2012 9:50am
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Roczen will do just fine. At least as good as Musquin regardless of the bike. He was competitive last year and will be again this year. The factory puts some money into the bikes and they are not the stock inflicted on the masses.
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Slow 2/16/2012 9:52am
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This thread SUCKS!
rustytrombone 2/16/2012 10:08am
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Roczen is gonna kill it on that tub of lard...
this
rustytrombone 2/16/2012 10:09am
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I love dip shits that compare factory bikes to the everyday bikes we get. Yeah he'll be on a stock bike....not.
and this
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BobbyM 2/16/2012 10:30am
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i thought the aggregate weight was the most important...he's pretty small it seems
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Killer Customz wrote:
WHY? The stock KTM 250SX-F weighs in at 221.6 lbs. (DRY) Herre are some others for you: KX250F = 233.8 (DRY) http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26787/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Kawasaki-KX250F.aspx YZ250F = 227 (wet)...
WHY?
The stock KTM 250SX-F weighs in at 221.6 lbs. (DRY) Herre are some others for you:

KX250F = 233.8 (DRY)
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26787/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Ka…

YZ250F = 227 (wet)
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26787/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Ka…

CRF250R = 227 (wet)
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26781/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Ho…

RM-Z250 = 230 (wet)
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/new-bikes/2011/08/10/first-rides-2012…


LOOKS LIKE ITS THE LIGHTEST LITES BIKE! GET YOUR FACTS FIRST
newmann wrote:
Do you know what the hell DRY even means? No oil, coolant, probably not even forkoil, shock oil or chain lube..... LMAO. http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/MOTOCROSS-ACTION-TECH-SCHOOL-WHAT-THE-2012-MOTOCRO-8479.aspx Yamaha YZ250F..........218 Honda...
Do you know what the hell DRY even means? No oil, coolant, probably not even forkoil, shock oil or chain lube..... LMAO.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/MOTOCROSS-ACTION-TECH-SCHOOL-WH…

Yamaha YZ250F..........218
Honda CRF250............222
Kawasaki KX250F.........224
Suzuki RM-Z250...........224
KTM 250SXF.................231


"We used the tried-and-true AMA Pro racing method of weighing the bikes with full running gear, but the gas tanks empty. "
Killer Customz wrote:
And yes, DRY is NO GAS! All other fluids are in the bike at time of shipping. But now your going to try and tell me...
And yes, DRY is NO GAS! All other fluids are in the bike at time of shipping. But now your going to try and tell me that fuel weighs 20lbs?



...DUH they use Un-leaded, Its weighs less than leaded.
Dry is all fluids but gas? Sounds like kinda sorta wet to me.

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newmann wrote:
In a class known for a 194 lb. minimum weight rule, can Roczen actually put a 231 lb. tub of shit (as hannah told his Yamaha...
In a class known for a 194 lb. minimum weight rule, can Roczen actually put a 231 lb. tub of shit (as hannah told his Yamaha bosses) on the box? Gotta ask yourself WTF was KTM thinking. How much did they spend to get her into race trim and what does she weigh at tech? Guy B?????
lucero10x wrote:
Last two SX races of 2011 K-Rock knocked out a 2nd at SLC and 1st in Vegas on the west then followed that up with a...
Last two SX races of 2011 K-Rock knocked out a 2nd at SLC and 1st in Vegas on the west then followed that up with a 3rd in the shootout. Do you think the bike went backwards?

Is there a 194lb machine in the world that can beat him on an SX track? Any SX track whether it be from 2001 or 1982 or 2012? Or is this argument as tired of those bikes you traded around last week?
newmann wrote:
You talking about the 1979 Mugen ME360? The 33 year old open class bike that weighs exactly the same as a brand new state of the...
You talking about the 1979 Mugen ME360? The 33 year old open class bike that weighs exactly the same as a brand new state of the fart bike that was built to compete in a class with 125cc bikes that were legal at 194 lbs.? Yeah, I know it sounds stupid but it is what it is. LOL. We're making progress....Wink
Yeah, I am talking about that tired old piece of shit. Wink What was it built to compete with? Bultaco's, Pursang's, Norton's?
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Killer Customz wrote:
WHY? The stock KTM 250SX-F weighs in at 221.6 lbs. (DRY) Herre are some others for you: KX250F = 233.8 (DRY) http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26787/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Kawasaki-KX250F.aspx YZ250F = 227 (wet)...
WHY?
The stock KTM 250SX-F weighs in at 221.6 lbs. (DRY) Herre are some others for you:

