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1/28/2012 6:36pm
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I just hope fans can get to the race on time...
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1/28/2012 6:41pm
1911 wrote:
In my opinion, those hippies at Kent state got an education.
I've said it many times on here.

There are a ton of dirt bags that ride dirt bikes.

You, Mr 911 exemplify that.

I am out.
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I guess you learned a lot about the Vietnam protests and what the government did to squash it: Have the balls to read below. An education...
I guess you learned a lot about the Vietnam protests and what the government did to squash it:

Have the balls to read below.

An education goes a long way, unless you are one of these students...

The Kent State shootings—also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre[2][3][4]—occurred at Kent State University in the U.S. city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.[5]

Some of the students who were shot had been protesting against the American invasion of Cambodia, which President Richard Nixon announced in a television address on April 30. Other students who were shot had been walking nearby or observing the protest from a distance.[6][7]

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of four million students,[8] and the event further affected the public opinion—at an already socially contentious time—over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.[9]
Sherwood wrote:
That's the problem. Not a single person can tell you what it's REALLY about they point towards old war protests and the protests in the middle...
That's the problem. Not a single person can tell you what it's REALLY about they point towards old war protests and the protests in the middle east, which are vastly different because they had a plan and leadership.
As others have stated, you might want to educate yourself before making statements about something you clearly don't understand.

During the beginning stages of the labor movement in the US there were different methods of protest. The AFL was quite deliberate and had a well defined stated purpose. Which seems to be the only method you believe will work. The IWW was not nearly as defined and many of their protests were random and chaotic, but they accomplished a great many things for their members.

We'll have to wait and see if the movement persists and moves to a more focused goal. Movements typically don't start with clear leadership, movements start and then leaders come later.
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I guess you learned a lot about the Vietnam protests and what the government did to squash it: Have the balls to read below. An education...
I guess you learned a lot about the Vietnam protests and what the government did to squash it:

Have the balls to read below.

An education goes a long way, unless you are one of these students...

The Kent State shootings—also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre[2][3][4]—occurred at Kent State University in the U.S. city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.[5]

Some of the students who were shot had been protesting against the American invasion of Cambodia, which President Richard Nixon announced in a television address on April 30. Other students who were shot had been walking nearby or observing the protest from a distance.[6][7]

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of four million students,[8] and the event further affected the public opinion—at an already socially contentious time—over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.[9]
1911 wrote:
In my opinion, those hippies at Kent state got an education.
So, people deserve to die, because.... they don't want people to die?

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1/28/2012 6:49pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2012 6:51pm
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Sherwood you read something into my post that's not there.........did I say what the definition of insanity is?......and of all things from my post to grab...
Sherwood you read something into my post that's not there.........did I say what the definition of insanity is?......and of all things from my post to grab onto......what about the rest of my post? I'm guessing you are one of the 99% fooled into supporting the top 1%........but that's just a guess so don't misquote or misunderstand me.
BTW, I find it very unusual that 2 or 3 times a week someone feels the need to explain their idea of insanity to you....things that make you go humm!
Sherwood wrote:
What's your definition of insanity? You said it didn't work with Bush or regean and then What's the definition of insanity? You get it a lot...
What's your definition of insanity? You said it didn't work with Bush or regean and then What's the definition of insanity?

You get it a lot when you work in psychology usually from people trying to be a smart ass.
Then you understand that your correction of my definition of insanity was wrong......because I didn't give a definition but rather asked a question.
If you don't know what the 99% movement is about ..........since you are in all probability part of the bottom 99%, it's time to educate yourself about the movement. Honestly, since you work in psychology and therefore most likely have a higher education, I am shocked that you don't understand what the 99% movement is all about. Shame on you!
Even with your explanation, I still find it very strange that 2 or 3 times a week someone feels the need to explain their idea of insanity to you.
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1/28/2012 6:51pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2012 6:55pm
Motoxdoc wrote:
Sherwood you read something into my post that's not there.........did I say what the definition of insanity is?......and of all things from my post to grab...
Sherwood you read something into my post that's not there.........did I say what the definition of insanity is?......and of all things from my post to grab onto......what about the rest of my post? I'm guessing you are one of the 99% fooled into supporting the top 1%........but that's just a guess so don't misquote or misunderstand me.
BTW, I find it very unusual that 2 or 3 times a week someone feels the need to explain their idea of insanity to you....things that make you go humm!
Sherwood wrote:
What's your definition of insanity? You said it didn't work with Bush or regean and then What's the definition of insanity? You get it a lot...
What's your definition of insanity? You said it didn't work with Bush or regean and then What's the definition of insanity?

