Mike Alessi's biggest problem is clear

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9/27/2011 8:48am
Sherwood wrote:
According to what Tony has said in the past he does get paid by Mike to maintain the track etc...
Sounds about right. Probably pays him to drive the bus from race to race as well.
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9/27/2011 8:53am
Sherwood wrote:
According to what Tony has said in the past he does get paid by Mike to maintain the track etc...
Grieby54 wrote:
Sounds about right. Probably pays him to drive the bus from race to race as well.
If I remember correct he claimed he only takes the same amount he was making as a sanitation worker plus expenses.
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All of you backing Tony and how hard he is working to get a team going need to ask yourselves something. Why is Tony doing all of this? Answer: Because NOBODY wants to work with him! Mike would have a ride if Tony didn't follow along. Just like teams shy away from Mookie because Big James will be right there trying to run the show.

While it's great Tony is buying bikes, motors and getting sponsors, he wouldn't have to do anything if he would just let his son do his thing.
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9/27/2011 8:55am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 9:18am
Sherwood wrote:
According to what Tony has said in the past he does get paid by Mike to maintain the track etc...
Grieby54 wrote:
Sounds about right. Probably pays him to drive the bus from race to race as well.
I think Tony stayed away last SX season anyway for the most part and Mike had his own driver...remember the drama in Texas with the FBI & his driver ?

I'm sure Tony works for Mike...
But I dont believe he takes advantage of him financially.
But yeah,maybe I took the term "dipping into his sons pockets" the wrong way.

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I've only seen a few episodes of Mike and Tony interacting, and from what I saw, it reminded me of a research article I read on conditional positive regard. That is, withdrawing love from a child based on negative behavior (in this case, not winning). There are negative psychological and emotional consequences of treating your child like that, one being low self-esteem and low confidence. Mike seemed to have confidence in 2009 when he was winning, but since then, I haven't seen any.

Not saying this explains everything, but I think it is a piece of the puzzle in his program.
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9/27/2011 8:56am
WOW, someone making their mind up about someone on a fake reality show? The show could be good, but the producers seem to have an agenda, and a story line they want to follow.

Anyone who talks shit about the Alessi's have never gotten the chance to hang around with them.
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9/27/2011 8:57am
hasko158 wrote:
All of you backing Tony and how hard he is working to get a team going need to ask yourselves something. Why is Tony doing all...
All of you backing Tony and how hard he is working to get a team going need to ask yourselves something. Why is Tony doing all of this? Answer: Because NOBODY wants to work with him! Mike would have a ride if Tony didn't follow along. Just like teams shy away from Mookie because Big James will be right there trying to run the show.

While it's great Tony is buying bikes, motors and getting sponsors, he wouldn't have to do anything if he would just let his son do his thing.
So true!!!

If Tony would just stay out of the way, the teams would take care of Mike!!

Nobody wants to deal with Mike, because of Tony.
9/27/2011 8:57am
Sherwood wrote:
According to what Tony has said in the past he does get paid by Mike to maintain the track etc...
Grieby54 wrote:
Sounds about right. Probably pays him to drive the bus from race to race as well.
He quit his job and mike agreed to pay only what the job paid once, mike was signed.

Aldon baker makes far more than Tony....

Dungey pays his parents and I bet RV s dad can't afford to be on the road for 29 races and still work.
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9/27/2011 9:03am
blair683 wrote:
All Tony is doing is dipping into his sons pockets, thats all.
FastEddy wrote:
Really? Show me proof...bank statements copies of checks etc. And who is paying for this season? Tony went out and bought two Suzuki 450F's for Mike...
Really?
Show me proof...bank statements copies of checks etc.

And who is paying for this season?
Tony went out and bought two Suzuki 450F's for Mike at a local shop (zero support),he said it last night.
He got motors built etc... and is working on sponsors.

