Professional motocross has a ways to go.

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9/4/2011 12:19am
with short careers and high risk/turnover we have to remarket our stars so regularly. nascar careers span 20 years. thats unlikely in mx to say the least. technological wonders and space age technology would bring back the golden era. brayton on a works jgr di 2t 300 grant on a tm400 two cylinder 4 stroke. honda wins anyways. that be gnar
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9/4/2011 12:38am
The races are too long and that combined with the front 2 or 3 riders winning by over a minute = snore. Joe public could not...
The races are too long and that combined with the front 2 or 3 riders winning by over a minute = snore.

Joe public could not give a shit about roost, ruts, tear offs, 2 strokes, 4 strokes, v twins, fitness levels and endurance.
Woa there. Mx shouldn't go changing the fundamentals to attract average Joe's. Joe can go to a supercross race if he doesn't like what mxer's consider...
Woa there. Mx shouldn't go changing the fundamentals to attract average Joe's. Joe can go to a supercross race if he doesn't like what mxer's consider the finer points of racing. Two long motos, roost, ruts, tear offs, fitness, and endurance must remain in order to stave off blasphemy. As for the motor style, Pros should race what's fastest on a track. Amateurs can race whatever strikes the right balance for them.
I totally agree but there is a trade off. The sport will only grow at a very slow rate because the majority of people don't get it and don't want to get it.

Dare I say, the only way to truly make the sport to grow on a big scale would be to merge the 2 series, maybe even get rid of the lights class and have the best of the best racing each other every week.... go easy on me!
9/4/2011 12:42am
I agree with some of what you are saying, particularly the giant Rockstar can. That was ridiculous. I also agree that the track looked like crap...
I agree with some of what you are saying, particularly the giant Rockstar can. That was ridiculous.

I also agree that the track looked like crap today. I'm not saying that it needs to be perfectly manicured, as this is motocross and the tracks should be rough and challenging. There is no need for them to be hard packed and practically blue grooved like much of the track appeared to be today. As we all know, you throw water on that stuff and it is like ice. That is just dangerous.

On the subject of safety equipment, it is continuously improving each and every year. Helmet technology continues to develop as far as materials, shell sizes, emergency release cheek pads, etc. I believe all riders are required to use a "hats off" type device that inflates an air bladder inside the helmet to make it easier to remove from an unresponsive rider. I know that is the case in road racing and believe it is the same for professional motocross as well. Neck braces were a huge advance in safety equipment, and now chest protectors, and even some helmets are changing to better accommodate them. Boot technology continues to develop with the further advancement of hinged boot systems providing ankle support, but allowing good flexibility and comfort as well.
There is no need for them to be hard packed and practically blue grooved like much of the track appeared to be today.

I don't think it was dangerous yesterday but certainly challenging. Hard pack, slick conditions like that are rare on the National circuit but in a way, that's what it needs. Too many tracks on the National tour are beginning to become more and more uniform with each other. They're all disc'd deep and left fast. The preparation for each one (from the teams point of view) is pretty much the same from race to race. And of course the short practices and squeezing everything into a one day event fits in well with that. Everyone knows what to expect.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to turn this into a GPs are better thread, not at all. The U.S Nationals have some of the most awesome tracks in the world, most notably Red Bud. But it doesn't appear to have as much variety. I would like to see a deep sand rd (or at least another like Southwick) and a hard pack blue grove rd. Though I know I'm in the minority here. However in the GPs this variety of varying conditions tends to promote different riders at the top.

Though admittedly with that said - it didn't appear to make a huge difference yesterday, particularly in the 450 class. I guess everyone rides the same sort of tracks from amateur all the way up, they go through the same LL and mini O's etc process. But still at Southwick you tend to get a few different names up there, in the 250fs we know Rattray's going to be tough there. It's more of a specialist track where local knowledge or being a more methodical, super fit, grafter type rider pays off. But again, that makes it more interesting. Same with Brett getting the better of RV in that 2nd moto.

