bet james is wondering wtfwit when he told lb to get lost

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FastEddy 10/12/2011 11:48am
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Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we...
Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we want to see. If we don't get it, our allegences go elsewhere - goes for sponsors too...
Next time I see James...
I'm gonna be like....yo James I buy a lot of Red Bull and I have worn Answer gear for many years.
I also have owned tons of Yamaha products.I have bought many Bell helmets.
I own many pairs of Oakleys and also Nikes.
With that said and all taken into consideration....I'm entitled to ask for what I want to see!
I want to watch you rastle one of them Alligators over there in the pond!
My allegiances go elsewhere if you do not comply.
How do you think that will go over? Smile


If you are wondering what my point is....
My point is...if he doesn't think something is not a good idea,he isn't gonna do it,regardless of what his fans want and think are good ideas.
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I was referring to sponsors.

I'd guess James is doing all right on the sponsor front. Fans come and go. Win some races, and people forget pretty fast.

What cracks me up is when fans act like they're paying him or his bills.
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FastEddy 10/12/2011 12:03pm
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"What cracks me up is when fans act like they're paying him or his bills."

I assume a big part of the reason why his 10million in endorsements are there is because of what he has already achieved & accomplished in this sport (it's a big part of what makes him marketed-able). Not because once Red Bull had signed him, every James Stewart fan started drinking Red Bull and their sales through the roof.I highly doubt their sales changed that much at all.
Same could be said with Yamaha,Answer,Bell,Nike,Oakley etc..
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Faceaz 10/12/2011 1:19pm
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I thought Serg took put allot of blame on himself, saying he was not able to get the bike to work how Stewart wanted. Also that...
I thought Serg took put allot of blame on himself, saying he was not able to get the bike to work how Stewart wanted. Also that he was pretty overwhelmed after LB was let go because he had to take over all of the bikes development - not just suspension.
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"[b]not just suspension[/b]" [i]they tried all sorts of suspension [b]etc[/b]..with no response[/i] And yes the suspension was a major issue in the whole L&M fiasco along...
"not just suspension"
they tried all sorts of suspension etc..with no response
And yes the suspension was a major issue in the whole L&M fiasco along with a few other things.

"I thought Serg took put allot of blame on himself, saying he was not able to get the bike to work how Stewart wanted."
He prolly did put a lot of the blame on himself after Brooks was 86th...who else was there to blame?

"Also that he was pretty overwhelmed after LB was let go because he had to take over all of the bikes development"
Something tells me he may have possibly knew a lot more about what was going on and what was to come, then what he had stated.

He seemed to tell an easy story.
I enjoyed reading his interview....
But like I said before,it seemed a pretty sugar coated to me.

The one thing that no one has answered is, where the heck Yamaha was in all of this?
LB & Yamaha always had a close relationship from what I could always tell....
James was personally under contract Yamaha and you would think they would have had someone else also working on the bikes development or maybe had something to offer.Especially when he is their top SX rider..,.and a bike like that is in the public's eye every weekend. He brought in his own development guy in also.....which is sorta odd to me.
If the problems with the bike were really so bad & Brooks fault,what was Yamaha's take on all that?
Or did they not even want to be involved?
You would think the guy developing the bike would have some answers to these questions.
He put blame on himself for not getting the bike to do what Stewart wanted, seems that was happening from pretty much his date of hire.

The question about where Yamaha was has been answered in interviews also, everyone says they have plenty of resources available to the teams. My feeling is, this is what happens when you don't have a factory team. IMO a factory team provides basically a baseline of knowledge. Not having their own data to fall back on & relying on 4 teams, that are all going in 4 different directions, stifles development. It's my opinion, watching what happens with Suzuki in the next couple years will either support it or prove it wrong.

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[i]"What cracks me up is when fans act like they're paying him or his bills."[/i] I assume a big part of the reason why his 10million...
"What cracks me up is when fans act like they're paying him or his bills."

I assume a big part of the reason why his 10million in endorsements are there is because of what he has already achieved & accomplished in this sport (it's a big part of what makes him marketed-able). Not because once Red Bull had signed him, every James Stewart fan started drinking Red Bull and their sales through the roof.I highly doubt their sales changed that much at all.
Same could be said with Yamaha,Answer,Bell,Nike,Oakley etc..
I'm not sure it's the case for all his sponsors, but he does move the needle when it comes to sales for some of the companies that I've talked to.
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Bob, I bet he isn't.
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FastEddy wrote:
[i]"What cracks me up is when fans act like they're paying him or his bills."[/i] I assume a big part of the reason why his 10million...
"What cracks me up is when fans act like they're paying him or his bills."

