Was the word from the Dungey Camp?

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jmar 2/7/2012 8:37pm
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Dungey will be one of the players when Vegas rolls around.
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hey_man 2/7/2012 8:39pm
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It's a complicated case. Lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-yous. Fortunately, I've been adhering to a strict, uh, drug regimen to keep my mind, you know, limber.
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txmxer wrote:
No, no, no...it's only a gift if someone else bobbles, has a bad start, crashes, or other problems. These guys are X-spurts. They have a whole...
No, no, no...it's only a gift if someone else bobbles, has a bad start, crashes, or other problems. These guys are X-spurts. They have a whole library full of records, wins, and championships that never actually happened.
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That seems pretty accurate for these parts. Whistling
karnivool wrote:
dungey is right where he was in 2010...one spot ahead of metcalfe and brayton...ish... when rv, cr, and js are there, they belong in front of...
dungey is right where he was in 2010...one spot ahead of metcalfe and brayton...ish...

when rv, cr, and js are there, they belong in front of him...nuff said...

deny it all you want
RV never had the points lead once in 2010 before he lawndarted. Explain that one without an excuse. Whistling
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TDeath21 wrote:
Well if you haven't noticed by now, when Dungey knows he won't improve his position at all, he won't continue to push. He won't take any...
Well if you haven't noticed by now, when Dungey knows he won't improve his position at all, he won't continue to push. He won't take any unnecessary risks, ever. It doesn't matter if you finish 1 second back of 3rd or 17 seconds back of 3rd, you get the same amount of points and you lose the same amount of points to your competitors. This style has almost won him 4 championships in 4 tries in the 450 class, so I think he's got something figured out Wink
RMT wrote:
Lots of guys "almost" won championships. Unfortunately for him, his two in the big boy class came when the three guys that are beating him every...
Lots of guys "almost" won championships. Unfortunately for him, his two in the big boy class came when the three guys that are beating him every week were out hurt. Hmmmmm. Makes you wonder.
Makes me wonder if getting hurt meaning you did something wrong.......getting hurt is something Dungey doesn't do. Consistency wins championships, getting hurt doesn't.
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Fearo 2/8/2012 12:52am
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Dungey could almost coast to a 3rd place season overall finish and that's damn good for a company new to the top level of the sport...
Dungey could almost coast to a 3rd place season overall finish and that's damn good for a company new to the top level of the sport in it's first year. Winning every race is not the goal for KTM. Win on your good/lucky days. Cut your losses on your bad/ unlucky days. Don't crash yourself out (by your own doing) like Stewart. Hope RV's black cloud comes back. Let Reed ride his emotional rollercoaster of highs and lows like a chic. Next thing you know your champion. Not a bad plan.
This is actually a very good post.

I'm sure RD is bummed that he hasn't been on the podium in the last 2 rounds, but I'm pretty sure KTM is smiling ear to ear each week. Consistent results, RD's professional image, and a shot at the title. What more could you honestly ask for?
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burnside 2/8/2012 2:37am
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The problem with Duney's tactics is Reed is on the line. Does anyone have the stats for his podium percentage over his career?

People seem to have Reed down as this loose cannon these days, when apart from the freak crash this summer outdoors and his broken hand from Bubba's ass.. he has barely missed ANY races. His stats are bonkers.

He plays Dungey's game already, and by the looks of it with more speed and intensity. Think who ever wins it this year is going to have to win a decent amount of mains, or... wish for injuries & DNFs from their competitors.
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mxgeoff 2/8/2012 2:45am
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burnside wrote:
The problem with Duney's tactics is Reed is on the line. Does anyone have the stats for his podium percentage over his career? People seem to...
The problem with Duney's tactics is Reed is on the line. Does anyone have the stats for his podium percentage over his career?

People seem to have Reed down as this loose cannon these days, when apart from the freak crash this summer outdoors and his broken hand from Bubba's ass.. he has barely missed ANY races. His stats are bonkers.

He plays Dungey's game already, and by the looks of it with more speed and intensity. Think who ever wins it this year is going to have to win a decent amount of mains, or... wish for injuries & DNFs from their competitors.
Agree 100%. Faster and just as smart or smarter.
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Smitch 2/8/2012 3:19am
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On the second lap of the 2010 MXdN (first moto) every American was a Dungey fan !! A fair-weather fan, yes, but a fan nonetheless. He did our country well.
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jamma10 2/8/2012 3:23am
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1. Ryan Villopoto - 108
2. Chad Reed - 105
3. Ryan Dungey - 103
4. James Stewart - 95


He's having a shocker....
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mccread 2/8/2012 3:36am
2/8/2012 3:36am Edited Date/Time 2/8/2012 3:39am
People read way to much into results. Results do not always indicate speed in supercross. They usually indicate starts, and one of the big four has to finish off the podium every week.

Dungey got a bad start two weeks ago, and took too long to get around Brayton and Millsaps this week. That is all.