What about when Tony worked for a trash company at day & worked on bikes all night and paid for everything out of his own pocket to take those boys racing....?
Tony has done a lot for both those boys and he will keep doing so!
Now he isnt perfect...no one is,but I get sick of people slinging shit at Tony.
It is disrespectful to him & to his boys.
I am not a fan of everything Tony has done, but FastEddy has the point made...Tony made a huge sacrifice as many, many dads did and will continue to do to make their kids dreams come true or at least give them a shot...

and as far as getting 'too involved'...I would too if my sons happiness/career were on the line. Mike is an adult, he can tell his dad to back it down, but apples don't fall far from trees so maybe mikey likes it(life cereal reference)

the thing I noticed from 'inside the outdoors' is that Tony and Mike both spend too much time focusing on what is going right or wrong for other riders instead of worrying about themselves...half of an episode was spent last season with Tony watching dungey and comparing motors, team owners, and mechanics...not where they should be focused...
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9/27/2011 9:04am
Sherwood wrote:
According to what Tony has said in the past he does get paid by Mike to maintain the track etc...
Grieby54 wrote:
Sounds about right. Probably pays him to drive the bus from race to race as well.
He quit his job and mike agreed to pay only what the job paid once, mike was signed. Aldon baker makes far more than Tony.... Dungey...
He quit his job and mike agreed to pay only what the job paid once, mike was signed.

Aldon baker makes far more than Tony....

Dungey pays his parents and I bet RV s dad can't afford to be on the road for 29 races and still work.
Aldon Baker also has the credentials to get paid more.
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9/27/2011 9:04am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 9:15am
I've only seen a few episodes of Mike and Tony interacting, and from what I saw, it reminded me of a research article I read on...
I've only seen a few episodes of Mike and Tony interacting, and from what I saw, it reminded me of a research article I read on conditional positive regard. That is, withdrawing love from a child based on negative behavior (in this case, not winning). There are negative psychological and emotional consequences of treating your child like that, one being low self-esteem and low confidence. Mike seemed to have confidence in 2009 when he was winning, but since then, I haven't seen any.

Not saying this explains everything, but I think it is a piece of the puzzle in his program.
Mike isn't a child, he is a grown man.....and maybe the Katoom had a little to do with his on track confidence.
Who knows....

Tony stayed away for some SX races at the beginning of the season last year,but I think Mike wanted him back in his corner after not having him there for a while.I dont really remember when he came back into the picture though.
But I do know Mike didn't make the main in Phoenix or Oakland....so maybe Tony came back into the picture after that.
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9/27/2011 9:14am
motosmith wrote:
I've meet Tony 3 times at the races and he's always been very friendly to me. I'm just a nobody fan walking through the pits so...
I've meet Tony 3 times at the races and he's always been very friendly to me. I'm just a nobody fan walking through the pits so he has no obligation to talk to me. All three times he stopped what he's doing to talk moto or answer questions.

I've also met Jeff and Mike and they were also friendly. I've never understood the bashing on Alessi's because I've never found it to be justified.
Same here, all three have always been super cool to me.

Big fan of Jeff and Mike both.
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9/27/2011 9:21am
hasko158 wrote:
All of you backing Tony and how hard he is working to get a team going need to ask yourselves something. Why is Tony doing all...
All of you backing Tony and how hard he is working to get a team going need to ask yourselves something. Why is Tony doing all of this? Answer: Because NOBODY wants to work with him! Mike would have a ride if Tony didn't follow along. Just like teams shy away from Mookie because Big James will be right there trying to run the show.

While it's great Tony is buying bikes, motors and getting sponsors, he wouldn't have to do anything if he would just let his son do his thing.
downandup wrote:
So true!!! If Tony would just stay out of the way, the teams would take care of Mike!! Nobody wants to deal with Mike, because of...
So true!!!

If Tony would just stay out of the way, the teams would take care of Mike!!

Nobody wants to deal with Mike, because of Tony.
So is this just your twos opinion, or do you guys have some facts to back it up? Comes off kinda strong, like you guys might know something.. lol
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9/27/2011 9:21am
Tony is a good father who 100% supports his boys or else he wouldn't be with them 24/7. He would go back to a normal job and get his own money. Don't feel bad for mike, he stated in the previous season of the moto that he feels his dad is the best there is at what he does and he wouldn't have it any other way. Yes they are going to argue, yes tony yells and is clearly the authoratarian type, yes there is drama, but it's the situation mike chooses, not tony.