I assume a big part of the reason why his 10million in endorsements are there is because of what he has already achieved & accomplished in this sport (it's a big part of what makes him marketed-able). Not because once Red Bull had signed him, every James Stewart fan started drinking Red Bull and their sales through the roof.I highly doubt their sales changed that much at all.
Same could be said with Yamaha,Answer,Bell,Nike,Oakley etc..
GuyB wrote:
I'm not sure it's the case for all his sponsors, but he does move the needle when it comes to sales for some of the companies...
I'm not sure it's the case for all his sponsors, but he does move the needle when it comes to sales for some of the companies that I've talked to.
Like great "crash gear"? Maybe indestructible helmets and lawn dart supplies? Vagasil has increased sales by 23%.

He's helping out companies one crash at a time.
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Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we...
Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we want to see. If we don't get it, our allegences go elsewhere - goes for sponsors too...
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Next time I see James... I'm gonna be like....[i]yo[/i] James I buy a lot of Red Bull and I have worn Answer gear for many years...
Next time I see James...
I'm gonna be like....yo James I buy a lot of Red Bull and I have worn Answer gear for many years.
I also have owned tons of Yamaha products.I have bought many Bell helmets.
I own many pairs of Oakleys and also Nikes.
With that said and all taken into consideration....I'm entitled to ask for what I want to see!
I want to watch you rastle one of them Alligators over there in the pond!
My allegiances go elsewhere if you do not comply.
How do you think that will go over? Smile


If you are wondering what my point is....
My point is...if he doesn't think something is not a good idea,he isn't gonna do it,regardless of what his fans want and think are good ideas.
I think contrary to what 10 or 15 Vital members think he has a tremendous amount of fans that are not going anywhere , has the longest autograph line and had the most cheers at many of the Supercross stops from what I here.

I say good for him, when you get to be the rider with the third most wins out of any rider ever in the history of the sport I would say he has earned it.

It cracks me up when people say if a rider does not do what I want them to do I'm not going to like them anymore. I think the top riders know that while they are one of the best there is always going to be people that don't like them.
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Like great "crash gear"? Maybe indestructible helmets and lawn dart supplies? Vagasil has increased sales by 23%.

He's helping out companies one crash at a time.
23%? Who knew that forum members were so susceptible? Wink
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larry leaving, almost like a deep cut in a rope...then the unraveling begins. nobody can dispute the fact that if lb was still in charge james...
larry leaving, almost like a deep cut in a rope...then the unraveling begins. nobody can dispute the fact that if lb was still in charge james would have had a much better chance at the sx title and the mec this weekend. i wonder how much money he lost this year due to that bidness decision? jse can't be too happy i suspect
Whatever freak!!! Brooks has to be getting tired of you hanging from his nuts!
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jeffro503 wrote:
Like great "crash gear"? Maybe indestructible helmets and lawn dart supplies? Vagasil has increased sales by 23%.

He's helping out companies one crash at a time.
GuyB wrote:
23%? Who knew that forum members were so susceptible? Wink
Well the moral majority of the members on Vital do have SIVS (Sand In Vagina Syndrome) and from what I've been told, Vagasil works wonders for treating that particular malady. GuyB, maybe you can comment on the actual effectiveness, no??
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GuyB 10/12/2011 1:57pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Like great "crash gear"? Maybe indestructible helmets and lawn dart supplies? Vagasil has increased sales by 23%.

He's helping out companies one crash at a time.
GuyB wrote:
23%? Who knew that forum members were so susceptible? Wink
SuperCerdo wrote:
Well the moral majority of the members on Vital do have SIVS (Sand In Vagina Syndrome) and from what I've been told, Vagasil works wonders for...
Well the moral majority of the members on Vital do have SIVS (Sand In Vagina Syndrome) and from what I've been told, Vagasil works wonders for treating that particular malady. GuyB, maybe you can comment on the actual effectiveness, no??
It obviously hasn't prevented some members from being complete douchebags. But that's another topic. And another product.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Like great "crash gear"? Maybe indestructible helmets and lawn dart supplies? Vagasil has increased sales by 23%.

