Ross Meada makes too much sense

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Edited Date/Time 2/4/2012 10:28am
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy. It was surprising to hear that a guy who makes his living off the modern super techy MXers is of the opinion that technology has gone too far. I'm sure it drove Matthes crazy because he's all for new technology, no matter the cost.

I agree with what Ross had to say, and I too can remember a time when racing cost a fraction of what it does now and it was as much if not more fun too. Not that theres anything we can really do about it because the horses are all out of the barn, but maybe in the future when we are at a crossroads we should listen to our experienced elders like Ross.
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2/2/2012 12:25pm
I believe that Ross is the single-best-person to help James with his chassis issues, too.
2/2/2012 12:25pm
hellion wrote:
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy...
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy. It was surprising to hear that a guy who makes his living off the modern super techy MXers is of the opinion that technology has gone too far. I'm sure it drove Matthes crazy because he's all for new technology, no matter the cost.

I agree with what Ross had to say, and I too can remember a time when racing cost a fraction of what it does now and it was as much if not more fun too. Not that theres anything we can really do about it because the horses are all out of the barn, but maybe in the future when we are at a crossroads we should listen to our experienced elders like Ross.
or maybe the AMA should stop letting the bean counters in Japan determine what we all race.
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2/2/2012 12:26pm
Thanks for the head's up. Was just listening to an old podcast where Matthes had McGrath and Ferry on. Was kinda spooky to hear them talk about the propensity of injury to Trey Canard....not that anyone else never wondered about the same. But, who really knew?....

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2/2/2012 12:30pm
yes. exchange rate and the crumbling US dollar. Got that.

Japan's bubble is getting ready to burst. Wait for it. Theyve been prolonging it with ridiculous bailouts and a hyper socialist economy but, its getting ready to cave in.
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2/2/2012 12:57pm
yes. exchange rate and the crumbling US dollar. Got that. Japan's bubble is getting ready to burst. Wait for it. Theyve been prolonging it with ridiculous...
yes. exchange rate and the crumbling US dollar. Got that.

Japan's bubble is getting ready to burst. Wait for it. Theyve been prolonging it with ridiculous bailouts and a hyper socialist economy but, its getting ready to cave in.
I agree. They are so in debt it's ridiculous. 1% or 2% increase in their borrowing costs will kill them. Maybe it will end up being a good thing for bike prices.
2/2/2012 1:13pm
yes. exchange rate and the crumbling US dollar. Got that. Japan's bubble is getting ready to burst. Wait for it. Theyve been prolonging it with ridiculous...
yes. exchange rate and the crumbling US dollar. Got that.

Japan's bubble is getting ready to burst. Wait for it. Theyve been prolonging it with ridiculous bailouts and a hyper socialist economy but, its getting ready to cave in.
I agree. They are so in debt it's ridiculous. 1% or 2% increase in their borrowing costs will kill them. Maybe it will end up being...
I agree. They are so in debt it's ridiculous. 1% or 2% increase in their borrowing costs will kill them. Maybe it will end up being a good thing for bike prices.
On top of that, the average age of their population in 2020 is projected to be 54 years of age. They arent reproducing. They have no raw materials, and

(drum roll)

China still wants revenge for the occupation during WW2 and rape of nanking.


Japan will be nothing more than a backwater shithole off the coast of China in just 15 years. But don't concern yourself with bike prices, because we will all be riding KTMs or Hyosungs.

I lived in Japan for 4 years, and I pity those people and what they are about to go through.
2/2/2012 1:59pm
hellion wrote:
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy...
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy. It was surprising to hear that a guy who makes his living off the modern super techy MXers is of the opinion that technology has gone too far. I'm sure it drove Matthes crazy because he's all for new technology, no matter the cost.

I agree with what Ross had to say, and I too can remember a time when racing cost a fraction of what it does now and it was as much if not more fun too. Not that theres anything we can really do about it because the horses are all out of the barn, but maybe in the future when we are at a crossroads we should listen to our experienced elders like Ross.
I've been saying that for years but there's more to it than it simply being too expensive. The growth of a sport has to do with accessibility, entry age, cost and cost range, along with perception.