If you guys want to feel bad for someone, it shouldn't be mike. What about the local kids at the track without a father figure in their life? Maybe a moto-mom doing her best to allow their child to race even though they probably have no idea what's going on.

Jon Tomac seems humble when he talks about how it can get weird when moto parents drive themselves into endless debt trying to get their kid to that top level, and then the parents expect something in return to help repay their debts when their kid starts making some money. I see no shame in that. As a young adult, I would feel I owed my parents some financial help for their support and years of hard work if they made ME a succesful and famed racer.

Tomac explains how his family was fortunate enough to use Jon's finances without raising huge debts to get Eli through the am ranks and into a good pro ride without.

I can only imagine the mental difference in a racing family who have the finances to support their kid and the family who has a double mortgage, maxed out credit cards, huge parts bills, bike loans, etc and they rely on the child to perform and make enough money to cover the months bills.
9/27/2011 9:26am
The Alessi family is a class act, all of them! If you don't know them personally then you should really shut up and keep your comments to yourself. You may or may not be a fan but if you don't respect that family's heart and passion for this sport then you're probably just a clueless poster on an MX forum.
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9/27/2011 9:30am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 9:31am
blair683 wrote:
After watching every episode of "the moto inside the outdoors" it is clear what Mike Alessi's biggest issue is. He should'nt be worried about what team...
After watching every episode of "the moto inside the outdoors" it is clear what Mike Alessi's biggest issue is. He should'nt be worried about what team he is on or what manufacture he is riding for he just needs to get rid of that piss poor excuse of a father. Tony Alessi is the biggest piece of crap at the track each and every week. He treats his son like shit if he isant winning. Mike Alessi needs to go have fun else where so he can remember what the sport is all about. He cant enjoy riding when his dad is screaming at him and beating him down mentally. I seriously feel bad for the kid. But hey atleast he has a hot girlfriend! Smile
Mike and Jeff know whats best for them. Mikes problem is not Tony. It's the pace that RV and Dungey were running during the summer. He was slower everywhere on the track.

Once Barcia and Wilson move up Mike is going to have a tough time getting in the top 7 or 8. IMO Mike missed his window to win a National title.
9/27/2011 9:33am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 9:39am
Mike needs aldon baker on his side. Hes only superfast for a few laps then RV and RD just blow right pass him. LOL
Needs to get his fintness to their level, no doubt.
9/27/2011 9:41am
He quit his job and mike agreed to pay only what the job paid once, mike was signed. Aldon baker makes far more than Tony.... Dungey...
He quit his job and mike agreed to pay only what the job paid once, mike was signed.

Aldon baker makes far more than Tony....

Dungey pays his parents and I bet RV s dad can't afford to be on the road for 29 races and still work.
Pretty spot on. Many years ago when Mike got his first contract, Tony and Mike made an agreement. Tony would quit his job with Waste Management and would go to work for Mike (Alessi Racing, Inc.) full time and Mike would pay him the same amount of money Tony was making at WM. Thats exactly how much money Tony still makes to this day. Pretty amazing considering how much time and effort it takes him to run an organization like Alessi Racing Inc (multiple practice facilities, training programs for all levels of riders, race engine and suspenson shope, etc.)

Many of the top riders are set up similar to Alessi Racing Inc. Racing is a business, and like most businesses, people get paid to work in them. You need employees to run the tracks, practice bike mechanics, fitness program instructors, transport drivers, agents, managers, etc. As with many other racing programs, family members sometimes work in these supporting positions, and they get paid to do so since its usually a full time job most of theyear..

The team you sign for generally only provides you access to their test track, a practice bike, and engineering and race bike support. Thats usually about it. The rest of the riders support (practice and training facilities, programs, logistics, etc) is usually up to the rider, on his own dime.