His actual speed is fine, he beat Reed in his heat and Chad had a good ride in the main. He Just needs to be more aggressive in his passes. Don't know why so many American's dislike Dungey, he is a perfect role model for any aspiring motocrosser.
2strokerider 2/8/2012 3:38am
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TDeath21 wrote:
Well if you haven't noticed by now, when Dungey knows he won't improve his position at all, he won't continue to push. He won't take any...
Well if you haven't noticed by now, when Dungey knows he won't improve his position at all, he won't continue to push. He won't take any unnecessary risks, ever. It doesn't matter if you finish 1 second back of 3rd or 17 seconds back of 3rd, you get the same amount of points and you lose the same amount of points to your competitors. This style has almost won him 4 championships in 4 tries in the 450 class, so I think he's got something figured out Wink
what he said! dungey is thinking about one thing- the championship! He knows what he's doing
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jamma10 2/8/2012 3:47am
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TDeath21 wrote:
Well if you haven't noticed by now, when Dungey knows he won't improve his position at all, he won't continue to push. He won't take any...
Well if you haven't noticed by now, when Dungey knows he won't improve his position at all, he won't continue to push. He won't take any unnecessary risks, ever. It doesn't matter if you finish 1 second back of 3rd or 17 seconds back of 3rd, you get the same amount of points and you lose the same amount of points to your competitors. This style has almost won him 4 championships in 4 tries in the 450 class, so I think he's got something figured out Wink
2strokerider wrote:
what he said! dungey is thinking about one thing- the championship! He knows what he's doing
Same as Reed. Which was exemplified in the way he let Stewart pass him on saturday night.
2strokerider 2/8/2012 3:47am
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TDeath21 wrote:
Well if you haven't noticed by now, when Dungey knows he won't improve his position at all, he won't continue to push. He won't take any...
Well if you haven't noticed by now, when Dungey knows he won't improve his position at all, he won't continue to push. He won't take any unnecessary risks, ever. It doesn't matter if you finish 1 second back of 3rd or 17 seconds back of 3rd, you get the same amount of points and you lose the same amount of points to your competitors. This style has almost won him 4 championships in 4 tries in the 450 class, so I think he's got something figured out Wink
RMT wrote:
Lots of guys "almost" won championships. Unfortunately for him, his two in the big boy class came when the three guys that are beating him every...
Lots of guys "almost" won championships. Unfortunately for him, his two in the big boy class came when the three guys that are beating him every week were out hurt. Hmmmmm. Makes you wonder.
3 riders that are beating him every week? have you not been watching the racing?! im not a dungey fan, but his results have been as good as anyone elses this year, and he's still in the championship chase!
2strokerider 2/8/2012 4:00am
2/8/2012 4:00am Edited Date/Time 2/8/2012 4:02am
TDeath21 wrote:
Well if you haven't noticed by now, when Dungey knows he won't improve his position at all, he won't continue to push. He won't take any...
Well if you haven't noticed by now, when Dungey knows he won't improve his position at all, he won't continue to push. He won't take any unnecessary risks, ever. It doesn't matter if you finish 1 second back of 3rd or 17 seconds back of 3rd, you get the same amount of points and you lose the same amount of points to your competitors. This style has almost won him 4 championships in 4 tries in the 450 class, so I think he's got something figured out Wink
2strokerider wrote:
what he said! dungey is thinking about one thing- the championship! He knows what he's doing
jamma10 wrote:
Same as Reed. Which was exemplified in the way he let Stewart pass him on saturday night.
exactly! reed and dungey play the smooth, consistent, finish up there all season game (and be in with a shout at the championship) RV and stewart both ride a little more on the edge (take more risks) Its gona be interesting to see how it pans out but if i was a betting man I would rather bet on reed or dungey than stewart for the championship this season!

It will be interesting to see what RV does, if stewart manages to pick up a bit more pace- does he ride on the edge to battle with him/ beat him or play the smart game and think of the championship? (assuming james will carry on crashing)
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burnside 2/8/2012 4:15am
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2strokerider wrote:
what he said! dungey is thinking about one thing- the championship! He knows what he's doing
You say this like you think Dungey has some secret warp speed switch he can turn on, but is choosing not to. I think he's going as fast as he damn can!
2strokerider 2/8/2012 4:31am
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what he said! dungey is thinking about one thing- the championship! He knows what he's doing
burnside wrote:
You say this like you think Dungey has some secret warp speed switch he can turn on, but is choosing not to. I think he's going...
You say this like you think Dungey has some secret warp speed switch he can turn on, but is choosing not to. I think he's going as fast as he damn can!
i think he is riding well within his limits- guys like reed and dungey seem to take a smoother, controlled approach to riding mx and sx, RV and stewart like to hang it out a little bit more- just an observation!
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2strokerider wrote:
what he said! dungey is thinking about one thing- the championship! He knows what he's doing
burnside wrote:
You say this like you think Dungey has some secret warp speed switch he can turn on, but is choosing not to. I think he's going...
You say this like you think Dungey has some secret warp speed switch he can turn on, but is choosing not to. I think he's going as fast as he damn can!
2strokerider wrote:
i think he is riding well within his limits- guys like reed and dungey seem to take a smoother, controlled approach to riding mx and sx...
i think he is riding well within his limits- guys like reed and dungey seem to take a smoother, controlled approach to riding mx and sx, RV and stewart like to hang it out a little bit more- just an observation!
So where does the point gap have to be for him to start pushing his ability? I agree that he is riding as fast as he can control the bike, but assuming the same thing you are about him wanting that championship, does he have to have a 20 point gap or does he start picking it up with the gap where it is right now?

