David Pingree; Undercover KTM employee.

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 1:24pm
David Pingree seems to be employed by KTM in the PR department because if any one criticises the 350, he is the first one to tell you that the KTM 350 will easily get a holeshot over any 450 Japanese bike. Matthes will back me up on this one. Ping and famous MXer Tyler Keith tested the KTM 350 against 450's and the 350 consistently holeshoted according to Ping. I hope the IRS dont hear about this,
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Roscoe33 8/9/2011 3:51am
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Ping's opinion is different from yours so he must be wrong.
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Jefro98 8/9/2011 4:06am
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Ping might be right.

Lommel MX1 moto1:
350's 1st and 3re in the first turn.




Lommel MX1 moto2:
350's holeshot a field of 450's.

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gazzar70 8/9/2011 4:11am
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I like your logic on that one, Roscoe. I listen to the Racer X podcasts with Ping Weege and Matthes and the subject has been brought up a few times when talking about Short and Allessi. I dont have an opinion either way but I think 90% of riders would ride the 350 faster if it feels lighter. Hey, is that a KTM shirt your wearin'?
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gazzar70 8/9/2011 4:15am
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Hey Jefro, Matthes says them GP bikes are bored out to at least 400. Is that right?

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Jefro98 8/9/2011 4:29am
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I really don't know gazzar.

All I know is that Cairoli hates riding a 450. He still is more of a 250 guy so the 350 is the perfect bike for him in the MX1 class.
motoxxx599 8/9/2011 4:42am
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gazzar70 wrote:
David Pingree seems to be employed by KTM in the PR department because if any one criticises the 350, he is the first one to tell...
David Pingree seems to be employed by KTM in the PR department because if any one criticises the 350, he is the first one to tell you that the KTM 350 will easily get a holeshot over any 450 Japanese bike. Matthes will back me up on this one. Ping and famous MXer Tyler Keith tested the KTM 350 against 450's and the 350 consistently holeshoted according to Ping. I hope the IRS dont hear about this,
that would be Tyler Keefe.
scott_nz 8/9/2011 4:43am
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gazzar70 wrote:
Hey Jefro, Matthes says them GP bikes are bored out to at least 400. Is that right?
he is not the only person that thinks that,

and Jeffro is right, the word wasa that his yamaha 450 was sleeved down to around a 400 as well,
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gazzar70 wrote:
Hey Jefro, Matthes says them GP bikes are bored out to at least 400. Is that right?
scott_nz wrote:
he is not the only person that thinks that, and Jeffro is right, the word wasa that his yamaha 450 was sleeved down to around a...
he is not the only person that thinks that,

and Jeffro is right, the word wasa that his yamaha 450 was sleeved down to around a 400 as well,
So they could have done a 400 instead, but then we all would have the KTM400 discussion instead! Smile
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I wonder how many of those works 450's are really 488's, 510's and 540's? Getting stroked by a little 350, 380, 388 or 400?? They should be embarrassed.....LOL. Small bore bike should never pull a big bore in a drag race. RPM's, primary reduction ratios, gear boxes and sprocket combinations don't have any effect.Whistling
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Derpin' DJ 8/9/2011 6:55am
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I keep saying this. Do you really think KTM are going to risk running a bored out 350? They are trying to prove that it can be ridden faster than a 450. If people found out they were cheating because they bored it out, thats not going to help them sell bikes is it?
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gazzar70 wrote:
David Pingree seems to be employed by KTM in the PR department because if any one criticises the 350, he is the first one to tell...
David Pingree seems to be employed by KTM in the PR department because if any one criticises the 350, he is the first one to tell you that the KTM 350 will easily get a holeshot over any 450 Japanese bike. Matthes will back me up on this one. Ping and famous MXer Tyler Keith tested the KTM 350 against 450's and the 350 consistently holeshoted according to Ping. I hope the IRS dont hear about this,
so what is wrong with ping liking the KTM 350? he is allowed to have an opinion right? at least he can spell " criticize" correctly.
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jamma10 8/9/2011 7:18am
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Criticize is the American spelling of Criticise.

Dont be so critical Tongue
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Jefro98 wrote:
Ping might be right. Lommel MX1 moto1: 350's 1st and 3re in the first turn. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/448/photos/50393/s780_IMG_7542.jpg?1312186400[/img] Lommel MX1 moto2: 350's holeshot a field of 450's. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/448/photos/50385/s780_IMG_3829.jpg?1312186289[/img]
Ping might be right.

Lommel MX1 moto1:
350's 1st and 3re in the first turn.




Lommel MX1 moto2:
350's holeshot a field of 450's.


Yes he is!Whistling
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Hangtown Opener last year...........

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72kiteboarder wrote:
Hangtown Opener last year........... [img]http://moto.mpora.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Alessi-holeshot.jpg[/img]
Hangtown Opener last year...........

