Who is the big name wearing JT Racing?

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Tbteam 12/7/2011 2:01pm
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burnside wrote:
I still need a bit more convincing with this JT comeback before I part with any ££s. The fact David Bailey has a foot in it...
I still need a bit more convincing with this JT comeback before I part with any ££s. The fact David Bailey has a foot in it might sway me, but if your asking me (the consumer) to buy into this nostalgic brand, I want a better story than "we liked the brand so we bought the license from some massive corporation". Doesn't make me feel all fuzzy and nostalgic.

I just want Shift to hurry up and re-release the black Emig gear from the late 90s! Thats some retro gear I will fork out for.
Your observation is very astute.

The foot that David Bailey had in it is no more. I can't really comment beyond that, other than to say that he has one of the greatest minds for designing gear and the refinement of the subtle nuances that make pants, gloves, boots, goggles, helmets, etc. work incredibly well, while at the same time looking awesome.

However, if no one listens to you...
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mccread 12/7/2011 2:08pm
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really?! Wow.

DB would have brought a lot to that brand, and certainly brings it a lot of credence,
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TX24 12/7/2011 2:16pm
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The clothing business is so crowded, I can't imagine any company looking at it as a market to get into.
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jasonv43 12/7/2011 2:17pm
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What about the JWR team? Or are they going with TLD?

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Crush 12/7/2011 2:28pm
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burnside wrote:
I still need a bit more convincing with this JT comeback before I part with any ££s. The fact David Bailey has a foot in it...
I still need a bit more convincing with this JT comeback before I part with any ££s. The fact David Bailey has a foot in it might sway me, but if your asking me (the consumer) to buy into this nostalgic brand, I want a better story than "we liked the brand so we bought the license from some massive corporation". Doesn't make me feel all fuzzy and nostalgic.

I just want Shift to hurry up and re-release the black Emig gear from the late 90s! Thats some retro gear I will fork out for.
I'd buy this in about two seconds if Shift released it... And I already have two sets of ridiculously sweet TLD gear...

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ML512 12/7/2011 2:29pm
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jasonv43 wrote:
What about the JWR team? Or are they going with TLD?
TLD... at least with JG.. im pretty sure its a team deal with chizzy too but i could be wrong...
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burnside wrote:
I still need a bit more convincing with this JT comeback before I part with any ££s. The fact David Bailey has a foot in it...
I still need a bit more convincing with this JT comeback before I part with any ££s. The fact David Bailey has a foot in it might sway me, but if your asking me (the consumer) to buy into this nostalgic brand, I want a better story than "we liked the brand so we bought the license from some massive corporation". Doesn't make me feel all fuzzy and nostalgic.

I just want Shift to hurry up and re-release the black Emig gear from the late 90s! Thats some retro gear I will fork out for.
Crush wrote:
I'd buy this in about two seconds if Shift released it... And I already have two sets of ridiculously sweet TLD gear... [img]https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6005/5985460439_9b4f287ff8_o.jpg[/img]
I'd buy this in about two seconds if Shift released it... And I already have two sets of ridiculously sweet TLD gear...

Shift has a jersey that resembles it this year, with a lil bit of green in it (H&H guys have been running it) looks pretty good...
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Scooter 12/7/2011 4:53pm
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mccread wrote:
How much is the JT stuff in £?
Adam934MX wrote:
It's $255 for pants, jersey, and gloves. So about £190. Which IMO it's not that far off from other gear manufacturers if it's good quality and...
It's $255 for pants, jersey, and gloves. So about £190.


Which IMO it's not that far off from other gear manufacturers if it's good quality and holds up.
$225.00 for Pants, Jersey and Gloves is right in line with all the other top brands. If this price is true, why are people saying JT costs too much?
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GuyB 12/7/2011 5:06pm
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jasonv43 wrote:
What about the JWR team? Or are they going with TLD?
ML512 wrote:
TLD... at least with JG.. im pretty sure its a team deal with chizzy too but i could be wrong...
When I talked to JG at ADITD, he wasn't for sure in TLD gear. I'd say he's a possibility.
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jmar 12/7/2011 5:11pm
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Who ever it is, it's going to turn out bad. Nostalgia has it limits, and the masses are not going to buy the old style JT gear.

I know some of you are going to tell me that I am wrong, and that's ok. But the truth is, there's not enough of you old guy's to pay the bills for JT to market to the masses.
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GuyB 12/7/2011 5:13pm
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The new stuff looks much better than the first year efforts.
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jmar 12/7/2011 5:23pm
12/7/2011 5:23pm Edited Date/Time 12/7/2011 5:47pm
GuyB wrote:
The new stuff looks much better than the first year efforts.
I haven't seen the new stuff, but it's silly to think that the old timers are enough of a market to keep up with the other companies.