Motocross has a bad perception in the general public eye. It's seen as disturbing and associated with loud noise, which most don't like, and with danger. Every time they show replays of some guy on a bike breaking himself in half during X-Games worsens this.

Accessibility has gone down as tracks get closed down. It has also been made worse by the louder bikes which put the remaining tracks and riding areas at risk.

Cost is an obvious one but the range of cost is more relevant. Lots of sports have really high end products you could buy but the majority of consumers buy mid to low price range products. Motocross is different since all motocross bikes (i'm excluding trail riding bikes here) are made to be raced and include expensive materials and technology.

Entry age remains fairly low for motocross but only for riders who's parents get them into the sport. Early entry age increases the likelihood of that person continuing to pursue that sport for the rest of his or her life. This is just a fact of all sports with few exceptions like golf and fishing. The more dangerous the sport, the more important early age entry becomes.

The reason sports like basketball and baseball are so widely participated in is due to low cost and high accessibility. Even football, which has a high perception of danger, has a much wider participation rate than any motorsport due to those two factors.

As cost go up and perception goes down, the entry age will continue to go up and you'll see less and less people getting their kids into the sport. Once that happens, the remaining customers have to pay more for track maintenance, bikes, parts, etc because those costs are spread out over fewer customers and it becomes a vicious cycle.

If motocross is to survive, manufacturers and tracks need to work together to deliver safer low cost options across the board. I'm a 3rd generation motocrosser but I know that at the rate things are going now my kids won't ever throw a leg over a bike to race, just too dangerous.
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2/2/2012 4:03pm
or maybe the AMA should stop letting the bean counters in Japan determine what we all race.
haaa, damn others, always their fault, always them forcing me. Dam' them.
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2/2/2012 4:13pm Edited Date/Time 2/2/2012 4:22pm
sorry.
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yes. exchange rate and the crumbling US dollar. Got that. Japan's bubble is getting ready to burst. Wait for it. Theyve been prolonging it with ridiculous...
yes. exchange rate and the crumbling US dollar. Got that.

Japan's bubble is getting ready to burst. Wait for it. Theyve been prolonging it with ridiculous bailouts and a hyper socialist economy but, its getting ready to cave in.
That happened already, "The Lost Decade", Japan is actually doing better than the United States but unfortunately, the US is not learning from Japans mistakes.
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2/2/2012 4:14pm Edited Date/Time 2/2/2012 4:15pm
hellion wrote:
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy...
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy. It was surprising to hear that a guy who makes his living off the modern super techy MXers is of the opinion that technology has gone too far. I'm sure it drove Matthes crazy because he's all for new technology, no matter the cost.

I agree with what Ross had to say, and I too can remember a time when racing cost a fraction of what it does now and it was as much if not more fun too. Not that theres anything we can really do about it because the horses are all out of the barn, but maybe in the future when we are at a crossroads we should listen to our experienced elders like Ross.
TriRacer27 wrote:
I've been saying that for years but there's more to it than it simply being too expensive. The growth of a sport has to do with...
I've been saying that for years but there's more to it than it simply being too expensive. The growth of a sport has to do with accessibility, entry age, cost and cost range, along with perception.

Motocross has a bad perception in the general public eye. It's seen as disturbing and associated with loud noise, which most don't like, and with danger. Every time they show replays of some guy on a bike breaking himself in half during X-Games worsens this.

Accessibility has gone down as tracks get closed down. It has also been made worse by the louder bikes which put the remaining tracks and riding areas at risk.

Cost is an obvious one but the range of cost is more relevant. Lots of sports have really high end products you could buy but the majority of consumers buy mid to low price range products. Motocross is different since all motocross bikes (i'm excluding trail riding bikes here) are made to be raced and include expensive materials and technology.

Entry age remains fairly low for motocross but only for riders who's parents get them into the sport. Early entry age increases the likelihood of that person continuing to pursue that sport for the rest of his or her life. This is just a fact of all sports with few exceptions like golf and fishing. The more dangerous the sport, the more important early age entry becomes.

The reason sports like basketball and baseball are so widely participated in is due to low cost and high accessibility. Even football, which has a high perception of danger, has a much wider participation rate than any motorsport due to those two factors.

