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very few people will be able to not be biased and drop brand, team, country or whatever.....
very few are real mxfans and are able to give credit to riders by only their ability to race a bike.....
just look at how many rate rattray under baggett, and in fact tyla beat blake in sx and in mx, racing the american series and on the same bike..... still many think baggett is better......!!!!!!!!!
This... and it happens every year and yes, Americans notice.
The only reason a person keeps coming back year after year they have been beaten to say they are the best are people who are insecure and know it is not true. You don't see Americans going over to Euro boards boasting they are better, because the facts speak for themselves, so they don't have to do it..
I say until the race here they are not really world champions. Rattray is not a real "world" champion, he has not won in America after how many years? Most of our top tallent has already moved on to the 450s since he started racing here.
Now don't get me wrong, I respect him, and he has done very well in the 250 class this year but just it does show that our rookies are better than the so called "world champions" just stating the facts with no disrespect to the riders (but with disrespect to those who come here to this board and say FIM racers are on the same level as Americans).
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It is not fair to judge guys just in your own country. That is why I based it on the World Championship, and Tommy was flying this year. Yet again you arrogance and national pride make you look stupid. Judging riders based on how they do in only your country is retarded it gives the US guys a big advantage. I stick by list based on the reasons stated, the fact you just base it on how people do in your own country shows your stupidity.
Bottom line is all those guys are awesome and the level is similar no matter what series.
You said it yourself ... you are patriotic to your country... so obviously your are biased that is why your opinion is so deluded. I have no country bias and neither series represent me.
When you say "they" have been beaten what are you talking about? I really hope you don't mean Europe and the Des Nations.... because Europe don't race the nations! Again your lack of intelligiance is confusing two separate arguments. Also if you want to play it like that.... the best European rider from each class beat the US score... if that is the way you want to judge it.
Also only one American won one of the major championships this year! yet you are arrogant enough to still think you are superior to individual top riders from other countries and those that ride in thw world championship. Amazing.
Just accept the World championship is just as good as the AMA series and riders from countries outside the USA can be just as good as the top Americans.
That is what many of you guys don't get. For a European or European based rider it isn't easy, and the same goes for guys like Brown, Lackey, and others. Ask some of these young American kids who come and race in Europe, living in a lifestyle they have never experienced. Talk to Michael Leib about how difficult it is when you don't get the support you want, or ask Jeff Dement or Jimmy Button, or Billy Liles.
Changing a series isn't easy and instead of pointing out how Tommy did (finished second in a moto behind Pourcel before he got injured), think about what Searle has done in the MXoN in recent years. Second to Villopoto in 2007, second to Villopoto in 2008 and just a single point from winning the MX2 overall, 4th overall in 2009 ahead of Metcalfe and Wiemer, third in MX1 in 2011 behind Villopoto and Rattray and ahead of Reed. That is what I look at my old friend, not a result when he spend most of the season injured and that is why I rate Searle third in my MX2 list.
The best riders are all really good and are going to be competitive against each other. Some tracks will favor some guys over others, but they're all competent and I think it plays out based on the track, not where the track is located.
Yet our riders go to Europe to race MXON tracks they have never seen before and still win. Probably because they are the fastest riders on the world and can adapt to any riding condition and it does not take them years.
Lets stop rehashing this and wait till next year and see if your riders are the fastest in the sand on a track no American has raced on.
Geoff, sorry to hear that the 'industry insiders' 'don't think I have a clue'. Mmmm-kay. Funny thing is, I've told you things that you didn't even know though haven't I? So what does that say about you?
You are right though that I don't go to many GPs. That's because I think they're shite. But then, 'I don't have a clue' so what do I know?
I did go to Glen Helen though. Which was quite a long way to go really. And I bought you dinner didn't I? Or was that at the Italian MXdN? Glen Helen was great. Apart from the holidaymakers riding round at the back in the 'world championship' that were 40 seconds a lap slower. Creme de la creme eh mate?
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BMan-
It is arrogant to say riders who aren't from my country are as good as American riders who also aren't from my country ?!
What is a Euro forum?!
Europe is not a country! give some respect to people's nationalities.
It is arrogant to say say that if the top Americans raced the World CHampionship Cairoli and the top GP riders would be on a similar level and that the US guys wouldn't be on another level?! wow. I don't think you understand the term arrogant.... let me help your retarded brain....." offensive display of superiority or self - importance; overbearing pride" That description defines you perfectly.
No mate, you are right, you don't need to go to races if they are crap. Been some shitty GPs this year for sure. In fact Matterley Basin was really crap, bloody hell Rob, are you still into MX.
Oh, Latvia was also crap, and Valkenswaard, and that bloody stupid little race they had in France a month ago. Talk about crap. If you can't see that the racing this year and the high qualify of competition is brilliant Rob then I really think those paddock insiders might be right.
Love you too and when do I get my invite to your old school get together???
Racing a World Championship is totally different to racing a team race not comparable at all.
What are you talking about my riders for?! who are they? Cairoli and Roczen ain't my riders they are from different countries and cultures to me.
Individually the top GP riders are as good as the Americans, if everyone raced the World Championship it would too close to call, because the World Championship and the US nationals are a similar level, they are just very different series.
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Don't ever compare coming to race the MXoN with racing a whole series, because it's apples and oranges.
In saying that, I think Villopoto, Dungey or Reed would do great racing in Europe, maybe better than the Euro's racing in America, and for that I give them total respect.
Please let me know next time you are back in the states, it would be nice to visit again.
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Rattray has never raced Bagget in SX so how did he finish ahead of him?. Rattray was west coast and Bagget was east coast. Bagget has multiple SX wins over 2 seasons and Rattray has zero in one year of SX.
In the outdoors Rattray topped Bagget by 3 points. 3 POINTS! You could debate to about who thinks Rattray is faster than Bagget and most would probably fall on Bagget's side. Yes, Rattray is more consistent and dependable than a 17 year old kid. But on speed? probably not.
BMan-
But we all know, in a debate, when someone has nothing left in the tank, they turn to personal attack because they have already lost the debate. I think that is where you are about now.
Searle is a good rider, and deserves more credit.
But any team choice before the race would have included Cairoli, and I'm pretty certain you aren't going to count his score in your calculations now........
Until another thread,
BMan-
Moving to the other side of the planet to do anything -- race, wrench, write, or much more serious stuff like soldiering -- is a tough task. Motocross tracks are prepared so differently, and injuries so random, that it makes all this kind of pointless when you really think about it.... But I do defend our guys when someone drops a gate on a smart bench race. This probably wasn't one of those to start with.
DC
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