You don't have to like what everyone is selliing, but it doesn't change the fact that it's the stuff that everyone is buying.
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mx317 12/7/2011 5:26pm
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I was around in the JT heyday and it was plenty cool because DB OShow, Glover, etc made it cool. If RV and RD came out wearing it, it would be cool in all the kid's eyes. It really does not turn this old guy on.
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burnside 12/7/2011 5:50pm
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Crush wrote:
I'd buy this in about two seconds if Shift released it... And I already have two sets of ridiculously sweet TLD gear... [img]https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6005/5985460439_9b4f287ff8_o.jpg[/img]
I'd buy this in about two seconds if Shift released it... And I already have two sets of ridiculously sweet TLD gear...

He hinted at it in one of Matthes podcasts! Funny this pic came up, cause unless my booze riddled brain is failing me, I think Matthes asked if he meant the camo ones and he said something like "no man, the black".
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Shenzi 12/7/2011 6:53pm
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I'd bet my left ball it's the MotoConcept team with the A-Broz.

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Crush wrote:
I'd buy this in about two seconds if Shift released it... And I already have two sets of ridiculously sweet TLD gear... [img]https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6005/5985460439_9b4f287ff8_o.jpg[/img]
I'd buy this in about two seconds if Shift released it... And I already have two sets of ridiculously sweet TLD gear...

They did release it.....I still have a set packed away in my garage....
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jasonv43 12/7/2011 7:15pm
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jasonv43 wrote:
What about the JWR team? Or are they going with TLD?
ML512 wrote:
TLD... at least with JG.. im pretty sure its a team deal with chizzy too but i could be wrong...
GuyB wrote:
When I talked to JG at ADITD, he wasn't for sure in TLD gear. I'd say he's a possibility.
Yeah pretty sure Jeff Ward is familiar with the brand.

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Motodude 12/7/2011 7:23pm
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burnside wrote:
I still need a bit more convincing with this JT comeback before I part with any ££s. The fact David Bailey has a foot in it...
I still need a bit more convincing with this JT comeback before I part with any ££s. The fact David Bailey has a foot in it might sway me, but if your asking me (the consumer) to buy into this nostalgic brand, I want a better story than "we liked the brand so we bought the license from some massive corporation". Doesn't make me feel all fuzzy and nostalgic.

I just want Shift to hurry up and re-release the black Emig gear from the late 90s! Thats some retro gear I will fork out for.
Tbteam wrote:
Your observation is very astute. The foot that David Bailey had in it is no more. I can't really comment beyond that, other than to say...
Your observation is very astute.

The foot that David Bailey had in it is no more. I can't really comment beyond that, other than to say that he has one of the greatest minds for designing gear and the refinement of the subtle nuances that make pants, gloves, boots, goggles, helmets, etc. work incredibly well, while at the same time looking awesome.

However, if no one listens to you...
Gimme a break, Bob Haro was the brains behind the legendary JT logo and subsequent designs. Bailey had little input actually very late in the piece mostly for name branding reason.

Current JT stuff, and I own and use it myself, needs to be of better basic design. Construction is ok, gloves too thin, jerseys not fitted well and that funky short zipper on the pants has gotta go.

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Motodude wrote:
Gimme a break, Bob Haro was the brains behind the legendary JT logo and subsequent designs. Bailey had little input actually very late in the piece...
Gimme a break, Bob Haro was the brains behind the legendary JT logo and subsequent designs. Bailey had little input actually very late in the piece mostly for name branding reason.

Current JT stuff, and I own and use it myself, needs to be of better basic design. Construction is ok, gloves too thin, jerseys not fitted well and that funky short zipper on the pants has gotta go.
I think you going head-to-head with tbteam on this one is a losing proposition.
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I wasn't around back then, but I've never heard that Bob Haro "was the brains behind the legendary JT logo". And my cousin worked for JT in the early 80's.
I did work with Haro on a design project in the 90's (and he's a great designer), but I think Motodude is mis-informed.
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mmcmx 12/7/2011 8:20pm
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I will buy a JT tee just to feel like an awesome moto geek wile parying. Thats it.
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mx295 12/7/2011 8:30pm
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Scott Champion will be wearing JT Gear Smile
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Motodude 12/7/2011 10:25pm
12/7/2011 10:25pm Edited Date/Time 12/7/2011 10:35pm
Haro was a graphics guy in the early days, we're talking 70's.

A guy named Chris was head designer responsible for the V2000, mouth trap etc.