As cost go up and perception goes down, the entry age will continue to go up and you'll see less and less people getting their kids into the sport. Once that happens, the remaining customers have to pay more for track maintenance, bikes, parts, etc because those costs are spread out over fewer customers and it becomes a vicious cycle.

If motocross is to survive, manufacturers and tracks need to work together to deliver safer low cost options across the board. I'm a 3rd generation motocrosser but I know that at the rate things are going now my kids won't ever throw a leg over a bike to race, just too dangerous.
Excellent.... Too bad your comments aren't in a thread of its own so others will be inclined to read it.
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2/2/2012 4:18pm
hellion wrote:
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy...
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy. It was surprising to hear that a guy who makes his living off the modern super techy MXers is of the opinion that technology has gone too far. I'm sure it drove Matthes crazy because he's all for new technology, no matter the cost.

I agree with what Ross had to say, and I too can remember a time when racing cost a fraction of what it does now and it was as much if not more fun too. Not that theres anything we can really do about it because the horses are all out of the barn, but maybe in the future when we are at a crossroads we should listen to our experienced elders like Ross.
His opinion didn't "drive me crazy" because I'm not "all for new technology, not matter the cost"...Nope, I just admire and like to see the new technology. It's exciting to me but he makes some valid points in there for sure.
2/2/2012 4:25pm
Excellent post TriRacer. I would just like to add that as far as our youngest racers go, it doesn't help when parents want to get into a spending competition and it becomes my kid is faster based on money vs. ability.
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2/2/2012 4:38pm
Matthes wrote:
His opinion didn't "drive me crazy" because I'm not "all for new technology, not matter the cost"...Nope, I just admire and like to see the new...
His opinion didn't "drive me crazy" because I'm not "all for new technology, not matter the cost"...Nope, I just admire and like to see the new technology. It's exciting to me but he makes some valid points in there for sure.
I always like to say to my buddies "that bike is better than you will ever be". When does that not apply? Every Saturday night at supercross,cause those guys can use every bit of technology thats given to them. This applies to most every sport, the elite few can push the design limits to keep equipment improving. Unfortunately, marketing gets involved and the regular guy goes broke upgrading when in reality he can't use the item to his or her full potential.
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2/2/2012 5:16pm Edited Date/Time 2/2/2012 5:17pm
Will listen for sure...
2/2/2012 6:10pm
Electric dirt bikes, I cant wait, quiet, I can set up a track in my back yard. and hopefully affordable for the masses
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2/2/2012 6:16pm
At this rate, pro MX racing is going to be more akin to ama superbike and atva nationals ..
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2/3/2012 1:59am
hellion wrote:
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy...
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy. It was surprising to hear that a guy who makes his living off the modern super techy MXers is of the opinion that technology has gone too far. I'm sure it drove Matthes crazy because he's all for new technology, no matter the cost.

I agree with what Ross had to say, and I too can remember a time when racing cost a fraction of what it does now and it was as much if not more fun too. Not that theres anything we can really do about it because the horses are all out of the barn, but maybe in the future when we are at a crossroads we should listen to our experienced elders like Ross.
or maybe the AMA should stop letting the bean counters in Japan determine what we all race.
this..I'll get on it when I'm in Tokyo next week.
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2/3/2012 2:10am
Hando wrote:
At this rate, pro MX racing is going to be more akin to ama superbike and atva nationals ..
Your sig annoys the fk out of me man. And the combination of your sig. and avatar make you look like a fuggin tool. Had to say it. I don't hate you or nothin... jus thought I'de let you knowCheerful
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2/3/2012 2:19am
Hando wrote:
At this rate, pro MX racing is going to be more akin to ama superbike and atva nationals ..
Your sig annoys the fk out of me man. And the combination of your sig. and avatar make you look like a fuggin tool. Had to...
Your sig annoys the fk out of me man. And the combination of your sig. and avatar make you look like a fuggin tool. Had to say it. I don't hate you or nothin... jus thought I'de let you knowCheerful
Dikhead. His avatar is Russel Crowe from Romper Stomper. Take a look at it and harden the fuck up you pussy.
2/3/2012 3:27am Edited Date/Time 2/3/2012 3:32am
same thing could be said for the US and europe as well. and chinas housing market is about to crumble. i'd say we're in for a global shitstorm unless something happens pretty soon.