He's helping out companies one crash at a time.
GuyB wrote:
23%? Who knew that forum members were so susceptible? Wink
Exactly! I think the 23% in increased Vagasil sales is for the fans that whine and cry about every little thing he does or doesn't do.
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FastEddy 10/12/2011 2:02pm
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He put blame on himself for not getting the bike to do what Stewart wanted, seems that was happening from pretty much his date of hire...
He put blame on himself for not getting the bike to do what Stewart wanted, seems that was happening from pretty much his date of hire.

The question about where Yamaha was has been answered in interviews also, everyone says they have plenty of resources available to the teams. My feeling is, this is what happens when you don't have a factory team. IMO a factory team provides basically a baseline of knowledge. Not having their own data to fall back on & relying on 4 teams, that are all going in 4 different directions, stifles development. It's my opinion, watching what happens with Suzuki in the next couple years will either support it or prove it wrong.
"He put blame on himself for not getting the bike to do what Stewart wanted, seems that was happening from pretty much his date of hire."
Why did Big James go to Mike and convince him LB was the problem with the bike all along,if it was Serg's fault and he was blaming himself? Makes no sense to me...
I have heard that from a couple people that were close to the situation,that Big James was mostly the one who convinced Mike.

"The question about where Yamaha was has been answered in interviews also"

In what interview?
Would love to read it....
So where were they then as far development?
Did they say,yeah go head take our bike #1 bike in SX that is in the public eye week in & week out and do what you want with engineering and if you make us look bad,we dont care...? Because that is what happened. That is not how those companies usually work... unless Yamaha is going down hill big time.
In fact ,normally Yamaha doesn't play around when it comes to their products, especially stuff that is in the public eye.
Would love to see this interview you speak of.
Shoot,in their marine division they have a strangle hold all the way to the techs at service centers, at least they used to.
People used to get fired when shit goes wrong with stuff that is in the public's eye..demo boats etc..

What was their take on Brooks leaving...I know they were close with him?
Would love to read that interview also...
What was their take on what the REAL problem with the bike was?
Or did they just blow it off and not care?
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i remember back when the indians ruled the land!
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I've seen it in several interviews & even comments from people here on the board. I remember GuyB stating Yamaha had a bunch of techs at the races helping out. Personally, I don't buy the Big James thing for a minute. I remember the first SX he crashed out of on the yz, cameras were all over JS, LB was trying to calm him down, but the look of frustration JS had towards LB was unmistakable.
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FastEddy 10/12/2011 2:24pm
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I've seen it in several interviews & even comments from people here on the board. I remember GuyB stating Yamaha had a bunch of techs at...
I've seen it in several interviews & even comments from people here on the board. I remember GuyB stating Yamaha had a bunch of techs at the races helping out. Personally, I don't buy the Big James thing for a minute. I remember the first SX he crashed out of on the yz, cameras were all over JS, LB was trying to calm him down, but the look of frustration JS had towards LB was unmistakable.
Who was it they interviewed?
I read this board every day & also RacerX & TWMX ...I never seen 1 thing posted as to what Yamaha's take was on all this.
Even Matthes a couple weeks back was asking about Yamaha and where were they in all this...
And yes Yamaha Techs are at the races & practice tracks etc...and even out at James personal track.
But that doesn't give me their take on all this...

As for Big James...
This was the first email I got regarding it, from someone in the know...
Who I will leave anonymous...

"Long story and it would take too long to type.
If you want to call me i'd tell ya more. (Number removed)
JBS (mostly big james) threw LB out and convinced Kranyak that the prob with bikes was LB. Tried PC, FC, Showa, and bike didnt respond. lots more but like I said to much to type."

I also got pretty much the same story from a couple more people that were even closer to the situation.
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all LB had to do is make that yamaha ride like a kawi and he woulda been gold!

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Faceaz 10/12/2011 2:42pm
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I've seen it in several interviews & even comments from people here on the board. I remember GuyB stating Yamaha had a bunch of techs at...
I've seen it in several interviews & even comments from people here on the board. I remember GuyB stating Yamaha had a bunch of techs at the races helping out. Personally, I don't buy the Big James thing for a minute. I remember the first SX he crashed out of on the yz, cameras were all over JS, LB was trying to calm him down, but the look of frustration JS had towards LB was unmistakable.
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Who was it they interviewed? I read this board every day & also RacerX & TWMX ...I never seen 1 thing posted as to what Yamaha's...
Who was it they interviewed?
I read this board every day & also RacerX & TWMX ...I never seen 1 thing posted as to what Yamaha's take was on all this.
Even Matthes a couple weeks back was asking about Yamaha and where were they in all this...
And yes Yamaha Techs are at the races & practice tracks etc...and even out at James personal track.
But that doesn't give me their take on all this...