When you hear any of these young pilots' parents making a comment like "there goes the championship", they are never saying it for themselves, they are saying it because they know how hard their kids have worked and how much presure these kids are under to win. Disappointed? Sure, but because they feel their kids heartbreak, like any of us parents would.
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9/27/2011 9:42am
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^^^^ this Tony seems to have no empathy whatsoever for his kids. On the show last night when Mike crashed while practicing at Osbornes, he crashed...
^^^^ this

Tony seems to have no empathy whatsoever for his kids. On the show last night when Mike crashed while practicing at Osbornes, he crashed, and Tony says something like "he crashed already, are you kidding me?" like he's an idiot for crashing. He didn't ask him if he was ok until later.

First thing I would have asked my son is if he was ok. Tony seems to treat his kids like robots, not people.

And, I wouldn't say he has raised the best kids. Have you read some of Jeff's posts? The guy can't even write nor spell. The ONLY thing those 2 boys can do is moto. I feel sorry for them.
That's not fair to assume that these are somehow bad kids because of their poor grammar. Although I agree that education is important many people struggle in these subjects (while often excelling in others) through no fault of their own.

I'd take a great personality, compassion, work ethic, creativity, etc... over proper grammar any day when judging a human being.
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9/27/2011 9:43am
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Mike needs aldon baker on his side. Hes only superfast for a few laps then RV and RD just blow right pass him. LOL Needs to...
Mike needs aldon baker on his side. Hes only superfast for a few laps then RV and RD just blow right pass him. LOL
Needs to get his fintness to their level, no doubt.
Firts time I have ever heard anyone question Mikes fitness.
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I've only seen a few episodes of Mike and Tony interacting, and from what I saw, it reminded me of a research article I read on...
I've only seen a few episodes of Mike and Tony interacting, and from what I saw, it reminded me of a research article I read on conditional positive regard. That is, withdrawing love from a child based on negative behavior (in this case, not winning). There are negative psychological and emotional consequences of treating your child like that, one being low self-esteem and low confidence. Mike seemed to have confidence in 2009 when he was winning, but since then, I haven't seen any.

Not saying this explains everything, but I think it is a piece of the puzzle in his program.
FastEddy wrote:
Mike isn't a child, he is a grown man.....and maybe the Katoom had a little to do with his on track confidence. Who knows.... Tony stayed...
Mike isn't a child, he is a grown man.....and maybe the Katoom had a little to do with his on track confidence.
Who knows....

Tony stayed away for some SX races at the beginning of the season last year,but I think Mike wanted him back in his corner after not having him there for a while.I dont really remember when he came back into the picture though.
But I do know Mike didn't make the main in Phoenix or Oakland....so maybe Tony came back into the picture after that.
Coming from a Psychology background myself, I have to agree with Hank. Age does not mean that Mike is an adult mentally, and I don't say this as a dig to any of the Alessis. There are certain amounts of independent experience that Mike needs to be an adult mentally, and there's no way he's had those based on the life he's led (100% dedicated to the sport, not to growing up) and with his dad being a helicopter parent.

Again, I say this in no ill way to the Alessis - there's no parenting hand-book out there and there's no doubt that Tony is trying his very best. That being said, Tony is doing no favors, mentally, for Mike.
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9/27/2011 9:49am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 9:49am
Suns_PSD wrote:
That's not fair to assume that these are somehow bad kids because of their poor grammar. Although I agree that education is important many people struggle...
That's not fair to assume that these are somehow bad kids because of their poor grammar. Although I agree that education is important many people struggle in these subjects (while often excelling in others) through no fault of their own.

I'd take a great personality, compassion, work ethic, creativity, etc... over proper grammar any day when judging a human being.
Good post,I agree!
I have a good friend who is a structural Engineer with degrees from MIT etc...
He cant spell worth a shit either.
Half of the time I get an email from him I dont know what the heck he is trying to say,I have to read it twice to make it out. Smile
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Yeah, it pissed me off watching moto inside the outdoors, when Mike crashed at hangtown all Tony cared about was, if he the AMA found out he had a concussion they wouldn't let him race, didn't give a shit and ask how Mike felt or if he would even feel like doing anything.
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downandup wrote: ^^^^ this

Tony seems to have no empathy whatsoever for his kids. On the show last night when Mike crashed while practicing at Osbornes, he crashed, and Tony says something like "he crashed already, are you kidding me?" like he's an idiot for crashing. He didn't ask him if he was ok until later.