I would say he needs to keep the leader within 10 points of him.

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Predator 2/8/2012 5:15am
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And I think Dunge knows all this... I believe he thinks he is racing Reed for this championship cuz we still have a long way to go and I see a couple more bad races from Stew and RV. It's pretty rare to see Reed or Dunge have a bad race without a mechanical so again.... he knows what he's doing. He may be a tick off of RV and Stew's speed but he of all people knows you have to be in-it to win-it at the end of the season. He will be a player in vegas... Not rocket science my bros
TripleFive 2/8/2012 5:47am
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You must be here to fix the cable.
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I mean, say what you what about the tenants of national socialism, but at least it's an ethos.
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426Hemi 2/8/2012 6:37am
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He should retire.
Motocross83 2/8/2012 7:18am
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Of the elite 4, I do think RV and JS are "fractionally" stronger in speed overall than CR and RD. If we were talking outright speed alone, then I personally would currently order them as such....

1.RV
2.JS
3.CR
4.RD

They're all terribly close, as I said it's only fractions.

However although we all know that you need consistency and that speed alone isn't enough to win the war, that doesn't mean it should be downplayed to the realms of almost unimportant. There will be times when it pays off in dividends.

JS will likely crash out a few times and be set back in points. That's not having ago at James but based on history it's a probable scenario. But you can't bank on that. An you certainly can't bank on it with Villopoto - he seems a little more solid than Stewart imo. There can therefore sometimes become a breaking point in the championship chase (usually within the later rounds) when every round becomes a "must win" and being the very very fastest here, is suddenly bloody useful.

Just as with McGrath and Carmichael in 2001. Jeremy couldn't match him in speed so he instead had to rely on Ricky having some sort of a disaster. And although he got close, that disaster just never came. It might not come for Villopoto. There may come a time when Dungey has no choice but to beat him with pure outright speed alone - and so far we haven't seen that pure speed (or aggression) from RD.
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Butters 2/8/2012 7:27am
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According to my copy of the script, Dungey will win this weekend. There's a pattern forming here...
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I don't think the ktm crew is so happy that 3 different japanese brands beats him almost every weekend !

If I was the ktm boss I wouldn't be happy right now...embarrassing ! Lucky me...I'm not that guy ! Silly
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easton wrote:
James running hurt and wounded passed him like a lapper ???? would make me kinda question something. The guy is a great rider but lately if...
James running hurt and wounded passed him like a lapper ???? would make me kinda question something. The guy is a great rider but lately if the other three ride good he gets left.
That was true when he was on a Suzuki too. Nothing has changed.
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Look at it like a cross country trip in your car... Dungey and Reed like to take the easiest route and stay on the highway while James and RV like to get off the beaten path occasionaly and take the "scenic" route and then jump back on the freeway and catch back up when they need to.
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jndmx 2/8/2012 9:45am
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Donny shut the fuck up you're out of your element!!!!!
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TDeath21 wrote:
Don't even get me started on this one. His style kept him injury free. Villopoto's style got him injured for the 2010 championships. Stewart's style got...
Don't even get me started on this one. His style kept him injury free. Villopoto's style got him injured for the 2010 championships. Stewart's style got him injured for the 2010 championship. Reed's rivalry with Stewart got him injured for the 2010 championship. Dungey doesn't make rivals and he doesn't have a style that will injure him. At A1 that year, Dungey was on the line along with Stewart, Villopoto, and Reed. All four were going for the championship, and Dungey beat them all. "Straight up" as you might say.
Whoa there homeslice, where in my post did I say "straight up" or anything like that. You need to not be so quick to get all wound up. I know Ryan. I know his Mom and Dad. I had to work with him several times in the past. Same with Decoster. Shit, I even attempted to go on a jog one morning in Daytona with Roger which was a BAD idea on my part. So Im just pointing out that running 4th every weekend and hoping for someones "style" to cause an injury, is not the direction they had planned on. Roger is about winning and second place means nothing to him (much less 3rd or 4th).

Ryan needs to get more aggressive. He has everything he needs except that inner most pissed off I dont care what happens katy bar the door attitude. RC had this and it was obvious. He didnt care if it hurt to flatland a 80ft. jump. He just did it.
But anyone that knows anything about motocross already knows this and we all thought it might change once he gets up in the big leagues and gets pushed around. Im still not seeing it.

All that said, I really do like Ryan and my kids still cheer for him at the races.

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