The 450s are a little stagnant at the moment. Dungey and Villopoto are so much better than everyone else. Yesterday reminded me of Carmichael and Stewart - on one hand it was spectacular to witness two elite riders in their prime go at it. But on the other it's a little bit scary to see how far off everyone else was.
9/4/2011 12:47am
Easy was to make racing closer and it is the only reason NASCAR racing is so close,

Full Course Yellows with saftey bike!!!

Think about it every time a rider has a small tip over and gets back up , just a local yellow but for a big one, bring out a saftey bike and have everyone bunch back up, full lucky dog for the lead rider a lap down, pit stops to make suspension changes, change mapping and fresh tyres, thats what the fans love!!!!

Seriously would not like to see that at all, Imagine the winning Margins in some NASCAR races if there was no such thing as a full course yellow just a local yellow to clear the mess, a race winner could potentially win by more than a couple of laps.

Its MX, the more you change the worse you will make it , it already sucks that only certain types of bikes are allowed to be raced, it sucks that the guy running 40th in a National event has to pay his own way, work during the week , rock up on inferior bikes and are expected to have a chance, even worse when the rider finishing 20th in a SX main in front of 60,000 paying spectators then has to pay his way to the next round.

The Face in SX that the leading rider in a regional series is making more than a decent living while the guy running 20th on the National series is some times paying out of their own pocket to race or not making any money to race. How does that work ???

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9/4/2011 12:49am
Sorry to say it's unlikely to grow any bigger than what it is now. At least as far as national motocross. People just don't care. My family is a good example. They are sports fans but they couldn't care less about a bunch of guys bouncing thru a cow pasture and thats the way they view it. I've tried to turn them on to it. Not happening they think its boring. SX is a little better but really they'd rather watch freestyle...what can you do?
9/4/2011 12:52am
The races are too long and that combined with the front 2 or 3 riders winning by over a minute = snore. Joe public could not...
The races are too long and that combined with the front 2 or 3 riders winning by over a minute = snore.

Joe public could not give a shit about roost, ruts, tear offs, 2 strokes, 4 strokes, v twins, fitness levels and endurance.
Woa there. Mx shouldn't go changing the fundamentals to attract average Joe's. Joe can go to a supercross race if he doesn't like what mxer's consider...
Woa there. Mx shouldn't go changing the fundamentals to attract average Joe's. Joe can go to a supercross race if he doesn't like what mxer's consider the finer points of racing. Two long motos, roost, ruts, tear offs, fitness, and endurance must remain in order to stave off blasphemy. As for the motor style, Pros should race what's fastest on a track. Amateurs can race whatever strikes the right balance for them.
I totally agree but there is a trade off. The sport will only grow at a very slow rate because the majority of people don't get...
I totally agree but there is a trade off. The sport will only grow at a very slow rate because the majority of people don't get it and don't want to get it.

Dare I say, the only way to truly make the sport to grow on a big scale would be to merge the 2 series, maybe even get rid of the lights class and have the best of the best racing each other every week.... go easy on me!
I'm with you on your growth ideas other than the part stating it's the only way. Do I know another way? Not really, but your method would make an impact I would think. Just so long as no blasphemy occurs. Maybe we could ass (Freudian slip) more hot chicks and fireworks. More human interest stories during the racing would also impress ole' Joe and his family. Another thread here gave me the idea that they should be racing Banshees too. Average Joe loves him some Banshee!
9/4/2011 1:26am Edited Date/Time 9/4/2011 1:27am
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Easy was to make racing closer and it is the only reason NASCAR racing is so close, Full Course Yellows with saftey bike!!! Think about it...
Easy was to make racing closer and it is the only reason NASCAR racing is so close,

Full Course Yellows with saftey bike!!!

Think about it every time a rider has a small tip over and gets back up , just a local yellow but for a big one, bring out a saftey bike and have everyone bunch back up, full lucky dog for the lead rider a lap down, pit stops to make suspension changes, change mapping and fresh tyres, thats what the fans love!!!!

Seriously would not like to see that at all, Imagine the winning Margins in some NASCAR races if there was no such thing as a full course yellow just a local yellow to clear the mess, a race winner could potentially win by more than a couple of laps.

