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Wasn't very long ago dirt bike transactions never involved a title or even bill of sale, I still don't bother with it.
I did this exact thing once and it turns out the guy was actually a cop.
Or you could have him call me personally. I am illegally practicing law without a degree, so I should be able to straighten this whole thing out very quickly.
Takes the bike away and rides it for a weeks. Now decides he wants his money back.
Knowing it was a sound, sale. He dug through the files to check up. (which he should have done at the time!)
Then, as he knows that being a buyer, it is down to him to manage everything..
Uses his position as a police officer to intimidate you..
You even offer this guy a refund, after it's probably been hammered..
Still in an attempt to solve the issue/ miss use of position of power,
Turns down your offers to return the bike. (Why the F are you still doing that, btw!)
Like many have said. Get all of his details, make a detailed account of the situation.
Keep all contact you've had with him. Hell, even record voice communication!
Show all accounts he's failed to work to get the issue ressolved and I'm sure things will go in your favour.
Then, if you can be bothered, slap misconduct of position on him. Then the only one to be intimated will be him.
Or, option two: Call him back and say the sales a done deal. You looked at the paper work on purcase and found no faults, so piss off. Then, when he attempts to retaliate, bang on "F$CK THE POLICE" and leave it at that.
Sellers rights!
If the idiot's a cop, he or his cronnies woulda been back to arrest you if it the bike were stolen in the first place the next day.
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Secretly snap a cell phone picture of his face... if he does.
Was hoping to hear how it turned out.
I spoke to an attorney that is a member of my local motorcycle club to seek some friendly advice. The first point he made was that the bike is closed-course competition only and does not need registration in Illinois. Secondly, he made a point that the buyer should have made a better inspection of the papers at the time of closing and should have requested a bill of sale if he was unsure. The attorney had not much to say about why the buyer later refused to sign a bill of sale after requesting one. The attorney did not feel that I had any wrong-doing and it is just an unfortunate situation. He mentioned the buyer should have filed a complaint through the DMV for review.
Yesterday, the buyer contacted me again and said he would be coming buy wednesday to settle up. I again refused and I mentioned to him that I had advise from an attorney not to return his money and I told him the points the attorney made. I think the buyer took that as a personal attack because he is now asking for my attorney's information. I'm not sure if he is wanting to file a lawsuit or what. I only approached the attorney and seeked his advice because we were mutual friends through an organization. It was not a formal consultation in his law office, which I told to the buyer as well. I am not sure where it will go from here.
1. Unless the bike turns out to be stolen, the dispute of a private sale is a civil matter, not criminal. If he's a LEO he knows this.
2. If he did determine the bike was stolen, it's no longer between you and him. He is in procession of stolen property and returning it to get his money back is not an option. He would be required to surrender the bike and the police would already be at your door. Getting his money back would still be a civil court issue.
3. Illinois does not require a bill of sale, and even in states that do, the buyer is not required to sign it. The buyer's information is listed, but only the seller signs it. Paperwork errors happen all the time. They can be corrected.
4. Your lawyer's name is none of his business. He's not going to sue your lawyer. He's already got your name and address.
If he contacts you again, tell him you've made a fair and reasonable effort to resolve the paperwork issue and you will continue to do so. However, he's had possession of the bike for over a month and the sale is final. Ask for his name, address, badge number, agency or department and supervisor's name. Tell him any further direct contact regarding a refund will be considered harassment. If he feels he has a civil case, then he needs to take the appropriate actions through the courts.
You'll probably never hear from him again, but start a file of any documents you have. Write down dates, times and what was said / done while it's still fresh. This can all be used later. You didn't say the value of the bike. I'm guessing it is below the small claims court threshold. If he flashed a badge to bully you into a refund, he does not want a judge to hear your side of the story. Go enjoy your new garage.
certainly not worth the loss of sleep.
Goodluck kid, keep us informed
I'm still in awe about some jackass like that , buying a bike from a dude , beating the shit out of it for a month.....then trying to force the previous owner to buy it back! That's pathetic! One thing I can't stand , are cops with attitudes. I have friends that are officers out here in Oregon ( one who is partially retired from 25 years as a state cop....now a detective)......and none of them act like the way this fool does!
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People call the police for phone harassment all the time, you got one that claims to be leo so they may be little more interested in him than an ex-spouse that keeps calling.
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