First thing I would have asked my son is if he was ok. Tony seems to treat his kids like robots, not people.

And, I wouldn't say he has raised the best kids. Have you read some of Jeff's posts? The guy can't even write nor spell. The ONLY thing those 2 boys can do is moto. I feel sorry for them.


Again, don't belive a TV shows edititing to form an opinion about anyone on a reality show.

I have seen Mike and Jeff give trophies away, pull over on practice days to make sure a kid who fell is ok, sign autographs, take pics from anyone who has asked, you can say what you like about the family from a TV show, but thats not who they are as a family. Maybe you should go to a track and meet them, then form an opinion? No matter what you think about Tony, the boys have been raised very well.
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9/27/2011 10:00am
Maybe Mike needs to give Windham more tips on how to get thru the whoops at Millville?
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Yeah, it pissed me off watching moto inside the outdoors, when Mike crashed at hangtown all Tony cared about was, if he the AMA found out...
Yeah, it pissed me off watching moto inside the outdoors, when Mike crashed at hangtown all Tony cared about was, if he the AMA found out he had a concussion they wouldn't let him race, didn't give a shit and ask how Mike felt or if he would even feel like doing anything.
EDITING!!!!!
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Coming from a Psychology background myself, I have to agree with Hank. Age does not mean that Mike is an adult mentally, and I don't say...
Coming from a Psychology background myself, I have to agree with Hank. Age does not mean that Mike is an adult mentally, and I don't say this as a dig to any of the Alessis. There are certain amounts of independent experience that Mike needs to be an adult mentally, and there's no way he's had those based on the life he's led (100% dedicated to the sport, not to growing up) and with his dad being a helicopter parent.

Again, I say this in no ill way to the Alessis - there's no parenting hand-book out there and there's no doubt that Tony is trying his very best. That being said, Tony is doing no favors, mentally, for Mike.
What you are saying makes 100% sense....and I have seen some 16 year old teenagers act mentally older then some 30 year old's.
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9/27/2011 10:06am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2011 10:07am
huck wrote:
Maybe Mike needs to give Windham more tips on how to get thru the whoops at Millville?
I dont think that went over so well last time. Tongue Smile
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9/27/2011 10:17am
Grieby54 wrote:
I didn't realize that Tony currently has a job that allows him to pay for anything. Unless I'm mistaken, Tony bought those bikes with Mike's money...
I didn't realize that Tony currently has a job that allows him to pay for anything. Unless I'm mistaken, Tony bought those bikes with Mike's money. I don't have any bank statements or checks to prove it, but then again, neither do you.

I don't say that to trash Tony or the Alessi's - there's no way Tony could possibly have a job with how involved he is in his son's career - he's on the road all year. I'm only saying it to say that you're wrong haha.
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Sam,I dont need any checks to prove anything. I'm not the one making accusations of Tony being in Mikes pocket,without any solid proof. And if I...
Sam,I dont need any checks to prove anything.
I'm not the one making accusations of Tony being in Mikes pocket,without any solid proof.
And if I were ever to make negative accusations like that about someones father on here,you can bet I would bring proof to the table.

Tony said last night he went out and bought 2 450F Suzuki's last night from a local shop for Mike.
He said he had motors built etc.. and he was working on sponsors.
Regardless if Mike is funding his racing or not,Tony is still there helping him and doing all he can.
I have a lot of respect for the guy,he raised 2 great boys who have both accomplished good things in life.
That isn't an easy task.
Fasteddy, i couldn't agree with you more on both your posts here.
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Boys with Breathalyzers and blankies will not like Tony Alessi. Just sayin.

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