KX250F = 233.8 (DRY)
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26787/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Ka…

YZ250F = 227 (wet)
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26787/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Ka…

CRF250R = 227 (wet)
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/26781/Buyers-Guide-Specifications/2012-Ho…

RM-Z250 = 230 (wet)
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/new-bikes/2011/08/10/first-rides-2012…


LOOKS LIKE ITS THE LIGHTEST LITES BIKE! GET YOUR FACTS FIRST
newmann wrote:
Do you know what the hell DRY even means? No oil, coolant, probably not even forkoil, shock oil or chain lube..... LMAO. http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/MOTOCROSS-ACTION-TECH-SCHOOL-WHAT-THE-2012-MOTOCRO-8479.aspx Yamaha YZ250F..........218 Honda...
Do you know what the hell DRY even means? No oil, coolant, probably not even forkoil, shock oil or chain lube..... LMAO.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/MOTOCROSS-ACTION-TECH-SCHOOL-WH…

Yamaha YZ250F..........218
Honda CRF250............222
Kawasaki KX250F.........224
Suzuki RM-Z250...........224
KTM 250SXF.................231


"We used the tried-and-true AMA Pro racing method of weighing the bikes with full running gear, but the gas tanks empty. "
Killer Customz wrote:
And yes, DRY is NO GAS! All other fluids are in the bike at time of shipping. But now your going to try and tell me...
And yes, DRY is NO GAS! All other fluids are in the bike at time of shipping. But now your going to try and tell me that fuel weighs 20lbs?



...DUH they use Un-leaded, Its weighs less than leaded.
based on the veracity of kc's exhibited iq id say he must be an expert insider. The 2010 model ktm bike weight he states and the known fact that dry weight is measured everything but gas in the tank are the examples of proof. Show us one of ur builds BRO!
WHILE THE KTM USED TO WEIGH 219, ELECTRIC START EFI AND LINKAGE HAVE ADDED ALMOST 15 POUNDS TO THAT BIKE. You sir are a misinformed NOOB. STFU
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newmann 2/16/2012 11:33am
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Sherwood wrote:
I love dip shits that compare factory bikes to the everyday bikes we get. Yeah he'll be on a stock bike....not.
As opposed to dipshits in general 'eh. LOL at the fish in my boat.
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newmann 2/16/2012 11:41am
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lucero10x wrote:
Last two SX races of 2011 K-Rock knocked out a 2nd at SLC and 1st in Vegas on the west then followed that up with a...
Last two SX races of 2011 K-Rock knocked out a 2nd at SLC and 1st in Vegas on the west then followed that up with a 3rd in the shootout. Do you think the bike went backwards?

Is there a 194lb machine in the world that can beat him on an SX track? Any SX track whether it be from 2001 or 1982 or 2012? Or is this argument as tired of those bikes you traded around last week?
newmann wrote:
You talking about the 1979 Mugen ME360? The 33 year old open class bike that weighs exactly the same as a brand new state of the...
You talking about the 1979 Mugen ME360? The 33 year old open class bike that weighs exactly the same as a brand new state of the fart bike that was built to compete in a class with 125cc bikes that were legal at 194 lbs.? Yeah, I know it sounds stupid but it is what it is. LOL. We're making progress....Wink
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Yeah, I am talking about that tired old piece of shit. Wink What was it built to compete with? Bultaco's, Pursang's, Norton's?
Sad fact about it is that the dyno chart shows it only produces the exact same amount of horsepower as the weakest 250F.....which ironically would be the 2012 KTM! Laughing And considering it's rumored to have been a practice bike for a factory Honda rider in Europe (Noyce maybe?) yes, it probably is a bit tired. But when you see people going crazy on Ebay pushing $30,000.00 for one of twelve or so Chad Reed production based bikes from the 2011 season that he may or may not have ridden, you really have to consider the value of the old roach.
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Barrett57 2/16/2012 11:44am
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Roczens aready been written off by a few on here because he went snowboarding, went to a party and broke his arm.