You get it a lot when you work in psychology usually from people trying to be a smart ass.
Motoxdoc wrote:
Then you understand that your correction of my definition of insanity was wrong......because I didn't give a definition but rather asked a question. If you don't...
Then you understand that your correction of my definition of insanity was wrong......because I didn't give a definition but rather asked a question.
If you don't know what the 99% movement is about ..........since you are in all probability part of the bottom 99%, it's time to educate yourself about the movement. Honestly, since you work in psychology and therefore most likely have a higher education, I am shocked that you don't understand what the 99% movement is all about. Shame on you!
Even with your explanation, I still find it very strange that 2 or 3 times a week someone feels the need to explain their idea of insanity to you.
The people at the thing don't know, I know because I've attended a OWS ordeal and all you can do is tell me how shocked you are so therefore have yet to show you know. You can cut out your "intellectual superior" crap and discuss things like an adult.

Please explain what you meant with the what's the definition of insanity comment?

You won't because you know I'm right. You where going for the, "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again expecting a diffrent result.". Implications in writing need to be thought about before submitting your paper young one.
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So, people deserve to die, because.... they don't want people to die?
What??? I said they got an education.
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If OWS were a motocross race, I have a feeling that the self-proclaimed "99%" would be the latter two-thirds of the pack who after the race would be at the awards building whining because they didn't get a trophy for participating.

Sarcasm aside, here's my personal opinion on Occupy Wall Street and their respective city protests... in the simplest terms I can express: If you truly cannot find a job, go create one (i.e. start your own business). When I was finishing college, I interviewed with a a handful of companies that looked promising and recruited quite a bit from our program... I made it past 1st and 2nd round interviews, but was never able to get an offer from any of them. So in my senior year I started a company and worked my ass off. We've been in business now for 3 years now and sub-contract half a dozen people on a regular basis. Everyone has value and something to contribute to society if they look at themselves hard enough and take advantage of their own unique strengths.

I couldn't get a job so I started my own company--creating a sustaining income for myself and half a dozen other people. I'm just an average guy that needed to find a way to support myself and have a purpose in life... more people need to understand that you're not going to get a job (or anything else worth having) by asking for it, you need to go out there and get after it.

FYI: Not saying my way is right or wrong, but based on my experience I can tell you it does work (pun intended).
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1/28/2012 6:56pm
I've said it many times on here. There are a ton of dirt bags that ride dirt bikes. You, Mr 911 exemplify that. I am out...
I've said it many times on here.

There are a ton of dirt bags that ride dirt bikes.

You, Mr 911 exemplify that.

I am out.
Enjoy your evening.
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So, people deserve to die, because.... they don't want people to die?
1911 wrote:
What??? I said they got an education.
People died. Stay classy!
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If OWS were a motocross race, I have a feeling that the self-proclaimed "99%" would be the latter two-thirds of the pack who after the race...
If OWS were a motocross race, I have a feeling that the self-proclaimed "99%" would be the latter two-thirds of the pack who after the race would be at the awards building whining because they didn't get a trophy for participating.