As for Big James...
This was the first email I got regarding it, from someone in the know...
Who I will leave anonymous...

"Long story and it would take too long to type.
If you want to call me i'd tell ya more. (Number removed)
JBS (mostly big james) threw LB out and convinced Kranyak that the prob with bikes was LB. Tried PC, FC, Showa, and bike didnt respond. lots more but like I said to much to type."

I also got pretty much the same story from a couple more people that were even closer to the situation.
I'm saying they have people available, which has been in interviews & you seem to agree with. I doubt we'll ever get any comment directly from them. Don't you think it's a bit embarrasing for them? But I'm wonderring how much capacity they've lost by not having a factory team. You have Motoconcepts & Valli doing their things, JGR obviously doing things that nobody else is & L&M. It's not Yamaha's job to make them conform, only to provide support. Either the support wasn't good or the direction the team took wasn't good - I would think both. With 4 teams going 4 different directions, what exactly is Yamaha falling back on for knowledge?
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carlosmacho 10/12/2011 2:49pm
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That's funny, James doesn't go to McDonald's and tell you how to do your job.
carlosmacho wrote:
If he made my hamburger wrong I would tell him how to make it.
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Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we...
Also, James does not pay us to watch him, we pay to watch him. We are the customers, we are entitled to ask for what we want to see. If we don't get it, our allegences go elsewhere - goes for sponsors too...
we buy his sponsorsstuff who then pays james . Indirect yes but if no one buys the stuff James does not get paid
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carlosmacho 10/12/2011 2:52pm
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I was referring to sponsors. I'd guess James is doing all right on the sponsor front. Fans come and go. Win some races, and people forget...
I was referring to sponsors.

I'd guess James is doing all right on the sponsor front. Fans come and go. Win some races, and people forget pretty fast.

What cracks me up is when fans act like they're paying him or his bills.
He better do what I say or I will quit buying his sponsors stuff :-)
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I'm saying they have people available, which has been in interviews & you seem to agree with. I doubt we'll ever get any comment directly from...
I'm saying they have people available, which has been in interviews & you seem to agree with. I doubt we'll ever get any comment directly from them. Don't you think it's a bit embarrasing for them? But I'm wonderring how much capacity they've lost by not having a factory team. You have Motoconcepts & Valli doing their things, JGR obviously doing things that nobody else is & L&M. It's not Yamaha's job to make them conform, only to provide support. Either the support wasn't good or the direction the team took wasn't good - I would think both. With 4 teams going 4 different directions, what exactly is Yamaha falling back on for knowledge?
Yes everyone knows they were present...but where were they in all this (meaning the LB fiasco) is what I was saying all along,not where would they physically show up at. lol
It is unlike them to turn a blind eye to someone bringing in an outside guy for development purposes....you would think.
Then the firing of a Team manager who they have had a VERY close relationship with in the past and not having any say in it.Especially when it is their #1/top bike in this sport...
James was under personal contract with them,he was their NUMBER 1 guy,he wasn't just a support guy. JGR,MC & Valli are just support teams,their riders are not personally contracted with Yamaha,like James was.James was their Factory guy contracted by them riding under the L&M tent.
Mike never mentioned one word about them regarding this matter,neither did Serg in their interviews.
LB has never mentioned where they were either,nor has James or anyone for that matter.
Seems they would be in the know.....aye? One reason why I said Sergs interview seemed pretty sugar coated.
Like I said before, no one has answered the questions...
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sorby out there to help clear things up?

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sorby out there to help clear things up?

:-)
Last I know he was getting a pedicure Pinch getting ready for Cancun. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Bidness as usual eh Bobby?....Grinning
Kind of fucked up for you to throw that in there bobby.

Either way, if he didn't like Larry Brooks he was probably happy that he was gone, title or no title. At this point I don't think it's about titles for James. I hate to say that, but that is the way that it seems at this point.


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That's funny, James doesn't go to McDonald's and tell you how to do your job.
It might be only a matter of time before he does.

I did hear he got in a little trouble trying to show a car load of cops how to do their job.

Since he got his own tv show Bubba has been a little confused.

He thinks he is the Mike Roe of Moto.