Bailey ran a custom graphics service for the ALS helmets along with being involved in the development of it. To say David was a big wheel behind JT design is incorrect.
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jamma10 12/8/2011 2:01am
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mccread wrote:
How much is the JT stuff in £?
Adam934MX wrote:
It's $255 for pants, jersey, and gloves. So about £190. Which IMO it's not that far off from other gear manufacturers if it's good quality and...
It's $255 for pants, jersey, and gloves. So about £190.


Which IMO it's not that far off from other gear manufacturers if it's good quality and holds up.
Scooter wrote:
$225.00 for Pants, Jersey and Gloves is right in line with all the other top brands. If this price is true, why are people saying JT...
$225.00 for Pants, Jersey and Gloves is right in line with all the other top brands. If this price is true, why are people saying JT costs too much?
To be fair the prices do seem to have dropped now. When the new stuff first came out over here they were charging more like $390 for the kit! I see RRP in the UK is now £199 ($313), though there are places selling it on offer for £179.00 which is more in line with FOX and Troylee etc.
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burnside 12/8/2011 4:14am
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mmcmx wrote:
I will buy a JT tee just to feel like an awesome moto geek wile parying. Thats it.
Gotta say the apparel does look cool!
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Tbteam 12/8/2011 6:03am
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Motodude wrote:
Haro was a graphics guy in the early days, we're talking 70's. A guy named Chris was head designer responsible for the V2000, mouth trap etc...
Haro was a graphics guy in the early days, we're talking 70's.

A guy named Chris was head designer responsible for the V2000, mouth trap etc.

Bailey ran a custom graphics service for the ALS helmets along with being involved in the development of it. To say David was a big wheel behind JT design is incorrect.
First of all, we are talking about two different things. You are talking in the past (and you are inaccurate, even at that), and I am talking about today's company, in which David has spent the past year being pretty deeply involved with, in a creative director position.

In the old days, DB and some very well known guys in the industry spent time as designers at JT (Marc Blanchard ring a bell?). Their designs (including DB ) went well beyond the ALS helmets. I know this because I spent a few days there watching them work, and listening to JMB talk about what he's like to see in the product. You must be speaking of David's years after JT when he did some custom helmet painting for some of the guys. Nobody said David was a big wheel at JT back then. Go back and read the posts.

Now let's talk about today. JT designs and launches its brand. The designs aren't up to par, and everyone knows it. DB is brought in with some very specific ideas on how to right the ship, and in spite of being told that he has the power to make it right, he is thwarted at every turn as he brings creative input that would bring the brand into the sweet spot that a company with a history like JT would need to find to be successful and relevant.

I have nothing against the guys at JT now. Don't know them. I was really excited that they were coming back, and I was really excited when I heard what DB was pitching on the product development side. Now, not so much.
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JTJonnyRich 12/8/2011 9:54am
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Some of the stuff in this thread is soo inaccurate! Its funny!

Just know that we read this and take in all the suggestions both positive and negative and will be sure to consider them in future product development.

As for riders! SIt tight! We are announcing soon!!!!!
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DJBobbyD 12/8/2011 10:02am
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I have 3 sets of the gear and I think it's great. The prices are right about the same as all the other high end gear and I really think the JT stuff is built better. I like that it's plain and has less plastic crap to weigh it down. Man I really don't know why anybody would bash any Moto company unless they had been totally F'ed over by them? Some posts I read it's like the person has an agenda to destroy the whole sport....just a bummer so many are so negative sometimes? I don't know about you guys but I'm going to promote and enjoy our sport while we have it.
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englishman 12/8/2011 10:05am
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JTJonnyRich wrote:
Some of the stuff in this thread is soo inaccurate! Its funny! Just know that we read this and take in all the suggestions both positive...
Some of the stuff in this thread is soo inaccurate! Its funny!

Just know that we read this and take in all the suggestions both positive and negative and will be sure to consider them in future product development.

As for riders! SIt tight! We are announcing soon!!!!!
"take in all the suggestions"

I suggest you supply a 40 + old dude who lives in Carlsbad & races most weeks with unlimited amounts of gear, pm me for address.
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JTJonnyRich 12/8/2011 10:29am
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JTJonnyRich wrote:
Some of the stuff in this thread is soo inaccurate! Its funny! Just know that we read this and take in all the suggestions both positive...
Some of the stuff in this thread is soo inaccurate! Its funny!

Just know that we read this and take in all the suggestions both positive and negative and will be sure to consider them in future product development.

As for riders! SIt tight! We are announcing soon!!!!!
englishman wrote:
[i]"take in all the suggestions"[/i] I suggest you supply a 40 + old dude who lives in Carlsbad & races most weeks with unlimited amounts of...
"take in all the suggestions"

I suggest you supply a 40 + old dude who lives in Carlsbad & races most weeks with unlimited amounts of gear, pm me for address.
HAHAHA....sit tight....Im heading down now. Wink

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