So that is 1 holeshot out of 40 possible moto starts for the 350 in US MX competition. Pretty good batting average I would say. Whistling
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gazzar70 wrote:
David Pingree seems to be employed by KTM in the PR department because if any one criticises the 350, he is the first one to tell...
David Pingree seems to be employed by KTM in the PR department because if any one criticises the 350, he is the first one to tell you that the KTM 350 will easily get a holeshot over any 450 Japanese bike. Matthes will back me up on this one. Ping and famous MXer Tyler Keith tested the KTM 350 against 450's and the 350 consistently holeshoted according to Ping. I hope the IRS dont hear about this,
Yeah, Ping is well known for his infinite love of KTM and all things European.
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urbanlift707 8/9/2011 9:06am
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I've raced against 350's quite a bit, they have beat me to the first corner quite a bit tooSad
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gotwings 8/9/2011 9:15am
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350's are good for people with no throttle control,i.e. just on or off, because if you tried that with a 450, you'd be on your head.

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Derpin' DJ wrote:
I keep saying this. Do you really think KTM are going to risk running a bored out 350? They are trying to prove that it can...
I keep saying this. Do you really think KTM are going to risk running a bored out 350? They are trying to prove that it can be ridden faster than a 450. If people found out they were cheating because they bored it out, thats not going to help them sell bikes is it?
Cheating? There would be zero cheating to bump up the displacement a little bit in the GPs.......
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
I keep saying this. Do you really think KTM are going to risk running a bored out 350? They are trying to prove that it can...
I keep saying this. Do you really think KTM are going to risk running a bored out 350? They are trying to prove that it can be ridden faster than a 450. If people found out they were cheating because they bored it out, thats not going to help them sell bikes is it?
In SX the bore and stroke must be stock. Not so in the nationals, the bike can be bumped up a bit. And Matthes has also stated there is no way in hell that AC222 bike is a actual 350. Also on another note he said that the head of KTM(not spelling his name) pretty much has back peddled away from the 350. For Dungey and new efi 450. My thoughts are Short and Dungey both on 450's next year.
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gazzar70 wrote:
David Pingree seems to be employed by KTM in the PR department because if any one criticises the 350, he is the first one to tell...
David Pingree seems to be employed by KTM in the PR department because if any one criticises the 350, he is the first one to tell you that the KTM 350 will easily get a holeshot over any 450 Japanese bike. Matthes will back me up on this one. Ping and famous MXer Tyler Keith tested the KTM 350 against 450's and the 350 consistently holeshoted according to Ping. I hope the IRS dont hear about this,
LAME logic gazzar.
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Derpin' DJ 8/9/2011 9:51am
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I didn't literally mean cheating. I meant cheating as in giving a false idea of the bikes true potential
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Faceaz 8/9/2011 9:57am
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I haven't heard Ping about the 350, but I've heard him rip on KTM pretty good. Putting an untested piston in his 125 SX bike & siezing on the face of a jump comes to mind.

For the 350, if it gets a decent jump out of the gate, it will pull just as hard as the 450's down a straight.
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The thing that makes motocross so great, is that it is the rider, not the bike.
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
I didn't literally mean cheating. I meant cheating as in giving a false idea of the bikes true potential
Cairoli isn't on a 350...
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Maybe you need to go back and listen to them again because 90% percent of what you've quoted from those shows is wrong. Ping never said that the 350 would holeshot consistently. He said Bryce Valley (on the 350) sometimes beat Ping (on the 450) to the first turn. "It was a toss up" to quote Ping. Then to say that 90% percent of the riders would prefer the 350 is insane. Why would Alessi have switched from the 350 if he thought it was better, why is Short having such a shitty season on his 350 compared to his 450 of last year.

I think the 350s in Europe are bored out and that's why they are doing so well over there compared to here in the US. Alessi, who is known for his holeshots, only pulled 1 holeshots out of 24 starts last year.
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mccread 8/9/2011 10:09am
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the Pro Circuit 250f aren't 250fs but no one goes on about that.

The USA 450 bikes are faster than other countries due to noise regulations.

Martin Barr holeshot on his privateer 350 at Hawkstone against Desalle and co.
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
I didn't literally mean cheating. I meant cheating as in giving a false idea of the bikes true potential
Deetsmx wrote:
Cairoli isn't on a 350...
yes he is.
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rileymx 8/9/2011 10:17am
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downsizing the engine displacement has been done for a long time in motorsports, f1, wrc, motogp, etc......
in motocross there was a time where the 500 was the main class, but then the 250s got faster and the class ended.....
this year in world enduro the most probable champion of the 450 class is riding a 310 and the big bore class is lead by a 480, even ktms big bike is no longer the 525, now its a 500.......
so i guess only a few americans cant seam to understand this and still belive that the bigger the better.......but then again lots of people still belive in santa.....!!!!!!!!!!
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Deetsmx 8/9/2011 12:37pm
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
I didn't literally mean cheating. I meant cheating as in giving a false idea of the bikes true potential
Deetsmx wrote:
Cairoli isn't on a 350...
mccread wrote:
yes he is.
No, he isn't. You are going off speculation, I'm not.

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