Sarcasm aside, here's my personal opinion on Occupy Wall Street and their respective city protests... in the simplest terms I can express: If you truly cannot find a job, go create one (i.e. start your own business). When I was finishing college, I interviewed with a a handful of companies that looked promising and recruited quite a bit from our program... I made it past 1st and 2nd round interviews, but was never able to get an offer from any of them. So in my senior year I started a company and worked my ass off. We've been in business now for 3 years now and sub-contract half a dozen people on a regular basis. Everyone has value and something to contribute to society if they look at themselves hard enough and take advantage of their own unique strengths.

I couldn't get a job so I started my own company--creating a sustaining income for myself and half a dozen other people. I'm just an average guy that needed to find a way to support myself and have a purpose in life... more people need to understand that you're not going to get a job (or anything else worth having) by asking for it, you need to go out there and get after it.

FYI: Not saying my way is right or wrong, but based on my experience I can tell you it does work (pun intended).
I believe the OWSers are protesting a system, not about just getting a job.
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1911 wrote:
What??? I said they got an education.
You are a fuck stick.
1/28/2012 7:04pm
Good on you MX Sports Medicine. I was begining to think this entire generation was DOA. The fact that someone is actually standing up and opening up their mouth about the unbridled greed in this country means there may be hope. We had three financial meltdowns in the last decade because of these giant pyramid schemes (bubbles) driven by greed. My sense is that the computer age has made it much easier for corporations, investors, and theives to skim money from working class people.

What does this have to do with motocross? Well for me, I haven't been able to buy a new bike since this latest meltdown started in '08 and I used to get a new one every year...
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musmanni wrote:
I believe the OWSers are protesting a system, not about just getting a job.
What do they plan to replace it with? How do they plan to replace it?

That's the problem I have with the protest.

I think the 99% vs 1% is good but the constant lack of forethought amazes me. You can't drop an entire system and then say, "Well lets start planning for a new system now" as the economy collapses do to uncertainty.
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1911 wrote:
What??? I said they got an education.
TerryB wrote:
You are a fuck stick.
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1911 wrote:
What??? I said they got an education.
TerryB wrote:
You are a fuck stick.
Hut wrote:
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Like that is something, I do not already know.Shocked
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we really are fucked! when the working class can't come together against people who pay for laws to extort money from us for their gain we will fail as a nation.
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1/28/2012 7:15pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2012 7:17pm
musmanni wrote:
I believe the OWSers are protesting a system, not about just getting a job.
Sherwood wrote:
What do they plan to replace it with? How do they plan to replace it? That's the problem I have with the protest. I think the...
What do they plan to replace it with? How do they plan to replace it?

That's the problem I have with the protest.

I think the 99% vs 1% is good but the constant lack of forethought amazes me. You can't drop an entire system and then say, "Well lets start planning for a new system now" as the economy collapses do to uncertainty.
This exact scenario has played out twice before. Once was the recession at the start of the 1900's after a financial bubble burst and the second was right after the 1920's financial bubble burst, causing the great depression.

Both those events caused OWS type movements. The early 1900 financial bust and subsequent working class movement started quite like the present OWS movement. People were angry and started acting out with no clear goals. Eventually leaders developed and organized the movement. The movement during and after the great depression started out with leadership due to many of the organizations from the previous movement still being in existence.

Since the 1950/60's large business has pretty much decimated the working class organizations, so we are back to square one. The protesters will need to keep at it until some leaders emerge.

If the OWSers give up before leadership emerges, the movement will die out.

edit: The two previous movements required quite a bit of violence and terrorism to make change. Hopefully it doesn't need to come to that this time around.
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musmanni wrote:
I believe the OWSers are protesting a system, not about just getting a job.
I understand that, but based on friends and friends of friends who I've seen participating... it's about them feeling let down by their higher education institution and their country as not providing them with the means to get a job--in other words, because they don't have a job. Why do you think most of the protests have taken place at colleges?
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NO SHIT! how the hell did this get here? i didnt even notice it until i got a txt about it lol
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thank you fine sir.
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ocscottie wrote:
NO SHIT! how the hell did this get here? i didnt even notice it until i got a txt about it lol
Please make it go Bye Bye.
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musmanni wrote:
I believe the OWSers are protesting a system, not about just getting a job.
4mxonly wrote:
I understand that, but based on friends and friends of friends who I've seen participating... it's about them feeling let down by their higher education institution...
I understand that, but based on friends and friends of friends who I've seen participating... it's about them feeling let down by their higher education institution and their country as not providing them with the means to get a job--in other words, because they don't have a job. Why do you think most of the protests have taken place at colleges?
I don't know if most of the protests have taken place at universities but that is typically how it goes. University students are young and ready to take on the world.