Its MX, the more you change the worse you will make it , it already sucks that only certain types of bikes are allowed to be raced, it sucks that the guy running 40th in a National event has to pay his own way, work during the week , rock up on inferior bikes and are expected to have a chance, even worse when the rider finishing 20th in a SX main in front of 60,000 paying spectators then has to pay his way to the next round.

The Face in SX that the leading rider in a regional series is making more than a decent living while the guy running 20th on the National series is some times paying out of their own pocket to race or not making any money to race. How does that work ???
I hate to say it but I like the idea of the full course yellow with a pace bike.It may not work but I do like the concept.
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9/4/2011 1:26am
gsxr6 wrote:
i want sportscenter coverage
Sports center is a stick and ball show. They might show NASCAR if there was a bad wreck, but as for racing...Don't be silly.

Despain covers it on Wind Tunnel, even has riders on the show.

If you want to see racing news, you need to get a racing channel. ESPN ain't it.
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9/4/2011 3:37am
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Don't get me wrong. I love this sport. It has come a long way very quickly. You watch videos of just 10-15 years ago and you...
Don't get me wrong. I love this sport. It has come a long way very quickly. You watch videos of just 10-15 years ago and you can see how much the sport has progressed.

With that being said it's pretty lax on rules and regulations.

It wasn't until a couple years ago they finally got rid of the wooden steaks in the ground. That was just ridiculous.

Bikes need to be inspected more to make sure that there are not unfair advantages among teams and that the field is leveled as much as possible.

That fucking Rockstar can was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen that Bagget hit. That is just a total lack of respect for rider safety.

Some of the tracks are just shit. They should be inspected and made sure they are groomed, prepped and built properly for maximum safety and maximum racing and passing. There needs to be oversight into this and the tracks need to have guidelines on what is acceptable and what is not if they want to host a professional race. Over watered, under watered, blocks of dirt pushed out to the edge of the track makes it one lined and generally a pain in the ass to ride the track.

Minimum safety gear should be required for all professional athletes that want to race and safety gear should be constantly being improved and developed year after year to provide the maximum comfort, mobility, and safety for the riders.

Supercross needs to really work on safety in the first turn. There is no reason you should try and cram 20 riders into a corner that only holds 3-5 bikes. It's exciting for the fans but a completely unnecessary and avoidable danger.

What else? Leave the 4 strokes and 2 strokes debate out of this one please. Smile
500guy wrote:
I find it odd that you are so concerned about other peoples safety, Are you not the guy who started a thread about constipation and how...
I find it odd that you are so concerned about other peoples safety, Are you not the guy who started a thread about constipation and how you were addicted to opiates ? Why are you so concerned about this when you need to be taking care of yourself.

I'm not saying this to be mean. Think about it.
His post is way over your head dipshit. .

You need your eyes dotted you tard.
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9/4/2011 3:41am
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Fuck off
You're like Bobby M.........without the cool.
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9/4/2011 3:47am Edited Date/Time 9/4/2011 3:50am
jmar wrote:
I have to say, it's growing, and getting more professional than when I was involved in the sport. With that said, It's not going to get...
I have to say, it's growing, and getting more professional than when I was involved in the sport. With that said, It's not going to get much bigger, anytime soon. It's not sport that appeals to the masses, and that will limit the future growth.

I am OK with that though.
I totally agree. Way back around 1970, Dick Mann said, "Motocross isn't a sport for the average American spectator. The average American spectator wants to sit in a comfortable seat with a cold beer and a hot hot dog and just move his eyes to watch the game. He won't go out and trudge up hill through the mud to watch it."

Motocross is, and always will, be a sport for participants. If you've never raced yourself, you have no way to relate to the riders' experience on the track. You see Dean Wilson jump that big double and immediately drive into that inside rut and it looks like nothing. Those of us who race know it's not just something, it's genius. Average people can't relate at all.

And I'm OK with that too.
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9/4/2011 3:53am
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Needs less pussy fans
couldnt have said it better
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9/4/2011 7:18am
Best racing in 20 + years in both the outdoors and supercross, and people are still whining.

I don't get it.
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9/4/2011 7:22am
jmar wrote:
Best racing in 20 + years in both the outdoors and supercross, and people are still whining.

I don't get it.
I do.