WIth all his free time he has to find something to do.
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Just when I thought your shitty posts couldn't get any dumber. [img]http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/picture/jayfootball72/EnglishMotherFuker.png[/img]
Just when I thought your shitty posts couldn't get any dumber.
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I just wanted to get on the Bobby train before it leaves the station...hey I worked for Pepsi back in the day and yes you could...
I just wanted to get on the Bobby train before it leaves the station...hey I worked for Pepsi back in the day and yes you could get fired for drinking coke! I came walking in the office not knowing about the rule, heck i thought they were joking.....
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Hear that Jeffro? Those are the rules. You break them and you don't get paid. Do you think Pepsi pays their employees their salary for the...
Hear that Jeffro? Those are the rules. You break them and you don't get paid. Do you think Pepsi pays their employees their salary for the rest of the year if they get caught knowingly breaking the rules? Aren't you a business owner? Would your guy $750,000 that you don't have to after he broke your contract?
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I know what Chad did was wrong and against the rules. But it was a really petty thing to do. It seemed Chad wanted to get some kind of testing done and get a head start. His season with L&M was already over and had no reason to ride the L&M bike any more. The $750,000 Mike / Larry / Team L&M kept was just to "Spite" Chad.

I can''t believe some of you guys are siding with a team / owner / manager that willingly stole $750,000 from a rider. Yeah , a rule was broke. But Jesus Christ.......was it worth fining him $750,000?

It's like filing for divorce , and you get caught cheating with another woman.( But the papers were already filed ) Is it really cheating when you know you aren't getting back together with the woman you are divorcing? The paper work just hasn't gone through yet? You aren't allowed to move forward with your life until a certain date?

And like I said , I'm glad James dumped Larry. He had a couple bad years , but I bet he gets his shit strait for this next season and starts to show what he's capable of.
How is it stealing? There are terms to a contract that if broken make it null and void. Plenty of Pro athletes are forbidden from riding motorcycles in their contracts.....many years ago Jeff Kent of the SF Giants broke his wrist "washing his truck" and missed like half a season, while getting paid of course. He rides GNCCs! But if you have a guy under contract and he does something to break it? Yamaha took away part of RJ's pay when he was photo'd riding the CR's while still under contract. Who wants to pay someone who isn't living up to expectations and is out courting other suitors under your nose? Reed can be kind of a shit too.

Funny how Reedy also had a problem with another team manager (Fisher) during a year where he was collecting big bucks and under-performing (how does a neck injury become Epstein Barr anyway?). I don't like Brooks but don't see that he was the one in the wrong there. In the end they settled, and that's pretty much how our F'd up system works. I find it sickening that no one has enough honor to live by their commitments and need contracts to force them to abide by them to begin with, but then to go out and knowingly break it and ride something else? They all do it though. As if Dungey never rode a KTM until Ocober 1, 2011.
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RaceFace 10/12/2011 6:33pm
10/12/2011 6:33pm
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:P Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL IMO, the best interview on this...
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Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL

IMO, the best interview on this came recently from Stewarts Suspension Guy. He said the decision was made by Mike & James, they came out of a meeting and let LB go.
So how does James and Kraynak coming out of a meeting together with this decision become Kraynak having legal ramblings against James? Something says that isn't how it went down.

L&M is still an entity (without Larry) yet it disappeared from James' semi, but the San Manuel logos remained, but now L&M is still a team but with no James and he is somehow out of his Yamaha contract? Doesn't add up.
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Faceaz 10/12/2011 6:38pm
10/12/2011 6:38pm
Faceaz wrote:
:P Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL IMO, the best interview on this...
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Oh... & there's no way Dungey is going to KTM because he's sick of being in DeCoster's shadow.. LOL

IMO, the best interview on this came recently from Stewarts Suspension Guy. He said the decision was made by Mike & James, they came out of a meeting and let LB go.
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So how does James and Kraynak coming out of a meeting together with this decision become Kraynak having legal ramblings against James? Something says that isn't...
So how does James and Kraynak coming out of a meeting together with this decision become Kraynak having legal ramblings against James? Something says that isn't how it went down.

L&M is still an entity (without Larry) yet it disappeared from James' semi, but the San Manuel logos remained, but now L&M is still a team but with no James and he is somehow out of his Yamaha contract? Doesn't add up.
James finished out the season on Yamaha. I believe the legal ramblings are in regards to Stewart exiting L&M, which didn't happen till well after LB left.

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