Older people, married, kids, with some assets to protect, typically become complacent and just want to keep the status quo.

The young are usually the ones who make change.
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Man, The media has SOOO distorted this awesome movement. I participate here in Denver and I tell you it's been a truly inspiring experience. I went...
Man,
The media has SOOO distorted this awesome movement. I participate here in Denver and I tell you it's been a truly inspiring experience. I went down with my family the other week and it was great. Nothing like the media shows. nothing. So we get home and I was excited to see it on the news. What they showed was criminal. I did not see a riot cop ALL day and it was the only thing the media showed. Occupy is about taking the USA back from a corrupt government and especially the ultra corrupt corporations that are fucking each and every one of us. I have never seen an occupy position that would go against a thing that Republicans and Democrats support. Believe me, its no different than that idiot reporter who went to the supercross and called them all pot smoking thugs.
It just ain't true. Occupy is straight up and I hope some of the things they are fighting for come to reality because this country is the worst off it has ever been and sinking fast.
Thanks for reading,
Andy
You said it in your first what? seven words? MEDIA has gotten way out of control. I don't think out fathers knew what was coming when they wrote the first amendment (First Amendment to the United States Constitution, regarding freedom of speech, freedom of the press, religious freedom, freedom of assembly, and right to petition)
People have the right but media drives it to another level be it good for the proposed agenda or be it blown way out of proportion which is majority media driven.
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1/28/2012 7:29pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2012 7:31pm
musmanni wrote:
This exact scenario has played out twice before. Once was the recession at the start of the 1900's after a financial bubble burst and the second...
This exact scenario has played out twice before. Once was the recession at the start of the 1900's after a financial bubble burst and the second was right after the 1920's financial bubble burst, causing the great depression.

Both those events caused OWS type movements. The early 1900 financial bust and subsequent working class movement started quite like the present OWS movement. People were angry and started acting out with no clear goals. Eventually leaders developed and organized the movement. The movement during and after the great depression started out with leadership due to many of the organizations from the previous movement still being in existence.

Since the 1950/60's large business has pretty much decimated the working class organizations, so we are back to square one. The protesters will need to keep at it until some leaders emerge.

If the OWSers give up before leadership emerges, the movement will die out.

edit: The two previous movements required quite a bit of violence and terrorism to make change. Hopefully it doesn't need to come to that this time around.
It has less to do with that and more to do with the fundamental shift of the job markets. Look back on the history of every major recession we're ever faced as a nation... each recession followed the end of an era--based on market demands and available skill to fit those markets through employed jobs. In the last decade we've seen a shift in GDP from manufacturing to information technology (i.e. the internet). With the disappearance of manufacturing-based jobs and the emerging information tech markets (compounded by generational-based populations), there is a gap that has yet to close. Once the country fully adapts to that shift in this new, specialized job demand, then the markets will return to equilibrium and unemployment will decline.
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1911 wrote:
In my opinion, those hippies at Kent state got an education.
Hippies??? Hello Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Pot. Calling someone else a hippy when you have a Grateful Dead Dancing Bear while living on "Shakedown Street"????
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musmanni wrote:
This exact scenario has played out twice before. Once was the recession at the start of the 1900's after a financial bubble burst and the second...
This exact scenario has played out twice before. Once was the recession at the start of the 1900's after a financial bubble burst and the second was right after the 1920's financial bubble burst, causing the great depression.