After next weekend it's the off-season...thought I think this year I'm going to change it up a bit and call it Hunting Season. It's time for fewer trolls and people who just act like crappy humans, and time for more people who actually dig the sport.
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jmar wrote:
Best racing in 20 + years in both the outdoors and supercross, and people are still whining.

I don't get it.
No kidding. I realize motocross is a participant-driven sport, and that limits its ultimate growth, but damn, if you're a motocrosser and you don't dig this season, you must be in a coma.
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9/4/2011 7:29am
Not happy with the way things are now....
Bring in that union you speak of, then we won't have anything to discuss because there won't be professional MX/SX anymore.
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9/4/2011 7:38am
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The sport is [b]dying[/b]. The powers that be are either unwilling or unable to deal with the problems of today. It's stagnate at the professional level...
The sport is dying. The powers that be are either unwilling or unable to deal with the problems of today. It's stagnate at the professional level because it's dying, if not dead at the local level.
moto282 wrote:
lol... dramatic much? Nationals seem to be doing a lot better than the previous years.... SX still fills up stadiums... all in a recession/high unemployment. There's...
lol... dramatic much?

Nationals seem to be doing a lot better than the previous years.... SX still fills up stadiums... all in a recession/high unemployment. There's always room for improvement, especially in areas such as rider safety as others have pointed out in this thread, but I disagree that the sport is dying (or already dead lol).
Couldn't tell you the actual gate numbers but just a quick eyeball count showed less than half the people on the very popular hill at Millville than in years past. The pits were significantly less full with the section on the far side of the pro pits no longer even open like it had been a few years back.
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9/4/2011 7:38am
jmar wrote:
I have to say, it's growing, and getting more professional than when I was involved in the sport. With that said, It's not going to get...
I have to say, it's growing, and getting more professional than when I was involved in the sport. With that said, It's not going to get much bigger, anytime soon. It's not sport that appeals to the masses, and that will limit the future growth.

I am OK with that though.
WhKnuckle wrote:
I totally agree. Way back around 1970, Dick Mann said, "Motocross isn't a sport for the average American spectator. The average American spectator wants to sit...
I totally agree. Way back around 1970, Dick Mann said, "Motocross isn't a sport for the average American spectator. The average American spectator wants to sit in a comfortable seat with a cold beer and a hot hot dog and just move his eyes to watch the game. He won't go out and trudge up hill through the mud to watch it."

Motocross is, and always will, be a sport for participants. If you've never raced yourself, you have no way to relate to the riders' experience on the track. You see Dean Wilson jump that big double and immediately drive into that inside rut and it looks like nothing. Those of us who race know it's not just something, it's genius. Average people can't relate at all.

And I'm OK with that too.
Sums it up.^^^^
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9/4/2011 7:47am
jmar wrote:
I have to say, it's growing, and getting more professional than when I was involved in the sport. With that said, It's not going to get...
I have to say, it's growing, and getting more professional than when I was involved in the sport. With that said, It's not going to get much bigger, anytime soon. It's not sport that appeals to the masses, and that will limit the future growth.

I am OK with that though.
WhKnuckle wrote:
I totally agree. Way back around 1970, Dick Mann said, "Motocross isn't a sport for the average American spectator. The average American spectator wants to sit...
I totally agree. Way back around 1970, Dick Mann said, "Motocross isn't a sport for the average American spectator. The average American spectator wants to sit in a comfortable seat with a cold beer and a hot hot dog and just move his eyes to watch the game. He won't go out and trudge up hill through the mud to watch it."

Motocross is, and always will, be a sport for participants. If you've never raced yourself, you have no way to relate to the riders' experience on the track. You see Dean Wilson jump that big double and immediately drive into that inside rut and it looks like nothing. Those of us who race know it's not just something, it's genius. Average people can't relate at all.