And now his bikes a pile of shit, just brilliant.
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newmann 2/16/2012 12:03pm
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Need to restring my reel....
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Roczens aready been written off by a few on here because he went snowboarding, went to a party and broke his arm. And now his bikes...
Roczens aready been written off by a few on here because he went snowboarding, went to a party and broke his arm.

And now his bikes a pile of shit, just brilliant.
Yeah and imagine if he managed to run upfront with all that going against him,what an amazing feat that would be Woohoo
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newmann 2/16/2012 12:22pm
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When Roczen is on the box this weekend, which will it be??

Roczen wins it and the KTM haters come in with a list of excuses as to why it wasn't "straight up".

Roczen doesn't win it and all the KTM haters come in with why the bike is a piece of shit. A 231 lb. piece of shit at that! LOL
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newmann wrote:
When Roczen is on the box this weekend, which will it be?? Roczen wins it and the KTM haters come in with a list of excuses...
When Roczen is on the box this weekend, which will it be??

Roczen wins it and the KTM haters come in with a list of excuses as to why it wasn't "straight up".

Roczen doesn't win it and all the KTM haters come in with why the bike is a piece of shit. A 231 lb. piece of shit at that! LOL
Which Newmann will it be??

Roczen wins and it is because KTM is such a great forward thinking company that still updates and manufactures 2 strokes and is able to make changes on the fly to adjust to demands and meanwhile in Japan . . . (insert picture of Japanese person sleeping on a train).

Roczen doesn't win and it is because the bike he is riding is a 231 pound tub of KTM lard! LOL
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lucero10x 2/16/2012 12:39pm
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newmann wrote:
You talking about the 1979 Mugen ME360? The 33 year old open class bike that weighs exactly the same as a brand new state of the...
You talking about the 1979 Mugen ME360? The 33 year old open class bike that weighs exactly the same as a brand new state of the fart bike that was built to compete in a class with 125cc bikes that were legal at 194 lbs.? Yeah, I know it sounds stupid but it is what it is. LOL. We're making progress....Wink
lucero10x wrote:
Yeah, I am talking about that tired old piece of shit. Wink What was it built to compete with? Bultaco's, Pursang's, Norton's?
newmann wrote:
Sad fact about it is that the dyno chart shows it only produces the exact same amount of horsepower as the weakest 250F.....which ironically would be...
Sad fact about it is that the dyno chart shows it only produces the exact same amount of horsepower as the weakest 250F.....which ironically would be the 2012 KTM! Laughing And considering it's rumored to have been a practice bike for a factory Honda rider in Europe (Noyce maybe?) yes, it probably is a bit tired. But when you see people going crazy on Ebay pushing $30,000.00 for one of twelve or so Chad Reed production based bikes from the 2011 season that he may or may not have ridden, you really have to consider the value of the old roach.
No, You do. I don't give a shit. Wink Much like most people regarding your 4strk vs. 2strk argument.

So a factory 360 2 stroke produced about the same power as a 250 4 stroke? No replacement for displacement, huh?
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WTF? We all know Newmann is a 2-smoker advocate, but his point is/wish is that bike progress, exemplified here in the critique against added weigth. Kind of odd that my old CRF250 from 2007 weigths 12 lbs less than a new 2012 KTM. Sure that weight is to be found in EFI and electrical start, but one has to ask without getting shit for it, if adding those with the added weight is a move in the right direction?

Personally I'm under the impression that that for average Joe, a lighter bike is easier to ride on and prolongs our motos and I question how much EFI or electrical starts does for our performance, especially since every time I have fallen down, I have newer had an issue re-starting my bike(s)?

But it's a subjective manner!

I have deleted around 6 lbs on my old 2007, so I'm down to about 211 lbs by the way, only 11 left before I feel satisfied!Smile
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