Both those events caused OWS type movements. The early 1900 financial bust and subsequent working class movement started quite like the present OWS movement. People were angry and started acting out with no clear goals. Eventually leaders developed and organized the movement. The movement during and after the great depression started out with leadership due to many of the organizations from the previous movement still being in existence.

Since the 1950/60's large business has pretty much decimated the working class organizations, so we are back to square one. The protesters will need to keep at it until some leaders emerge.

If the OWSers give up before leadership emerges, the movement will die out.

edit: The two previous movements required quite a bit of violence and terrorism to make change. Hopefully it doesn't need to come to that this time around.
4mxonly wrote:
It has less to do with that and more to do with the fundamental shift of the job markets. Look back on the history of every...
It has less to do with that and more to do with the fundamental shift of the job markets. Look back on the history of every major recession we're ever faced as a nation... each recession followed the end of an era--based on market demands and available skill to fit those markets through employed jobs. In the last decade we've seen a shift in GDP from manufacturing to information technology (i.e. the internet). With the disappearance of manufacturing-based jobs and the emerging information tech markets (compounded by generational-based populations), there is a gap that has yet to close. Once the country fully adapts to that shift in this new, specialized job demand, then the markets will return to equilibrium and unemployment will decline.
I'll agree with that. We do need to figure out what to do with the displaced workers in the meantime though. We can't really just take former manufacturing workers and make them into computer scientists or some other high-tech worker.
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musmanni wrote:
This exact scenario has played out twice before. Once was the recession at the start of the 1900's after a financial bubble burst and the second...
This exact scenario has played out twice before. Once was the recession at the start of the 1900's after a financial bubble burst and the second was right after the 1920's financial bubble burst, causing the great depression.

Both those events caused OWS type movements. The early 1900 financial bust and subsequent working class movement started quite like the present OWS movement. People were angry and started acting out with no clear goals. Eventually leaders developed and organized the movement. The movement during and after the great depression started out with leadership due to many of the organizations from the previous movement still being in existence.

Since the 1950/60's large business has pretty much decimated the working class organizations, so we are back to square one. The protesters will need to keep at it until some leaders emerge.

If the OWSers give up before leadership emerges, the movement will die out.

edit: The two previous movements required quite a bit of violence and terrorism to make change. Hopefully it doesn't need to come to that this time around.
I agree completely and will support it if it gets a leader and a plan. My one concern for them is that in today's cellphone, twitter technology if something dosen't make a splas quick people don't care. I think in the future they'll need to do something big to get people paying attention again.
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Hippies??? Hello Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Pot. Calling someone else a hippy when you have a Grateful Dead Dancing Bear while living on "Shakedown Street"????
Don't box me in. Tongue

Nothin shakin on shakedown street. used to be the heart of town.
Dont tell me this town aint got no heart. you just gotta poke around.
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I'll agree with that. We do need to figure out what to do with the displaced workers in the meantime though. We can't really just take...
I'll agree with that. We do need to figure out what to do with the displaced workers in the meantime though. We can't really just take former manufacturing workers and make them into computer scientists or some other high-tech worker.
Agreed. Among other things, I would say create incentives for large businesses (when I say large I'm talking 500 employee firms, not international conglomerates) to keep them in the U.S. and look to your state representatives and governor to represent your state's collective voice to provide a solution. Reason I say that is because not all states (or cities for that matter) have the same needs... take my home state of Michigan for example: On the East side you have the decaying motor-city of Detroit with displaced auto-manufacturing workers while on the West side you have Grand Rapids with an eclectic mix of young professionals who are creative and on the cutting edge of information tech. Let's un-complicate the nation-wide entanglement of mixed agendas and bickering that never seems to end, and look to our local government as a way to make positive changes in our own community. I think most people have the capacity and awareness to understand and influence the challenges they face at a local and regional level... it's the national issues that get's people arguing about things they hardly understand or have any influence on IMHO. Live timing is on for Oakland SX, gotta go, have a swell evening!

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