And I'm OK with that too.
I'm OK with that too I was explaining that to the wife how most people just don't realize how incredible these guys are; they make it all look so easy. But even though I don't care how big the sport gets nationally I am really enjoying all this HD coverage I am getting on my fancy DirecTV DVR.
I enjoyed watching the race even with the hard pack conditions, variety is good and those track conditions kinda reminded of the old days in the southwest.
That big Rock-star can hanging into the track was crazy though, couldn't believe it stayed there all day like that.
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Corporate america is ruining motorsports ....................the interviews after the races appeal to no true fans ,they appeal to the shareholder ,we all know our favorite riders sponsers.,we don't need to hear and see them read from a pit board .................what i want to hear is wilson spouting about how barcia rides him like a whore and payback is a bitch..................this is why i like MATTHES and his takes ,this why JASON LAWRENCE is so popular .,THEIR REAL
Nascar has found the last few years that ''corporate'' is not the way to grow the sport .Nascar also has a handle [somewhat]on evening out the playing field ........AMA ,not even close
.Although i agree rider is a huge part of racing ,CONFIDENCE is the biggest factor in any sport ,a clapped out pogo stick suspension and an ill working bike is far from confidence inspiring.................a PC 250 WITH MATCHING SUSPENSION given to any rider will instantly garner him confidence .......enough to win races,maybe not ,but after time will make you better.
Its hard to argue with confidence winning races ...................just add Chad Reed
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I love the sport. All I'm saying is the average sports fan is not into it and probably never will be.
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I was a devoted racer in my day and am a devoted fan of motocross today, but with the economy the way it is, I'd be surprised ANY motorsports will survive for much longer at the level they are at now, let alone a relatively obscure sport like motocross. The sports consumer just doesn't have as much discretionary money anymore. It begs the question, how DOES the MX industry manage to make any money? It's like the series in Canada, I am totally surprised it has even existed the last two years.
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9/4/2011 7:42pm
jmar wrote:
Best racing in 20 + years in both the outdoors and supercross, and people are still whining.

I don't get it.
WhKnuckle wrote:
No kidding. I realize motocross is a participant-driven sport, and that limits its ultimate growth, but damn, if you're a motocrosser and you don't dig this...
No kidding. I realize motocross is a participant-driven sport, and that limits its ultimate growth, but damn, if you're a motocrosser and you don't dig this season, you must be in a coma.
When did motocross racers turn into a bunch of weenies?

Ive showed up at tracks in the early morning, where it had rained the night before and watched all these 'core' motocrossers turn around and leave because they didnt want to get their bike dirty. And when the weather is extra hot & dry, all these 'core' riders are whining about track prep, too dusty, blue groove, waaa, waaa, my poosie aches I cant ride this kinda stuff. Offroad racers laugh their ass off reading this stuff from all these *DIRT* bike riders.

I remember a time when we were glad to ride anywhere we could; grassy open field, abandoned gravel pit, along a bayou on the bank, anywhere off of pavement. And to go out to Rio Bravo and be on dusty hard pack was heaven to us ! On 5" of travel and a worn out Yokahoma on back !
9/4/2011 8:03pm
the biggest issue for me with professional sx/mx is the pay. the worlds best riders don't get nearly what they deserve. that in my mind needs...
the biggest issue for me with professional sx/mx is the pay. the worlds best riders don't get nearly what they deserve. that in my mind needs to change immediately! i have no idea what a sx brings in money wise but i have little doubt greedy "business" scum are pocketing fistfulls of cash...

Bubba shouldn't be making millions while 19th is just trying to get a ride. that's a fck'in joke!!!

why this hasn't changed is beyond me, but with all of the greed in this world, isn't it about time WE did something about it?

question is what? riders strike?
nate191 wrote:
Riders Union could fix a lot of those problems.

Someone needs to start it and make an attempt.
wasn't reed doing something like that? what happened? wonder if that's the reason the "industry" turned their backs on him, as he calls it??? if he...
wasn't reed doing something like that? what happened?

wonder if that's the reason the "industry" turned their backs on him, as he calls it???

if he was threatened in any way, would we have heard about it? i don't see him keeping something like that quite...
Reed worked hard for it.
Then REPUBLICANS squashed it...
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jmar wrote:
I have to say, it's growing, and getting more professional than when I was involved in the sport. With that said, It's not going to get...
I have to say, it's growing, and getting more professional than when I was involved in the sport. With that said, It's not going to get much bigger, anytime soon. It's not sport that appeals to the masses, and that will limit the future growth.