was meant as a comment on the jap debt post...
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2/3/2012 5:14am
Hando wrote:
At this rate, pro MX racing is going to be more akin to ama superbike and atva nationals ..
Your sig annoys the fk out of me man. And the combination of your sig. and avatar make you look like a fuggin tool. Had to...
Your sig annoys the fk out of me man. And the combination of your sig. and avatar make you look like a fuggin tool. Had to say it. I don't hate you or nothin... jus thought I'de let you knowCheerful
I have a friend whose last name is Harden, and he's a fuck up. To me his sig is stating a fact.
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2/3/2012 5:26am
yes. exchange rate and the crumbling US dollar. Got that. Japan's bubble is getting ready to burst. Wait for it. Theyve been prolonging it with ridiculous...
yes. exchange rate and the crumbling US dollar. Got that.

Japan's bubble is getting ready to burst. Wait for it. Theyve been prolonging it with ridiculous bailouts and a hyper socialist economy but, its getting ready to cave in.
Good points. Unfortunately this reminds of the country WE live in...
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2/3/2012 6:57am
I have a 2006 CRF450 I bought NOS in 2008. I have won 3 hi pointe championships on it And have no plans to upgrade anytime soon. If I were to put a pro on it he would run lap times many seconds faster than me, Which means the bike can go faster than I can. In my opinion it would be insane to spend 7000 bucks On the new bike when I'm already Competitive on this bike And it goes faster than I can. JMO
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2/3/2012 8:18am
hellion wrote:
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy...
Go take a listen to the BTO podcast with Matthes and Ross Meada. Ross has been around a long time and is a very smart guy. It was surprising to hear that a guy who makes his living off the modern super techy MXers is of the opinion that technology has gone too far. I'm sure it drove Matthes crazy because he's all for new technology, no matter the cost.

I agree with what Ross had to say, and I too can remember a time when racing cost a fraction of what it does now and it was as much if not more fun too. Not that theres anything we can really do about it because the horses are all out of the barn, but maybe in the future when we are at a crossroads we should listen to our experienced elders like Ross.
nobody's listening.
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2/3/2012 9:15am Edited Date/Time 2/3/2012 9:16am
Hando wrote:
At this rate, pro MX racing is going to be more akin to ama superbike and atva nationals ..
Currently to get an AMA SuperSport ride mainly requires one thing, namely a $300K check from your Daddy paid directly to the race team.

Unfortunately in this economy, it's not the fastest rider that always gets the ride, it's often a decent rider w/ deep pockets. To be clear I'm talking about roadracing here, not MX.
2/3/2012 9:20am
Suns_PSD wrote:
Currently to get an AMA SuperSport ride mainly requires one thing, namely a $300K check from your Daddy paid directly to the race team. Unfortunately in...
Currently to get an AMA SuperSport ride mainly requires one thing, namely a $300K check from your Daddy paid directly to the race team.

Unfortunately in this economy, it's not the fastest rider that always gets the ride, it's often a decent rider w/ deep pockets. To be clear I'm talking about roadracing here, not MX.
a little more than 500k gets you on a CRT in motoGP this year. On the grid with Valentino Rossi and company.
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2/3/2012 10:34am
Suns_PSD wrote:
Currently to get an AMA SuperSport ride mainly requires one thing, namely a $300K check from your Daddy paid directly to the race team. Unfortunately in...
Currently to get an AMA SuperSport ride mainly requires one thing, namely a $300K check from your Daddy paid directly to the race team.

Unfortunately in this economy, it's not the fastest rider that always gets the ride, it's often a decent rider w/ deep pockets. To be clear I'm talking about roadracing here, not MX.
a little more than 500k gets you on a CRT in motoGP this year. On the grid with Valentino Rossi and company.
500k per year won't get you anywhere near Rossi.
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2/3/2012 10:46am
Listening now. Keep pumping this stuff out Matthes!

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