I am OK with that though.
WhKnuckle wrote:
I totally agree. Way back around 1970, Dick Mann said, "Motocross isn't a sport for the average American spectator. The average American spectator wants to sit...
I totally agree. Way back around 1970, Dick Mann said, "Motocross isn't a sport for the average American spectator. The average American spectator wants to sit in a comfortable seat with a cold beer and a hot hot dog and just move his eyes to watch the game. He won't go out and trudge up hill through the mud to watch it."

Motocross is, and always will, be a sport for participants. If you've never raced yourself, you have no way to relate to the riders' experience on the track. You see Dean Wilson jump that big double and immediately drive into that inside rut and it looks like nothing. Those of us who race know it's not just something, it's genius. Average people can't relate at all.

And I'm OK with that too.
That is an excellent point you have made and dead on. It is definitely more of a sport for participants. If you ride then you understand more of whats going on.

My reason for starting this post was not to bash on a sport that I love so much but to simply state that it has a ways to go on a professional level. These guys are the creme of the crop. However, I think that being a privateer and being able to line up on the gates with the best riders in the world is part of the appeal of this sport. You can't do that in NFL, MLB, or Nascar. If your fast enough to qualify then for the most part you can race on the same gate. That is pretty awesome.

I think the one thing I would like to see more is just a little more oversight when it comes to track conditions and design, rider safety, etc.
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When did motocross racers turn into a bunch of weenies? Ive showed up at tracks in the early morning, where it had rained the night before...
When did motocross racers turn into a bunch of weenies?

Ive showed up at tracks in the early morning, where it had rained the night before and watched all these 'core' motocrossers turn around and leave because they didnt want to get their bike dirty. And when the weather is extra hot & dry, all these 'core' riders are whining about track prep, too dusty, blue groove, waaa, waaa, my poosie aches I cant ride this kinda stuff. Offroad racers laugh their ass off reading this stuff from all these *DIRT* bike riders.

I remember a time when we were glad to ride anywhere we could; grassy open field, abandoned gravel pit, along a bayou on the bank, anywhere off of pavement. And to go out to Rio Bravo and be on dusty hard pack was heaven to us ! On 5" of travel and a worn out Yokahoma on back !
No foolin' man. you should hear it from the officials side of the fence. You get everyone...riders, Dads, Moms, riders friends...and on and on, and on and on.

WE NEED WATER ON THE TRACK!!!

OK, we'll spritz a little on it after this moto to help with the dust.

NOT BEFORE MY MOTO!!!

Blah, blah blah...

So you were on Yokohamas? Dang, man, you musta been sponsored. All we had were Cheng-chen's.
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9/4/2011 10:45pm Edited Date/Time 9/4/2011 10:46pm
jeffro503 wrote:
There are years where you have 1 dominant rider , sometimes 2 -3 dominant riders....and other years where about 6 - 8 guys could actually win...
There are years where you have 1 dominant rider , sometimes 2 -3 dominant riders....and other years where about 6 - 8 guys could actually win a moto. This year we started out really good and a few riders were in the hunt , but just like in years past , riders get hurt , have a few bad motos.....what's the difference.

Some of you guys have to realize and be thankful we had a solid 3 way battle until just a few races ago. Look at the Rc era.......Jesus Christ , guys were showing up knowing they were not going to do better than 2nd place. Sure , you had your Tim ferry's , KW's , Stewarts.........but RC was extremely dominant for 10 friggin' years!

I don't wanna see that type of shit again ( even though it was cool watching that little red haired madman ride ) And it isn't. We just got done with one of the most epic seasons ever ( not over yet! )....and you guys are complaining?

Live online coverage , live timing , same day ( most of the time ) TV coverage , great battles .......what the hell do you guys want?
what the hell do you guys want?

More cow bell.
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what the hell do you guys want?

More cow bell.
HAR! good one Michael, and never gets old Cool

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9/4/2011 11:17pm
500guy wrote:
Fuck off
JB 19 wrote:
You're like Bobby M.........without the cool.
i agree





...ya i know, "fuck off" bla bla
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9/4/2011 11:19pm
I believe Motocross has never been MORE professional than it is now.

compare the pits from 20 years ago versus now

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